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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Heart

People can be misled, so you always can not rely on the people to be rational. There are certain situations where a quick decision needs to be taken regarding the censorship of the material, since it can lead to things like public violence.. in that case you can not sit around and wait for public opinion. This is exactly where censorship is needed.
I am not talking about the whole government curbing your freedom of speech deal, but decisions of certain important situations can not be left solely on public.


And Government can't mislead to fulfill their own agenda? I would like to quote Benjamin Franklin,

Originally posted by: Benjamin Franklin

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.


Once you give them the power, there is no guarantee it won't be abused. So, I still believe that it is not a good idea. And what good a little censorship will do? If people are dumb enough to get violent over small matters, the nuisances will find one way or another to instigate people. You have to go at the root of the problem. Silencing people just because someone is easily offended is no solution.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Freethinker112


And Government can't mislead to fulfill their own agenda? I would like to quote Benjamin Franklin,


Once you give them the power, there is no guarantee it won't be abused. So, I still believe that it is not a good idea. And what good a little censorship will do? If people are dumb enough to get violent over small matters, the nuisances will find one way or another to instigate people. You have to go at the root of the problem. Silencing people just because someone is easily offended is no solution.


It depends on your definition of temporary safety. Issues like Terrorist attacks and religious issues are much more than just temporary safety, it is a matter of national security and such things need to be monitored. Websites not being monitored and blocked is an open invitation for various activities which can harm the population.
Censorship in issues, where the safety of population is put into question, is quiet necessary. But, it should be confined to that and that only. Blocking websites which support a certain person against corruption is not the type of censorship I am talking about. I am talking about censorship of a certain inflammatory comments which creates riots in a certain state, forcing thousands of people to leave their homes.. that is not to be taken lightly.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Heart

It depends on your definition of temporary safety. Issues like Terrorist attacks and religious issues are much more than just temporary safety, it is a matter of national security and such things need to be monitored. Websites not being monitored and blocked is an open invitation for various activities which can harm the population.
Censorship in issues, where the safety of population is put into question, is quiet necessary. But, it should be confined to that and that only. Blocking websites which support a certain person against corruption is not the type of censorship I am talking about. I am talking about censorship of a certain inflammatory comments which creates riots in a certain state, forcing thousands of people to leave their homes.. that is not to be taken lightly.


The real issue is not the content but the sentiment. They were able to manipulate the hate that was already there. Do you think without hate, people would start killing on rumors? And Government could have started its own broadcast telling that those were rumors, instead of censorship. Because when you once give power of censor, they are not gonna report to people about the things they have censored. Terrorists will find some way of sending the message. So, people need to be in harmony with other religions and they need to verify things before spreading the rumor. I have seen it happen many times on FB and SMS. People forwarding things blindly, which I found to be false after checking. And then people will blame technology instead of themselves.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Most people do not stop to verify what they hear or read but act instantly on it. If there are people who are already waiting to take advantage of such situations then it can get very bad within no time. If everyone was mature enough to think for themselves there would be no need to censor anything but the reality is far from it hence some censorship is necessary to prevent widespread violence .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Heart


When there is blood and death involved, I think content is pretty important too.


Again, content is provoking the fire that already is there. You have to treat the illness, not the symptoms. And who decides what content is offensive? Some people will find anything offensive.


Originally posted by: Heart


There are a few existing religious issues, I agree. But situation could have been better handled.
Government did. But it was too late. It had already resulted riots in parts of India.


Because of people ready to kill, they just need a reason. And are you saying that Governemnt went on the social media site and was ready to censor but could not post its own message when it already was on the site?


Originally posted by: Heart

Just because the robber can climb in through the window does not mean you need to leave the door open.


So, what is your suggestion, we stop building doors and windows because robbers can come?


Originally posted by: Heart

Or monitoring and if needed, censoring the required websites for those people who do not know how to verify things and prevent tragedy.


Again, who would monitor what the Government is monitoring and removing. As I said, it can be easily misused. And this can take place anywhere. Someone offends people in mall, would they start killing? If so, what is your solution, we stop the contacts between people?


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: zorrro

Most people do not stop to verify what they hear or read but act instantly on it. If there are people who are already waiting to take advantage of such situations then it can get very bad within no time. If everyone was mature enough to think for themselves there would be no need to censor anything but the reality is far from it hence some censorship is necessary to prevent widespread violence .


So people are stupid, so it is a fault of technology? Someone can shout something in street, spread banners or anything. If people are not mature enough, they are to be blamed.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Freethinker112


So people are stupid, so it is a fault of technology? Someone can shout something in street, spread banners or anything. If people are not mature enough, they are to be blamed.

Who is blaming technology? Censorship is directed at the people not technology. By limiting the spread of inciting materials the govt tries to limit the possible damage. i agree that it is just a temporary solution. Its obvious that the govt feels inadequate to address people's stupidity. It is resorting to next feasible option. At best it can buy some time to take more concrete steps but that is rarely taken.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Not only the websites the govt had to put a cap on the number of sms that people used to send. They first fixed it to 5 per day but later permitted up to 20 per day. There are schemes that allow free sms and people end up sending hundreds of them at a time. Besides this the sim card can be easily bought by miscreants bypassing the usual protocol that needs proper identification and proof of address. This is something that the govt needs to rectify urgently. The genuine buyers face a lot of harrasment in producing all the necessary documents whereas I have seen some people possess a number of unauthorised sim cards which get distributed to anyone they wish to. Sometimes people even pass on their sim cards thet they wouldnt be using any longer with complete disregard to the potential misuse that it can be put to.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: zorrro

Not only the websites the govt had to put a cap on the number of sms that people used to send. They first fixed it to 5 per day but later permitted up to 20 per day. There are schemes that allow free sms and people end up sending hundreds of them at a time. Besides this the sim card can be easily bought by miscreants bypassing the usual protocol that needs proper identification and proof of address. This is something that the govt needs to rectify urgently. The genuine buyers face a lot of harrasment in producing all the necessary documents whereas I have seen some people possess a number of unauthorised sim cards which get distributed to anyone they wish to. Sometimes people even pass on their sim cards thet they wouldnt be using any longer with complete disregard to the potential misuse that it can be put to.


I completely agree with you! Hope govt is doing something about it.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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What I am saying is that not a person can decide what is offensive and what is not. Take real life example. If someone offended a religion or a person, what would happen? That person will get beaten up or whatever, but the point is that HE will face the consequences. But someone posted something on internet, instead of finding and punishing him people started killing each other? The people who were killed had no hand in the rumors or websites. This shows that there is something wrong with the people. If someone posts something stupid, find and punish him as you would do in real life.

And again, when you give the power to Government to censor who will monitor what they censor? They can easily misuse the power. So, instead of being ready to kill innocent people for some crap somebody dared to post because of the anonymity that internet offers, people should be focusing on being sensible.

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