Nursery rhymes and fairy tales

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Just recently, I realized a most distressing fact about nursery rhymes- that most of them are alarmingly destructive in nature. Popular rhymes like Jack&Jill, Georgy-Porgy, Humpty-Dumpty, London bridge, It's raining its pouring, an old woman living in a shoe, rock-a-by baby on a tree top are only a few poems that I'm able recollect at this moment, but I'm sure there are many more. Have you guys ever thought about it? What is the point of incorporating such poems in schools, let alone at the nursery level? This is something that's beyond me!

And then not to mention popular fairy tales like Cinderella, Hansel&Gretel, Snow white&7 dwarfs, etc that have cruel step mothers who beat up their step children. Don't you think it gives a wrong image of step mothers to the innocent minds? There could be children out there with step mothers, don't you think these stories would effect their relationship? Don't you think children have to be kept away from such stories?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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you bring up an interesting point about some of the stereotypes in the fairy tales, however, i quite don't see how some of the nursery rhymes are destructive in nature. perhaps, you can elaborate?
i've never thought about it in too much detail.. for me, they are good ways to get the children interested in reading and spark their own imagination.. yes, there are stereotypes such as the evil stepmother.. not all stepmothers are like that.. this is my personal opinion, but i don't think a step mother can take place of someone's birth mother and love the child in the same way.. i have seen, what you will, the typical stepmothers as well, who could care less about what the kid did.. but i have seen many stepmothers, who treat their step children the same as their own..
i think kids respond to love and care.. parents should in any way talk to their children about stereotypes and warn them about judging other people, based on stereotypes! the children sometimes do not have the cognitive ability to recognize right from wrong..
that being said, i personally don't see the harm in the nursery rhymes or the fairy tales, considering there are many stereotypes in some of the popular books that are intended towards the youth!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I think children are made to "sing" the rhymes because...if you notice, small kids have the habit of singing, humming to the songs.
They respond to songs more than to the words which we speak in everyday life. They love listening to songs and pay their entire attenton when a song is played.. hence, they are made to sing rhymes in schools which will introduce them into the world of "schooling" ..I think it's a pedagogical technique.
As they listen and sing the rhymes, they are introduced to words...sentences...dancing.. 😆
Coming to fairytales..I sortaa agree. But, they'll get over the wrong notion they'll have on step-moms. Every child grows up 😆 But yess, I think every child should be kept away from unrealistic stories that "generalise" or steoreotype something as bad and good which isnt real in real life. And this should be taken care of the parents. I never thought all step-mothers are evil in nature even though I used to read Cindrella over and over when I was small 🤔 ..parents play a bigger role in influencing their child's mentality than a silly fairytale.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Mother Goose Is a perv and clearly a freak remember those nursery rhymes you used to recite take a second look at the subliminal messages outlined below

Ding, dong, bell,
Pussy's in the well!
Who put her in?
Little Tommy Green.
Who pulled her out?
Big Johnny Stout.

What a naughty boy was that,
To drown poor pussy-cat,
Who never did him any harm,
But killed the mice in his father's barn!

IMPLICATIONS

Clearly this was a menage et trois, Little Tommy Green put the pussy in well, this means he went first and left it wet, so that BIG JOHNNY STOUT could have ravaged it vigorously, drowning the pussy cat even tho it did him NO HARM!….tsk tsk, is this what we are teaching our children

Sad day indeed

NEXT

Jack be nimble,
And Jack be quick;
And Jack jump over
The candlestick.

IMPLICATIONS

Jack is clearly gay, why else would he jump over a candle stick and why does he need to be nimble.
And we blame cable for our society. tsk tsk

NEXT

Jack and Jill went up the hill,
To fetch a pail of water;
Jack fell down, and broke his crown,
And Jill came tumbling after

IMPLICATIONS

This is a different jack, they clearly did not go to catch a physical pail of water as jack alone could have gotten this water so clearly this is a metaphorical thing to say that they went up a hill to have sex because jill was wet. Jack fell down and broke his crown and Jill came tumbling after (this means Jack came first and jill came shortly after)

Yet we wonder why everyone is so horny

NEXT

One, two,
Buckle my shoe;
Three, four,
Shut the door;
Five, six,
Pick up sticks;
Seven eight,
Lay them straight;
Nine, ten,
A good fat hen;
Eleven, twelve,
Who will delve?
Thirteen, fourteen,
Maids a-courting;
Fifteen, sixteen,
Maids a-kissing;
Seventeen, eighteen,
Maids a-waiting;
Nineteen, twenty,
My stomach's empty

IMPLICATIONS

This one is po*n she bent over shut the door to pick up a stick up by a good fat hen/cock, seemingly it was an orgy not knowing who will delve next, girl on girl action ,some touching themselves and wen it was finished everyone was hungry…sounds familiar.

Moral of the story everything is not what it seems look beyond face value and discover the truth

Alternate Moral: Dont let idleness happen to you

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Mary Mary quite contrary,
How does your garden grow?
With silver bells and cockle shells
And pretty maids all in a row

This rhyme is a reference to Bloody Mary. The garden refers to growing cemeteries, as she filled them with Protestants. Silver bells and cockle shells were instruments of torture and the maiden was a device used to behead people.

Jack and Jill went up the hill,
To fetch a pail of water.
Jack fell down,
And broke his crown;
And Jill came tumbling after.

This poem originated in France. The characters refer to King Louis XVI, Jack, and his Queen Marie Antoinette, Jill. Jack was beheaded (lost his crown) first, then Jill came tumbling after during the Reign of Terror in 1793.

London Bridge bridge is falling down, down
Falling down down, falling down, down
London Bridge bridge is falling down, down
My fair lady.

Take a key key and lock padlock her up,
Lock padlock her up, lock padlock her up,
Take a key key and lock padlock her up,
My fair lady.

This nursery rhyme refers to the rise and fall of Anne Boleyn, the second wife of King Henry VIII of England. Boleyn was accused of adultery and incest and was ultimately executed for treason.

Old Mother Hubbard
Went to the cupboard
To get her poor daughter a dress.
But when she got there
The cupboard was bare
And so was her daughter, I guess!

This rhyme is reputedly about Cardinal Thomas Wolsey. Wolsey refused to facilitate a divorce from Queen Katherine of Aragon for King Henry VIII. The King wanted a divorce so that he could marry Anne Boleyn. The doggie and the bone in the rhyme refer to the divorce, the cupboard is a reference to the Catholic Church and Wolsey is Old Mother Hubbard. The divorce was later arranged by Thomas Cramner and resulted in the break with Rome and the formation of the English Protestant church.

Three blind mice. Three blind mice.
See how they run. See how they run.
They all ran after the farmer's wife,
Who cut off their tails with a carving knife,
Did you ever see such a sight in your life,
As three blind mice

The vicious farmer's wife in this rhyme is believed to refer to Queen Mary I, the daughter of King Henry VIII. Mary, a staunch Catholic, was so well known for her persecution of Protestants that she was given the nickname "Bloody Mary." When three Protestant bishops were convicted of plotting against Mary, she had them burnt at the stake. However, it was mistakenly believed that she had them blinded and dismembered, as is inferred in the rhyme.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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^ OMG funny!! 🤣
The one who wrote them is the biggest pervert indeed! to make small children sing like that 😲
how I used to love singing "One Two bluckle my shoe" .. 😳
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Posted: 13 years ago
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nursery rhymes and stories are just for the kid's entertainment. the kids just want to sing and do finger plays on the rhymes which they liked the best. i dont belive it will destruct them in any ways.. and i also dont belv they hav the wrong meaning.. the kids are not going to "analyze" each rhyme they sing because their brains are not that developed yet..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dr3viL


Jack be nimble,
And Jack be quick;
And Jack jump over
The candlestick.

IMPLICATIONS

Jack is clearly gay, why else would he jump over a candle stick and why does he need to be nimble.
And we blame cable for our society. tsk tsk

& why is jack gay? because he jumped over a candle? 🤔
doesn't make sense
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I feel sure that most children who recited these nursery rhymes never saw any perversion in them. It would take a pervert mind to see all the perversion supposedly hidden in the nursery rhymes 😳
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: zorrro

I feel sure that most children who recited these nursery rhymes never saw any perversion in them. It would take a pervert mind to see all the perversion supposedly hidden in the nursery rhymes 😳

yeah that's what i said.. i agree with u 👏

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