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Posted: 12 years ago
EDIT: So this started out being a reply to Borna's question about why Aarti doesn't actually want to tell Yash, and "share" this baby with him, and ended up encapsulating my feelings on the episode so I am making it my take for the day. Enjoy!

@Borna: Hm, I will try to clarify further. It all comes down to the fact that Aarti is afraid of being completely alone. Right now she is experiencing a lot of the same feelings of rejection that she did when Prashant left her. I don't think it really makes a difference to her that she happens to be under the same roof as Yash right now. He says he can never love her, that he is Arpita's forever and she believes him, which is why she has promised herself to just be the children's mother. Prashant also told her that he could never be hers because he loved someone else and she continued to love him in spite of that; that is to say, from her perspective, the whole situation is repeating itself quite literally.

When Prashant left her, she coped by making her entire world focus exclusively around Ansh, an attitude that was ultimately the reason for this PV to happen in the first place. We noted when she first came to SH that she was as much dependent on Ansh as he was on her, because she too was lonely and intimidated and since she had married only for Ansh, she expected her attitude towards him not to change at all. She treated him as a complete equal, which made him feel able to do anything he wanted. Unfortunately, this attitude of hers is partly what caused her and Ansh to start off on the wrong foot with the Scindia family. Ansh was acting the whimsical, non-structured way he always did, the way Aarti always encouraged because I think she liked the feeling of being totally absorbed in him all the time, and the family misinterpreted that as disobedience and him being spoiled. She glossed over all the unpleasant experiences Ansh had with her words, preferring to create perfect images in his head over letting him face reality. So that is what I meant when she said that she was trying so hard to protect Ansh from rejection that she prevented the chances of acceptance as well, which is what I see her doing with this baby,

As long as she doesn't tell Yash, she can live in the imaginary world in her head, dominated by the possibility that one day they will be a happy family...the same way she did with Ansh and Prashant. The moment she tells him, he will either reject the baby, which would be awful, or accept it, which would leave her completely alone, because him accepting the baby would not mean him accepting her. So what I am trying to say is that she has no problem sharing the baby with Yash, as long as it means to him what it does to her.

I don't know if I am just repeating myself...but maybe it will be clearer if I say that this whole thought process started when I was wondering why Yash's complete acceptance and embrace of Ansh, and the fact that "uss raat" didn't affect his equation with Ansh at all, wasn't a point of association at all for Aarti. This led me to believe that she doesn't doubt Yash is going to accept this baby deep down; it is much more complex than that. Today I was struck when described Ansh as "papa's favourite." She knows, and feels keenly, that Ansh is no longer hers alone. If Yash rejects her, Ansh is no longer a source of consolation for that, if you know what I mean? The only reason Aarti got over Prashant in the end was because he rejected Ansh, which made him a bad person overall. His rejection of her could be ascribed to his moral depravity. But Yash didn't reject Ansh at all, only her. So in her mind him accepting the baby would cement the feeling of rejection. It would make Yash a good person...who has just very specifically rejected her. As long as she doesn't dissociate that night from the baby, she can tell herself that it was a moment when Yash accepted her completely, and live off of that sliver of contentment.

The moment she tells Yash about the baby and he accepts the baby but not her (as I am pretty sure she suspects he will), the rejection of her specifically is highlighted and underlined. That is why I think she is trying to keep the baby to herself as long as possible. She is terribly lonely and this baby is the only thing she has that is completely hers, the only thing that reminds her of that moment of acceptance from Yash, without reminding her of his rejection. I actually think she would be able to cope if Yash rejected the baby and her; in fact, she seems to take that outcome for granted. She would rise up like a phoenix and fight the world for her baby. But if Yash accepts the baby and not her, what is there to fight, except her loneliness? She would be trapped with a man whom she could not fault (because he did everything he was supposed to, and promised to do) and yet one who made her extremely unhappy by being unable to return her love, and essentially rejecting her and her love everyday.

That is why I think Aarti wants to prolong the moment when it is just her and the baby, when she can interpret random, abstract statements by Yash and feel happy with her hopes for the future. I don't think she is afraid of his violence anymore because she told him she loved him while trapped in a locked bathroom. If that isn't fearless, I don't know what is! Once she tells him, I think she is scared to face the finality of his decision.

And I guess that ended up being my take on the episode, though I think I will write another post about the family game scene over the weekend.
Edited by Samanalyse - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
@Zetter: I agree with you...I"m so glad Aarti in no way feels threatened by Arpita memories...instead she has accepted Aarpita as part of her new little family 😳
I have no issue with Aayu having some kinda connection with Arpita
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: swaggerchick16


Yea and wen my mummy come outside for my tail u will take the slaps right!!!😆😊

naa you take the slaps 😳
my mommy loves PV hehe
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Posted: 12 years ago
The Mahaepisode was bit of a disappointment for me- but at least they didn't give us a 5 minute song sequence for the santaan puja! So yay for little mercies!

Starting with Paridhi. I think she is in shock. The whole track with the producer was leading up to some such set of events. What I had liked about the Paridhi track was the portrayal of a girl who had been raised to follow her heart and who knew how to navigate the outside world independently, stuck in a family that holds very backward views about women's rights (outside the definitions of wife and mother). I believe that Paridhi's disgust is with herself for finding solace in another man's arms. I doubt they slept together- that would just be very cheesy and I expect more from this show. This track has been developed so little over time that it's hard for me to delve into it much deeper.

As for Aarya. I have fought hard for Aarti's rights and strength of character on this forum but everything about today's episode undermined her character for me. Let's start from the beginning:

1. The teddy bear game: I might be in the minority for having absolutely hated the whole teddy bear family game episode. The first thing that struck me about this was the fact that Aarti manipulated her children's innocence to get something out of Yash. It reminded me of the Mumbai track (one of the most grating things was the arm wrestling episode in Mumbai and in that case too she used the children to flirt with Yash).

2. The Ayu-Arpita monologue: Aarti is totally trying to fabricate reasons why this baby cannot be aborted. The arguments are losing a lot of credibility but this one has to be the weirdest one ever. I understand Aarti is this large hearted person but honestly she is not god. Hindu mythology depicts even gods as being flawed and here is Aarti who is so large hearted she is willing to give the child that represents her love with Yash the name that Arpita and Yash had chosen for their son. Even if I can look past the ickiness of that situation, there's a difference between not wanting to take AKJ and not wanting to do anything for yourself. By her own admission, Aarti wants this child to be born because it is the symbol of hope for her future with Yash. If that is truly the case- then why wrap the baby in the shroud of Arpita's desire for a boy if it is not to manipulate Yash's weakness for all things related to Arpita and thereby get him to accept this baby? I see no other reason for this monologue and this association and by extension, it completely nullifies Aarti's portrayal as a selfless giver.

3. The silent confrontation: Aarti's silence in the last scene is completely inexcusable. All through the episode, I was shaking my head in disbelief at the thickness of Yash's skull and his inability to put the string of clues together and get to the most logical and apparent conclusion that he knocked her up. But finally, the fourth coin in her pallu triggers the right switch in his brain and he takes her aside for a confrontation. He could not have been more direct. If she does not share the pregnancy with him now, I can only draw the conclusion that she does not want him to know. Which of course makes me wonder-- why not? To me the answer lies in what she told him in the bathroom scene yesterday.

When Aarti confesses her love for Yash before he goes into that boxing ring, she admits to having fallen for him but also states that she has no expectations of him. All she ever wanted was to see him happy and she would so selflessly be happy in that knowledge. Cut to a few days later and now she admits to being in love with him BUT she now says she would forever be searching his face for some sign that he could love her too.

We (maybe I?) have constantly harped on Yash's actions and words not being in sync. Well- Ms.Aarti is not exactly the personification of consistency either. Is the baby the cause of the change in expectations? Partly. I think her history with Prashant has made her have the need to be loved by the man who is the father of her child. This is a normal expectation of any woman and it is sad that for Aarti- with both men who have gotten her pregnant, neither was in love with her when that happened. That is indeed tragic. But Aarti has unconsciously tied Yash's acceptance of the baby to Yash's acknowledgement of his love for her. I think the more he reiterates that he is not in love with her, the less she wants to tell him about the baby- because what she really wants to hear is not that he will accept the baby but that he will love her. That's why she's never going to find the right time or the right circumstance. And in the process, she is showing neither concern for the baby or her other children. Again this is a keenly selfish Aarti who is unable to look past her own needs and deep desires but has it cloaked under the guise of a mother who cares deeply for her unborn child. If that was truly the case- she wouldn't care to be the recipient of Yash's wrath.

So in today's episode, the carefully built up character of Aarti as the mother who put her children above all else, who loves them unconditionally and as a woman who is large hearted and selfless all came tumbling down for me. Maybe it was a house of cards- and she is flawed in her attempts to be all of that- she aspires to goals that are beyond her reach and she is unable to see her misgivings for what they are!
Edited by doratalk - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
@anonee: And Gayatri and SP would welcome her with open arms here, so I will argue that my pattern observation still stands. The issue comes down to the father. There she probably told Prashant that she was pregnant before she told Shobha and Dubey. She told him because she expected him to be happy (I assume); she was a lot more trusting of life then. And because the news was out, she was able to get Shobha and Dubey's support. Here what I am unable to understand is that she is scared of Yash, but insists that he has to be the first to know. You say she is not getting support, but how is she supposed to when she doesn't tell anyone without telling Yash first? And no matter what, I can't find it in me to fault Yash for saying those things about that night. He is being honest, and maybe overcompensating in that department because Aarti is refusing to come forth with what is bothering her. Your point about her being scared of him wanting the abortion is very valid, but this is no ambiguous situation. There is a chance she can save the baby if she tells Yash, no chance if she doesn't and less chance, the longer she takes to tell him. So what is the justification for the fact that she has all the time in the world to orchestrate an extraction of the baby's name from Yash's mouth but not a moment to hand him the file and walk out, when each moment is costing her and the baby a greater risk?

@Dora: BIG HUG, PAL!!! We are so on the same page today and if you read my take on the previous page, you will see how much I agree with your assessment because I wrote the same thing almost word for word about why Aarti hesitates to tell Yash about the baby. But more than an undermining of Aarti's character, I think they are deepening it considerably. She is not a martyr, or a saint, or a tragic heroine (though she has seen her share of tragedy). She is a woman, with her own desires and given that they were suppressed for so long, they have come back in a giant tsunami over her senses. For me this fall for Aarti was imminent because she was denying and hiding too much under that facade of eternal cheer and unending grace. She is a passionate woman who was trying too hard to fit herself into a very uni-dimensional mould, and eventually she had to burst out. That is how I see this, but obviously Aarti doesn't. She is still trying to validate her increasingly confusing feelings as something noble and selfless. The moment she realises she doesn't have to do this is when she will really be free from pain. I fervently wish for that moment to come; nobody deserves it more than her!
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Posted: 12 years ago
@Binde: Thank you Sweetie! 😊


@Samana: Excellent take Love! 👏👏...Yeah until she doesn't tell Yash, she is still in control and I understand that the possibility of Yash rejected the baby is there and it would be awful if he did that

But Aarti should be thinking about her & her unborn child's lives and just muster up the courage and tell Yash abt the pregnancy...I think that Shobha is the one that gonna tell Yash abt the baby and maybe the complications they are both facing.

I Guess we'll have to wait till next week and if it's true that Yash is celebration his bday in grander than I think he'll find out during the festivies or at the end of the epy Aarti collapses and then the following day Yash is hit w/ the terrible news abt her condition 😔😭
Edited by Zetter - 12 years ago
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@Samana: Yes I just read your take (or non-take!) and realized we have said almost the exact same things! I do hope you are right in that this will end with Aarti realizing that she doesn't have to be the biggest giver and the most tragic of martyrs about everything in her life. That she can make demands and expect to have people meet those demands. Your thoughts on Ansh and the parallels to how she protected Ansh and this baby were awesome!

Also, you have a very interesting idea in that Aarti doesn't want him to accept the baby (and she knows he will) because then she just has herself to fight for. I think that is especially compelling because that is very true to the Aarti character. Just like Yash has a huge inferiority complex, so does Aarti when it comes to herself and her right to demand love and her love-ability as a woman. She has tried to fight this battle before and she has lost (with Prashant). In that case, the only thing that kept her going was Ansh and his complete dependence on her. With this baby, she knows she doesn't have to fight the world to keep this child. From her vantage point, she has to find the strength to pick herself up for just herself. And that's not reason enough for her. Isn't that so sad?

PS: Another reason why I love DC is that I start of writing about how mad I am at a character and then as I go through the discussions, I suddenly feel sorry for the same character!
Edited by doratalk - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: KamliKudi

naa you take the slaps 😳
my mommy loves PV hehe


well just cuz I look at pv my mommy thinks tht I am in love with Yash and I hav no idea wht I do or say to make her think tht I am in love with him to b honest I love Bua more than him😆😛
my mommy loves PR and HD🤢
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Posted: 12 years ago
@Dora: Aha! You took all my jumbled thoughts and made sense out of them; I am impressed. That is exactly what I was getting at. If Yash accepts this baby, all Aarti has to fight for is herself, and to her eyes, that is just not enough to keep her going. It reminded me of the fact that even when she was pleading with Prahsant, she always made it sound like he should accept her for Ansh's sake, for his parents' sake. I guess it all comes down to his accusation of her being selfish which has stayed with her from that day; it affected her so adversely that she is unable to think about her desires as anything but selfish! And I feel like that may be how she sees this pregnancy too; wouldn't it make her selfish if she were to sacrifice her baby's life to save her own?

I completely agree about the DC. I started off being furious at Aarti and now I just feel like hugging her...or you know, telling Yash to hug her.
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Anyone ever noticed tht anything we predict out of joke and fun it actually comes true😆 cuz take the ArYa con for example a few random ppl just came up with the idea tht ArYa conned in Mumbai and some ppl laughed at the idea while some ppl were doubtful of it happening. Now the PraDhi track where Pari "cheated" on Pratik everyone said tht Paridhi mite b having an affair with the producer cuz she hardly ever used to b in SM and look tht is wht really happened although I refuse to believe tht she slept with the producer but instead they must've had a few drinks and she poured out her frustration to the producer guy abt her and Pratik's relationship and then she probably slept away on the sofa but the producer must've lifted her up and placed her on the bed and maybe he was abt to move away frm her but she held his hand thinking tht he was Pratik and he probably couldn't get out of her grip without waking her up so he must've slept next to her throughout the night cuz I don't think tht Pari will do sumthing lyk tht and even of she must've thought tht the producer was Pratik as she was not in her senses😔

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