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Posted: 19 years ago
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Hey debaters,😛

A while ago when I was in my R.E(religious education) lesson in school, we were talking about life and death and well a thought just popped into my head..and i thought i'd ask you guys this question too..

If you had a choice, would you rather see one of your close family members e.g your sister be in hospital and be suffering each and every moment in immense pain over something there may not be a cure ofor see them go to heaven where they're free of pain and their soul will rest in peace?

when i asked this question to one of my school friends..the answer she gave would have been exactly the same as mine..we both were in a dilemma. We would hate to see them in pain each and every second but then again there's always that fear that we'll never be able to see them again😭yes, you could call us both selfish but after learning to live soo many years with them its soo difficult to just say..life goes on..😕and on the other hand if its in the betterment for them then its good to just let them go and be free of all pain..(while saying this am remembering a certain scene of KSBKBT :p😆)

So what would you chose?

Pain or Death?

Tina xx

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Krishana Tulsi thumbnail
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Posted: 19 years ago
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i know its hard but death is always better than seeing ur loved ones in pain n not just them in pain but like ur parents would find it very difficult to see their chid in so much pain and no cure for it...it is always better to die than go through soo mcuh pain n suffering...even at the cost of not seeing them again.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: abhijit shukla

The answers is: give them as much pain medicine as they need...sky is the limit. Sometimes that much narcotics put one in coma and stops breathing. If that happens, so be it! You know your loved one did not die in pain. However a lethal dose of any drug should not be given with an intention to kill.
During 'Katrina' a doctor and two nurses did that to patients for whot they had no hopes...they are all now criminally charged and will never practice again. They did not do so in melice but still broke the law and technically committed murder.
People do not fear death as much as they fear the discomort leading upto it. 'Relieve the discomfort and let nature take its course' is the answer.

P.S. I have given huge doses of narcotics/sedatives to dozens of cancer patients to comfort them...many of them have died in coma. I have done this in accordance with AMA accepted ethical guidelines so have no sense of guilt about it!

Abhijeet, what you are talking is in legal terms. I think what the debater here wants to know what we personally feel about this issue. As a professional, it might not be prudent for you to comment or might be unprofessional, but as a layman, this issue has been debated long and hard and both sides have logical arguments.

Frankly, God forbid, if I ever am in a position where my child is struggling to stay alive in pain and delirium with no cure in sight...what would I do?? I probably wouldn't have the strength to watch. Because as a human being, hope never dies. I would keep hoping till the very last moment that some miracle will happen, maybe he will be one of those cases where there is inexplicable recovery.....something. But hope will never die. So I will never ever agree to it.

But then there are so many who are more practical, and think practically. Their pain is no less, but they simply cannot take it anymore. At that time they think that's the best option.

But if it comes to me,then I would definitely like to have the choice. if I am a vegetable, or if I have an ailment that is draining my family emotionally and financially, and there is no cure, then I would like to choose the easier way out. Unfortunately law does not give me the option, and that is not fair.

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Posted: 19 years ago
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It's a very sensitive issue. I work with Cancer patients and I have seen many of my patients and their families in a constant limbo. Family of patients who are incapable of making decisions, go through a tough struggle. You can think rationally while you are in perfect health, but when you get in a situation where you need to make a decision, it becomes confusing.
Pain management is tricky as well. If the patient is alert, it becomes easy, but if a patient is in coma, we are only dependent on vital signs. No one knows if the patient who is confused or not alert is getting enough pain medication.
To answer your question, ofcourse the sensible choice is
to see your love ones without suffering, but like Minnie said..there is this hope inside ,"he/she might live or some miracle will happen." But then should we allow ouselves to surround in illusion..NO.
Sometimes I think it's easier to give advice when you are not experiencing impending loss. If you know the one in ill position has no cure and is only alive on ventilator or on any other machine, just allow comfort or hospice care and let them go. Prolong life in this case just means more suffering and more surgeries.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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im posting again after reading ur views...n my mum is a cancer patient and it is very difficult not just for me but everyone ...to see her suffer so much ...sometimes in pain for days at a time, not being able to eat properly, hair falling out,having bruises on her back ...etc...n it is definatly hard seeing her that way..but there is hope that she will be ok n well soon ...n my mum is a lucky one but there are many ppl whom are on the last stage of cancer and therefore suffer much much more...n if there is no hope i would say that death is better than having to suffer soo much ...for ppl who are like diabetic n on their last days they get sugar lumps in ther eyes n they need to be sown up ...i would reather die than face such grusum things...even tho it would be difficlt on the rest of the family...eitherway its a no win situation!
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: Krishana Tulsi

im posting again after reading ur views...n my mum is a cancer patient and it is very difficult not just for me but everyone ...to see her suffer so much ...sometimes in pain for days at a time, not being able to eat properly, hair falling out,having bruises on her back ...etc...n it is definatly hard seeing her that way..but there is hope that she will be ok n well soon ...n my mum is a lucky one but there are many ppl whom are on the last stage of cancer and therefore suffer much much more...n if there is no hope i would say that death is better than having to suffer soo much ...for ppl who are like diabetic n on their last days they get sugar lumps in ther eyes n they need to be sown up ...i would reather die than face such grusum things...even tho it would be difficlt on the rest of the family...eitherway its a no win situation!

I am sorry that you are going through such rough time. I can't imagine seeing my mother in pain. How come she is always in pain? Are they not medicating her properly? THe worst thing with cancer is the pain for the patient. Ofcourse family and the person suffering go through emotional issues as well, but pain needs to be taken care of.

Have faith in GOD and he will help you and your mother in this tough situation.

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Very difficult topic..coz sitting here, we can type sensibly, but when we face the issue in our lives, we have no idea wat to do..well I dunno really..maybe if there is absolutely no hope and the person is undergoing immense pain, for no use..maybe I'll let go...lots of maybe's. But isnt it difficult to live with the fact that u decided somebody's life and death, if that person is not in a position to make clear his views? THat maybe u r wrong? Well, I hope I never have to make such a decision..
KT, just always pray to god...God bless you..
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Posted: 19 years ago
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i think like in terry shiavo(dunno how to spell her last name) its better to let them go. i mean it...why put them through all the pain. its hard, but its better like that.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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sorry about ur mom krishna tulsi.
personally i would choose to end thier suffering. i mean if i were in that position i wouldn't want to be alive myself.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Is this worth debating or too sensitive for DM?

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