Spice Girls Hangout:Paving the way for RTR!

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I loved the drama today although ASR is officially in the doghouse tonight digging a deeper hole for his RTR and Anjali needs to see a shrink, pronto.

A little more clarification on Anjali's state of mind. Under normal circumstances I have no sympathy for those who do not help themselves but Anjali seems to be gravely ill. A psychiatric visit is way overdue, she needs help... Was she more concerned that people hate Shyam? Or was it because the child will be all alone? Or was she more concerned with the stigma attached to the baby coz the father is a psychopath? But she didn't seem to believe he is a psychopath coz she wants him back. I concluded she just needs her fantasy back.

A dramatic turn of events; from a flirty ASR who wanted to see her smile and said "Khushi, tumhe mere saath aage badhna seekhna hoga ..." to "You are the biggest mistake of my life, kaash mein tumse mila nahi hota..." in less than 24 hrs. A devastated Khushi looks on...

What has Arnav bitua been smoking? It didn't end there; he accuses her of being the other woman in his sister's life. The one who provoked the creep... A victim being victimized...Isn't that a typical pattern for most women in similar situations? My heart went out to her, like always she wasn't given a chance to speak or defend herself coz the Laad Governor had already presumed she was guilty of the crime of entering his Di's room and driving her over the edge. The punishment - "Agar tum na hoti, Shyaam aisi harkat kabhi nahi karta..." Did the punishment fit the crime? Bitua has dug his own grave & I do not sympathize with the pretty boy tonight!

Yes, you always take out your anger on your loved one especially your spouse. But that isn't an excuse to treat them like a punching bag, discard them when it suits you and then repent. What is seriously lacking in this relationship is trust. When there is trust, love and respect follow. He thinks he is in love and I do believe that but where is the trust and respect?


Should we blame mami for provocation? I think not. I blame ASR! The minute mami said PS is responsible; he didn't give it a second thought. He just ran with it. Why would you believe someone who addresses your wife as PS over your wife? Yes, Khushi was guilty of entering Anjali's room. Yes, this behavior is true to his character. Yes, he went through a harrowing experience with a deranged Anjali but none of it is a good enough excuse to accuse your wife of provoking a married man.

Gusse mein aapka dhimaag kaam karna bandh kartha hai

Just when she was hesitantly walking towards him, leaning on him for support, trusting him, just when he started trusting her and supporting her, he does the unthinkable. Her happiness was short-lived, just like all those other times he had let her down. This has been the pattern since day 1. But this time it is big, the accusation grave.


After a drive through the dark alleys like the one he had on the night he married her, the FB's hit him, the ILU, the hugs, protecting him from getting hurt...He remembers the time when she lay lifeless in his arms. The girl almost gave her life trying to save him, that is when reality hits him.

What have I done? I must get home...

Yes, you damn well should and on your knees too Mr LG...šŸ˜† Coz this time it isn't that easy...He will repent sincerely, he already looked like he had.


Should she just dismiss it as one of those moments? After all she knows he loves her... Should she be the Khushi we know, willing to forgive and forget, dismissing it as anger issues or should she walk away? Would you be happy if ASR goes down on his knees begging Khushi to be his Mrs or do you think we need a proper RTR? You be the judge... I am leaving you'll with a beautiful VM, a perfect walk down memory lane ...

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EfbWAJQ0Wc&feature=plcp[/YOUTUBE]


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Posted: 13 years ago
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One incident leads to major upheaval in the 3 main protagonists lives.

Anjali - Denial : Anjali wants to hold on to the past, does not want to accept the realities of the present and deal with the future. The past where everything was perfect and happy, the past where Shyam was liked by all. Her reason for abortion is that the unborn child will remind everyone of Shyam and baby will be left alone like her. Her mind is in a complete state of denial even to accept the fact that Shyam is at fault here.

She is back to clinging to Chote not Arnav (as it was last night), she begs him to make things as they were in the past, where she was perfectly happy with her husband.

Arnav- Helplessness and anger : As a brother he was so close to seeing his sister take one of the most dangerous decisions. The anger that he could not do anything, added to the helplessness he is in as she begging to turn back time, makes him go and lash out at Khushi. Act first think later has always been ASR's motto and today is no different. He does not give her much time to respond and utters the most harshest words in saying that the day he met her was the biggest mistake of his life.

The RTR has just got much much longer for him (sigh!!) and he has no clue that his mistake made Shyam enter her life.

Khushi : Heartache and Sadness
: Anjali leaned on Arnav and expressed her helplessness, Arnav yelled at Khushi and got his anger out, to whom does Khushi turn to vent out her sadness? She is equally worried about Anjali as Arnav is. My heart tugs for this girl but she has DM's blessings and will emerge stronger.

This confrontation between Arnav and Khushi was much needed. For a long time there have been many unanswered questions hanging between these two. It is high time they start having heart to heart conversations. I am glad that Arnav finally found a soul mate in Khushi to vent out his inner most thoughts, feelings that he has never shared with any family member but he needs to come a long way before Khushi considers him likewise. Arnav vented a lot out and he is answerable to each and every statement he uttered today.

The episode wonderfully conveyed the state of the 3 battered souls.
Barun, Sanaya and DB were fantasticšŸ‘



Sharthwa-ve (courtsey our Sharthing Doc)

The red hot promo has us all abuzz... what will the Mahaepisode bring? Wednesday's episode coupled with the ME promo sent to my mind conflicting signals. Sahelis, without further ado, the options:

1. Nike ne keh diya, toh keh diya, Bas: Mr Arnav Singh Raizada makes Khushi his Mrs. in the truest sense of the word. Mr Right aur Mrs Right - cue Dhinka Chika or Inn lamhon ke daman mein --- whatever fits your mood and your style ā˜ŗļø

2. Taiyari Shaadi 360 ki: He plans to give her the dream wedding that she spoke off at Preetho's shaadi. "Uske chehre par ek baar smile aa jaye " 😃

3. Team Saath-Saath - We're in this together: "Tumhein mere saath aagey badhna seekhna hoga". So she tries to leave but he stops her and they battle the world together. Along the way - Ched-Chaad, sharamana, ladna-jhagadna but under the same roof. šŸ˜‰

4. Gul's Googly: Bwahahahaha! Front front see happens bhat. Mashup of something/everything/nothing of the above! 😈


Jurmana: Actually 1-3 are all awesome, even if we lose we win. So if we get ArHi mazaa... rain dance, ched chaad, possessive ASR and any of options 1-3, all good. šŸ‘šŸ¼ . So I'm going to keep the outcomes real simple - nothing khatarnaak this time! šŸ˜†

If we all win with any of the three, we ALL celebrate for a week with ArHi DPs from the ME and siggies provided by the winning team - ode to Gul and her gang.

If we get cheated by Gul's googly (you be the judge)... angry/sad face DPs for a week and a siggie with your personal rant against the CVs.


Lagi Sharth?

The Players:

Team Nike:Astra, chini_chokri
Team Shaadi 360: Shwetz, Ash, Israt, veeps, vistaa, biraj, docgirl, Mona Darrling
Team Saath-Saath: Radss, Savs, Joey, Sci-Payal, howcome, Ippy, Maggie, Mandy, Rag1ni
Team Gul's Googly: Jamba, Vee, bobop, moksha, sahana, Payal


Edited by savvy05 - 13 years ago
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Finally we got a glimpse into Anjali's thinking. Thank you for this CVs as I was getting tired of trying to figure her out, now it couldn't be clearer what is going through her mind. Anjali being the damaged character she is refuses to come to grips with Shyam's true colors, instead she desperately wants to cling to the past. Anjali puts pressure on her brother to fix everything and for a moment like Riya, I believed she would go as far as to tell Arnav to leave Khushi. Think about it, in her desperate attempt to keep her bubble intact, its possible she pushes Khushi out since Khushi is now the well known scapegoat.


Mami is a complete disappointment, I tried to see her point of view but I'm through. Mami loves both Arnav and Anjali yet is convienently forgetting the fact he's safe today only because of Khushi. Khushi put her life on the line for her husband yet Mami is back to her taunts and putting Khushi down, how quickly she forgets despite seeing for herself what a snake Shyam is.


What a difference an episode makes, the last showed Arnav going out of his way to bring a smile to his love's face and today he is the one who ended up inflicting the most pain. Vintage ASR returned, the one who says harsh words to Khushi only to end up regretting it later. He took out his helplessness on a helpless Khushi and like the rest made her a scapegoat.


As much as I hated ASR's extremely harsh words to Khushi, I will say in his defense this is all new to him. Before Khushi, Di was his world and the only one who held the most importance now he's in love and finds himself holding Khushi to the same importance he does with Di. It cannot be easy for him to be torn between these two especially given the fact Khushi is the woman Shyam lusted after, talk about complicated! I'm glad he was shown remembering everything Khushi did for him, it was much needed after what he said and it will hold more impact when he attempts to make it up to her which will be more difficult than he thinks. Khushi is ready to walk out and I don't blame her, for someone who was already feeling guilty he only added to it and really hurt her. I hope its true that she gives him the silent treatment, he'll deserve it since he does tend to take her for granted.
Edited by .Mandy. - 13 years ago
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Hi Sari and SGs!!

Sari brilliant post as always!! Saying yet again, missed ur posts so much and so glad ur back!!!

Wrote an OS today and taking this poem-ish thingy i wrote in it to answer your question about Khushi's decision

"Pal main rajkumar pal main shaitaan yehi hai humaray Arnavji ki pehchaan..phir kyun hota hai humara dil pareshan?
Isliye kyunki woh hain humari jaan aur unsey door jana nahi hai asaan"

I really want Arnav on his knees and then maybe Khushi relenting.as much as RTR would be good idk if i can take another ArHi separation

Today we saw the ASR side of Arnav yet again..the "shaitaan" side..khushi knows that her rajkumar and shaitaan are one in the same but she just never knows when he fill take form as Arnav and when he will become ASR, and neither do we..

Sari u r absolutely right about the trust issue..that is the exact problem of their relationship and idk when it will develop..but one thing is true the split personality of Arnav(Arnav/ASR) is the essence of IPKKND and ArHi relationship..as much as Arnav's behavior made me upset for Khushi..it made me all excited for future epis especially with the promo and all!

Just he other day my friend was like i miss their fights..today i told her well there you have it ur wish came true they are fighting lol...

Coming to other things in the epi!! DB did brilliant acting today! Although idk what Anjali was trying to do with scissors..like seriously was she gonna stab her stomach or something?! She really does need help! Her whole life she has stuck with this fantasy and leaned on her husband or her Chotay but today she feels all alone she feels no one will accept her baby in the world and that maybe even her Chotay will not because of who the father is..i think that is her problem..

I loved how she asked Arnav to make everything better..that was a really touching bro-sis scene..

The end with Arnav driving and getting flashbacks of his Di and then later khushi..its the whole fight in his heart between choosing Anjali or khushi and he can never choose one over the other but then he realizes how he has hurt khushi while angry because of what his Di was doing..i am glad he realized soon enough..and the fbs were very fitting...im really looking forward to that scene tomorrow glimpses of which were in the SBS..lets see what Khushi decides!!

Ahh finally back to making long posts on the hangout and on time..hopefully i can keep this thing going lol!!
Edited by desigirl_18 - 13 years ago
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oops, he did it again. The foot in mouth syndrome strikes again and man, this time he has really stepped into it.
Will update late tonight... real life beckons...😃
EDIT:
It is absolutely interesting to me that throughout the entire breakdown that Anjali had today, not once does she ask Chotte how, why and what about Shyam. She does not question his decision, his judgement nor does she try to defend Shyam. Her only appeal to her brother is to fix everything, make it like it was before, give her her bubble back. It does not register with her what it would cost chotte to give her her illusion back. It only registers that he is the only one who could fix it. He could do anything.
The best scene today, totally heartbreaking was Anjali breakdown at the hospital and Arnie's struggle to make her understand that he is there, for her and her baby. The absolute desolution of Anjali and the helplessness of the brother who cannot find a way to get through the fog of depression that surrounds his sister. Everyone hates her husband, no one respects him. How could they respect and love her child? The idea that they would love the child because it is hers does not register. Her identity is her husband. Right now, she has no identity of her own outside of him.
And that desperation to find her happy place, a place where she belongs leads to an appeal to the brother who for once finds himself unable to meet his sister's demands.
Pata nahi yeh kiske wajah se ho raha hai. Pata nahi kiski nazar lag gayi hai is ghar ko.
The shock in Arnie's eyes, knowing who Anjali means, the extent of Anjali's need to get Shyam back and whether acknowleged or not, the knowledge that getting shyam back means booting Khushi out.
yeh kya ho gaya hai hum dono ke saath...
A frustrated Arnie just needed a trigger, conveniently provided by Maami and off he goes on Khushi.
Back at the pool, as bipolar as he is, sometimes the ode to their love and sometimes the mute spectator to the beast in him, he takes her to task for going to Anjali, for once asks why and what instead of just pronouncing the judgement, but does not have the patience to listen. And the dam breaks when she starts talking about Anjali...
tumhe pata hai ki unhe lagta hai ke yeh sab tumhari wajah se hua hai...
The lover's warning on how bad things are for Khushi within the family.
kahin na kahin hume bhi lagta hai ki yeh hamari wajah se hua hai...
And yet when he says, the brother's angst overruling the lover ...
haan, yeh sab tumhari wajah se hua hai. sab tumhari galti hai , Khushi..Kyunki agar tum nahi aati to Shyam aisa kabhi nahi karta.
And does he really believe that? Is it that hard to believe that a man who has fought falling in love with her for as long as Arnie as, as hard as he has, wouldn't find it hard to believe that it was equally hard for Shyam to do the same?? For that matter, for all that he pronounced he trusted her and didn't need proof.. does he really believe that Shyam's sins lie beyond falling for Khushi, that he was behind the kidnapping, that he was after the money? After all, this is still the man who believes in what he sees, what he hears...
Does an 'I love you' mean an happily ever after or does the real test begin after the "I love you' is said and acknowledged? For that matter, is love enough to have an happy ever after?
24 hrs ago, Arnav had pronounced, in front of Naani..
Maine meri zindagi ki sabse badi galati ki, Khushi ki baat par vishwaas na karke..
and today, ASR pronounced...
I made the biggest mistake of my life Khushi. Kaash main tumse mila hi nahi hota...
Until the twain meet, there is no happily ever after for these two.
Edited by veeps - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sari!

Reading your post reminded me, how much I missed your deep, insightful posts.

How do you do it Girl?!

Brilliant post...and it actually moved me to tears...especially seeing the pics you have put up.

Lashing out and saying hurtful, spiteful words is nothing new with Arnav...he has always been that way with Khushi...and she knows it.

Haven't we seen this before...him saying something that shatters her and she cries, then he repents...

But today, everything else became white noise..the only words that were piercing and jarring were his accusations on her that had she not come, Shyam would never have done this, his Di would be happy and this was the biggest mistake of his life and that he wished he had never met her 😭

He has called her characterless, said that its good her parents are not alive to see her this way..etc etc in the past...

But today...he laid all the blame of Shyam's heinous crimes and adultery squarely on her.


Typical ASR behavior - nothing out of character.

What was different was the absolute U turn in his words that he had uttered to Nani yesterday that it was always Shyam's fault...

He did not mean it...or did he?! I was stunned when he blamed Khushi for all this...did not see that coming.

When he yelled at her for going to Anjai's room, he was justified, as a brother who witnessed the horrifying scene of his delusional pregnant sister trying to harm herself and her baby...

But the rest of it...blaming Khushi for Shyam's waywardness and the current situation, was plain wrong.

The brother Arnav was all that I saw in those last few moments...the husband, the lover had disappeared, swallowed by his unwavering protectiveness and love for his sister.

His frustrations, his being alone in an uphill battle against his sister's mental sickness, his having to deal with all adversities time and again are all eating away at him...and this time when he exploded, the poisonous shards of his words have probably hurt the love of his life the most...



Edited by sbk2 - 13 years ago
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Heya!!

Beautiful post Sari, you've expressed the entire episode beautifully!

I think the basic theme for today was "helplessness" for these 3 central characters.

Like you Sari, I disregard people and their "whinenes" when they can't help themselves. "God helps those who help themselves" is a quote my father taught and applied in my childhood and it is something I have very well carried into adulthood.Yes, we all have families and siblings to let it out on and hold on to for support, but there is a point where we all need to look into the mirror for that point of realization. If Anjali could come to a point of "omg this baby will cause all this and these are the consequences", she very well could've pondered for a little longer and concluded that her husband was a monster who deserved nothing. But, no, she hasn't realized that because she doesn't want to.

I am a sucker for sibling bonds and all because I love my siblings and I liked the scene between Arnav and Anjali today. I see her helplessness and I see her desperation to want to hold on to the last threads of hope, and the only person who can weave those threads is her younger brother. She begs him to make it all right because he can and always does, my heart went out to him, that is something you usually tell your father because he is the superman in your life who can make it all right and that's when I realized this boy indeed grew up way beyond his years and much more than his sister. If his sister was like his mother, Arnav was the protector, the sole-earner, the father and was forced to become the man of the house.
He writes his own destiny and today he couldn't write it in a way that could keep his sister eternally happy, he failed today and he was helpless.

I am not defending his behavior with Khushi, but he was quite heartbroken and frustrated at his failure and helplessness to keep his sister happy. He almost watched his sister commit something that could lead to her death and he has always been scared of losing his close and dear ones, what happened at the hospital really traumatized him and Maami's words proved to be daggers because again, in extension he felt he was responsible for Khushi being around because the only reason she's around is because of him.

What followed was heart-breaking. He knows it himself that he has always taken her for granted and he knows it that he is the only person who can hurt her, dare anyone else hurt her. And today again he went at it and lashed out because he knew if anyone could take it, it was her. He had his back turned the whole time clearly indicating it was his frustration speaking and not his heart. He didn't have the heart to say those spiteful things to her face looking into her eyes because he does not believe in any of it.
And a lot of it was okay fine, cut the crap ASR, but the one line that really did it for me was "at least di would be happy"! W*F ASR?! I defended you when you threw Khushi out on your SR and made her sleep by the pool. I am not defending you on this line. You gravely declared that your sister and your wife were the two most important people in your life, where was that loyalty to your wife today Arnav?
Your di has ruined your khushi, your wife and your personal happiness, its high time you snap out of it and snap your di out of it because she will push your wife away.

Other notes:

The only thing missing from Anjali's emotional blackmail was "chotte tum Khushi ko chod do, sab kuch pehle ki tarah theek ho jayega". If it wasn't there today, I give it 2 weeks tops till she spits out that venom.
Arnav will become the husband and lover now and will be considered selfish because he's doing it all only for Khushi and Anjali will not be able to stand this because she needs to be the only one important in her brother's life. She will try and manipulate her brother and when that doesn't work, because he'll finally be the husband and lover, she'll tell Khushi to leave her brother and this family because she's ruined their happiness and that poor girl will oblige and walk out in Arnav's absence and ignorance because he will be unaware of this interaction.

I know everyone was really mad at Maami, but I strongly believe the day Anjali selfishly becomes the barrier between Arnav and Khushi, Maami will see it and her conscience willl not allow her to ignore it. Whatever said and done, she is righteous in her own way, she has defended Khushi and Payal when needed and she will not stand this happening and watch her nephew like son to be heartbroken like this. She will be the one who will tell Arnav that Khushi walked out because of Anjali and will help him out hence becoming the next ally on Team Khushi.


Edited by sugar_babe - 13 years ago
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A good episode. With plenty of fuel to create a fire...
A great episode to keep audience on their toes and left wondering what on earth is going on??
Brilliant ploy by the CVs to keep us all hooked.šŸ‘

Anjali Attempting to self abort. Why? because she feels she will get her life back without the baby? because she doesn't want to bring up the child alone? We got an insight into her hysterical thoughts and realised that she just wants her husband and her perfect life back.
And she wants her chotte, who fixes everything to fix this as well. But even he is unable to do so.

Mami. I am not liking her anymore. Talk about turning into a saas eh? Looks like she has forgotten all that phatti sari has gone through to get Arnavji. Never mind that, the raizada's have completely forgotten that their boy was kidnapped less than 24 hours ago...so no hope for mami.šŸ˜•

ASR - He shouldn't have shouted at poor Khushi like that, he just made his RTR longer. No worries, the longer it is the happier we are...so bring it on.😃

Wrote a take justifying ASR's behaviour on the previous hangout, just copying that here also...
The reason he says those lines is because he is helpless and feels frustrated.
His Di asked him to return her Khushi back to her. But he can't do that. Even though he can fix everything he can't fix this. This is ASR who writes others destiny and for once he can't do that.
So the outburst at khushi. He doesn't mean it.

Noticed when he was first shouting at her it was a kind of "i'm disappointed in you" kind of shout. That was for Khushi's mistake.
And then he turns away and becomes nasty. Notice he does not look at Khushi during this. That his own frustration talking.
He's not angry at khushi but at himself for not being a good brother.
And being ASR, the only way he can express is by lashing out.
Because if he didn't have khushi in his life. His Khushi. Then Di would not be dukhi.
Everything in his life, for him, is good at the moment. while Di's perfect world has fallen apart.
And he realises later on, the effect his words must have had on khushi and he regrets venting out.

VM - Youtube ruined my syncing in the middle.
but i'll post it anyway.
The life and times of Sanka Devi...

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4NmiTUQtDE[/YOUTUBE]

Edited by ipkbs - 13 years ago
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he has hurt her badly this time... the saddest part is she never expected it...she was just learning to trust being around him... he told her tat she should move fwd with him..in the morning n the same guy is accusing her of ruining his sister's n his life!!
whenever arnav hurts khushi..most of the time she is prepared..for it..atleast not shocked..
but today she was completely shocked.. just like diwali times.. when he said those hurtful words after dropping her home...
asr has to makeup to khushi big time!!!!
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Rabba Vey SG'sšŸ¤—
Great post SarišŸ¤—Loved the points you raised and most specially the gif...perfectly captured Khushi's devastation.
Made a thread after a long time and copy pasting a segment here :
Of course, the biggie is the blinkers-firmly-on-speeding-headlong-onto-incoming-traffic-while-it-pours drivel of the year : Tum na hoti toh Shyam yeh harkat na karta...
Another worthy successor to "characterless" and SR poolside banishment monstrosities...blaming the victim because so called shaatir dimag is in Di mode, and is carrying her thought forward ...Anjali said, "Humein nahin maloom kaun zimmedar hai...kiski nazar lag gaye..." and the the great ASR has no trouble jumping back to his early days when he himself viewed Khushi as a gold digger, out ot snare rich men... he completes the thought and blames a shell-shocked Khushi...
From all that I have seen of him, it is not entirely unthinkable that ASR would say such a thing to Khushi...he has done so many reprehensible things to her...each one worse than the other and today was no different. For all his Harvard education, and polish, he is horribly immature, when it comes to such situations. And then of course, there is the Vindictiveness...his Di was hurt, the cause of hurt was Khushi, ergo it must follow that Khushi be hurt...lash out at her...how dare she do this to my sister and me?
But there are signs of hope...for it did not take him long to realize his mistake...whether or not he has realized the gravity of it, is still to be seen.
About Anjali: I mentioned yesterday that she needs professional help and it make totally clear today that Arnav's first order of business should be getting her evaluated and treated. It appeared that she has totally closed her mind to Shyam's transgressions...and continues to perpetuate the delusion of a perfect husband. That is really scary...
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