Reservations in colleges

First Previous

Page

Frequent Posters

373577

Suspended

Posted: 13 years ago

#11

The Quota system cannot be blamed for bad English 🤓

Quote

seoulbeats

@seoulbeats

Inactive

+ 4

Posted: 13 years ago

#12

The Quota system cannot be blamed for snotty attitude.

Quote

Looks like you are new here. Register for free, learn and contribute.

Khushi Ghai

@Khushi.

Rocker

+ 2

Posted: 13 years ago

#13

I wrote something about reservations in the SMJ forum 2 weeks back. I would like to copy-paste it here. It also holds within my solution of caste equality which is tried to be forcibly brought about by the Govt. of India through a stupid practice of Reservations.

This was the topic- https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/satyamev-jayate/3082717/the-myth-of-reverse-discrimination

"I just have one single question , I agree with ALL your points and each and every word you said. Yes! The so called "low caste" people have suffered due to this stupid caste hierarchy in our society and i seriously feel to kick those who divided this world into castes and classes but as a human being and not as an upper caste i have this question that how would an 18 year old intelligent and able kid who is from a lower middle class family but of Brahmin caste feel when her Parents who have sold their chains and gold to get her books and she has studied in a not-so- hi fi school without any tutions when despite of getting a 98% in boards would NOT get admission in any good college and on the other hand an so called "low caste" kid with a 90% would get admission in the same college??!! We cant expect her to feel good about it..can we? She might have had the same resources as that upper caste Brahmin girl. Cant the upper caste people be poor?They can. I have seen soo many..soo many upper caste people who live in very small houses..have very little resources and have almost no income but somehow educate their kids- Like lower caste people do and still they face thsi situation. Yes! They dont undergo the humiliation and that devasting mental torture buthow is that even related to education? You just mentioned how even educated low caste profeSsors have to still hear about their caste? You saw how that IAS resigned from his post because he was facing discrimination!! Did education help him there?? It didnt! I am against teh reservation system..And i say this loudly! The government has itself created this discrimination. They are the people who are ruinign this situation and are just widening the line between low catse and upper caste , widenign the line between Indian humans! The govt. itself makes these OBC ,SC and ST certificates. In the admission list we have two coloumns GEN and OBC/SC,ST. In the cut offs we have the lists which come out in two different coloumns General and OBC,SC/ST..What's this doing? Is it helping teh low caste to get free from the mental torture?Yes , it is providing them with education and a chance to go ahead in life but is the MAIN motive being solved? It is NOT.

I feel that reservations should be there but not on the basis of caste but on the basis of income condition. There must be a reservation for poor kids (low and upper caste poor kids)right from KG1 in all schools and the govt. should pay for the education.When teh kids grow together , they will naturally learn how to respect each other and the whole caste thing should be abolished. The coutry prides itself and says that the old time "caste hierarchy" has now disappeared , if it has then whats this SC ,ST AND OBC tags??? and people favour these??Ha! If this system of reservation on basis of caste continues then nothing will happen , No change will take place! The low castes wills till suffer the torture. You just mentioned about the IAS exam. A general category candidate is allowed 4 chances , the medical requirements are tougher for them and the age limit is 30. For OBC its 7 chances , lesser medical requirements and age limit of 33 and for SC,ST its Unlimited chances , even lesser medical requirements and age limit is 35!! A normal Indian gives the IAS exam only after completing the graduation in college where there is reservation on caste basis.Now the so called low caste people get their right and get educated in good colleges,very good colleges through reservations.. right? Now all the candidates graduate and this includes both upper and lower caste , then this reservation in the IAS exam aswell?? Now they've received the same education then WHY not place the same requirements for all Indian citizens? WHY treat them as special and just widen this mental difference line? Duh! I seriously feel that reservations , if not at the KG level happens like i just said then it should happen at the college level but NOT on teh basis of caste but on the basis of income.

And you also talked about how people of teh upper caste often point their fingers at teh capability of teh low caste and reason out teh success to be due to reservation then let me give you an example of my life itself- I have a friend. She belongs to a rich household , a house richer then mine. She has bigger car , a bigger house and better clothes AND She is a OBC and i didnt know this until i went through the admission list , Now how did i get to see this OBC tag ? Because she took admission in the OBC qouta! Why> was she deprived? didnt she have resources? didnt she have money to get better tutions and study? She did!! but she used this qouta and MANY people like her use it too and they are termed as the creamy low caste layer.You expect me to like her now? Sorry i dont! This is why i say that this whole system just widens the line of humanity between individuals of India."

Quote

Nikitha

@niki_09

Inactive

Posted: 13 years ago

#14

I feel collge reservations are very unfair ..i have struggled a lot ..so im telling by personal experience ...If the govt want to help the poor ..they can give them fee concessions ..but keeping a seat reserved is just not fair ...I've seen students with a higher rank than mine with reservations getting a seat in the college that i wanted to go to ..It just breaks my heart ..

At that time i just asked myself is it a crime that i was born in a upper caste family??

I dont support reservations ...Fee concession is a better and a fair solution

Edited by niki_09 - 13 years ago

Quote

indfor_win

@indfor_win

Beginner

Posted: 13 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: niki_09
I feel collge reservations are very unfair ..i have struggled a lot ..so im telling by personal experience ...If the govt want to help the poor ..they can give them fee concessions ..but keeping a seat reserved is just not fair ...I've seen students with a higher rank than mine with reservations getting a seat in the college that i wanted to go to ..It just breaks my heart ..
At that time i just asked myself is it a crime that i was born in a upper caste family??
I dont support reservations ...Fee concession is a better and a fair solution

Well i'm here to give different view on this topic.

Most of ppl think tht reservation ws given becoz st/sc/obc are financially weak,they were socially discreminated or may be becoz of political party's interest.Well these may be some of the reasons, but main reasons were "Equal representation"...we live in a democratic country where everyone has equal say.

I'm amazed tht ppl never were or never will be against management quota,donation quota etc.No one bothered to utter a word whn IIT's were giving admission under secret quota frm last 25 yrs...!!..and offcourse no need to say who wre benefitted.There are many similar examples in medical line also...

Many ppl say they din't get better oppotunity becoz of reservation...it seems they are lookng at problem frm one angle only and also reflects tht ancient mentality still exist.They shud rather ask Govt for more colleges, school and more job opportunities.When demand is more than supply fight will always be thr.There is no point in opposing reservation.

Those who say tth ST/SC/OBC candidates shud be given fee concession,book facility etc...do u guys know how much money are we talking abt??...Don't go on Govt figures tht only 50% ppl belong to these community...u'll be shocked by real figures.

I can understand the feeling whn some deserving candidate don't get a chance ... now think of ST/SC/OBC who have suffered this pain for Thousand of years...and not just in job field or in education, in every aspect of life.

Those who thinks tht time has changed now...ppl don't discriminate or bla blah...i wud suggest thm to visit any ST/SC/OBC's house(without discriminating) and ask thm if it's true.Nw's leave it if you don't have time ,simply watch Satyemev Jayete Episode on Discrimination.

PS:: Though I've tried my Best to supress my feeling but I'm srry if in case i've used some wrong word.

Quote

LOST SOUL

@chimuli

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#16

Well I absolutely agree with you and moreover I think reservations should not be on the basis of caste lise SC/ST/OBC but infact some outher criteria like

1-your parents income

2-the kind of school u studied(Goverment/Private)

3-Area(where you live is that area remote or equipped)

I am saying this because a student who studied with me in the same school,went in the same coaching but gets a very very good college just because he belong to SC category.If that student can really afford those hefty tuition fee then theres no justification for him getting quota benefit.

Edited by chimuli - 13 years ago

Quote

LOST SOUL

@chimuli

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#17

Let me tell you my example,I went into counselling for the medical college recently and I saw many students getting ranks like 1500 (37,000 students gave the exam) and not getting any MBBS college whereas a SC student with rank like 15,000 bags a MBBS college.

Moreover its reality that most of these students fail for like 2-3 times per semester,and so recently Govt has passed order stating that a person enrolled in a medical college has to complete his/her degree within 9 years(course is of 4 yr 6 month+1 yr of internship).

Quote

Nikitha

@niki_09

Inactive

Posted: 13 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: chimuli
Let me tell you my example,I went into counselling for the medical college recently and I saw many students getting ranks like 1500 (37,000 students gave the exam) and not getting any MBBS college whereas a SC student with rank like 15,000 bags a MBBS college.

Moreover its reality that most of these students fail for like 2-3 times per semester,and so recently Govt has passed order stating that a person enrolled in a medical college has to complete his/her degree within 9 years(course is of 4 yr 6 month+1 yr of internship).

yess ..thats what im talking about ..i sucks ..when things like that happen ..and from any angle thats not fair ...

Quote

Freethinker112

@Freethinker112

Sparkler

Posted: 13 years ago

#19

Well, reservation was there to help poor people which were out of resources. But it's implementation is not good in today's time.

First of all, even if you offer reservations, offer it based not on caste but on economic condition. E.g., reservation for a student whose household income is less that Rs. 1,00,000 p.a. Current system is stupid because they assume everybody of a certain caste are poor and everybody of certain caste are rich. While there are exceptions in both sides. So, that;s a faulty assumption and I have seen many kids with good earning families take benefit of reservation.

Second, they are giving seats to less fortune people assuming that if they had been given better facilities, they would have performed better and scored enough to secure the seat. That is another faulty assumption. You cannot project his performance in other conditions. It is possible that the student wouldn't have been able to score the marks even if he had all facilities.

Government should help the students before entrance examination. Give them all help they need, better teaching and everything else they need. Then the exam will be equal for everybody and we would see the real performance of everybody.