Rules of Discipline

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Okay, so another essay 😆

I've been reading quite a few posts about Gayatri's actions, and the various reactions that came about, or should come about later.


I am not disappointed with PV for showing such behaviour. Nor am I convinced that they're in some way sensationalizing abuse just to promote the show. It was a very interesting episode, simply because emotionally Gayatri's actions felt very very very wrong. It was made all that much worse by Ansh's fear and injury. By Aarti's helplessness in the situation. And Gayatri's obvious enjoyment of both. Intellectually, if someone were to tell you that they locked a child in a room, it sounds horrible yes. But I don't think we would all be up in arms, as we are right now.

The reality of this type of discipline is coming home to everyone, and its a very ugly picture. A first-hand look has the way of making things look blindingly obvious and unbelievable, all at the same time. A lot of people say that its good to fear your parents in young age. Well, low and behold, before the fear, comes actions that induce fear. PV is illustrating to us, with painful clarity, what it means to discipline a child the way Scindya's do it, and the actual reasons motivating such "discipline". When there is outright aggression, and self-rightous rage involved (as there was today), its not about discipline. Its frustration being released on a child (for other surrounding reasons), but being dispelled in the name of discipline.

And the whole thing is ugly and malevolent in its power. That's what Gayatri symbolized for me today. She was the embodiment of 'traditional' styles of discipline coming to a clash with Aarti's so-called "leniency". Where the latter is expressed out of love, and the need to differentiate between right and wrong in the child's eyes, the former is expressed out of pure "How dare you talk to me this way" outrage. And all of a sudden, people understand how damaging to a child's confidence and nature, such treatment can be. That conversation where Ansh told his mom that Dadi doesn't love his mother, nor does she love him. It wasn't sad because it was true, it was sad because of Ansh's choice of words. Like most of us assumed, Ansh has been noticing Gayatri's mistreatment of Aarti. He mentioned this even before he mentioned himself. That's what broke my heart. Even after the whole room-lock debacle, what hurts Ansh is the lack of respect his mother is receiving. This mother-child relationship is just ⭐️😭. That's what actual discipline in the name of discipline gets you. A son/daughter who respects and cares for you. And your well-being will always be in the forefront of their mind.

Something stood out to me during Gayatri's disgusting speeches. She said she disciplines the others this way too 😕, and you know what? I don't think she's lying. There's a disconnect between her sons and her. There is no love or affection openly shown. I now that is not uncommon for Indian families to be more reserved. Mine definitely is. It doesn't mean that Gayatri doesn't love her sons. I'm saying that the sons (and their children), might not 'love' her, or Senior Scindya. When is the last time we have witnessed any sort of family moment between the 5, where their wives or a grandchild or two wasn't there to act as a buffer? And all of a sudden, I understand why Prateik is afraid to approach his parents about Pari's work.

There's a saying that its better to be respected than loved. I do believe that is true. Every relationship should start with respect, because love can come. But when it starts with love, and respect doesn't follow, the love will go.
I know quite a few people who have been raised in such a strict environment. But respect is used as a euphemism for fear. It is not respect as people understand it to be in day to day life, it is a fearful type of so-called respect. Because of a lack of love expressed in childhood, coupled with fear inducing behaviour, in adulthood the child has a decided lack of respect (and love also) for their parents. Their every action will scream respect, but in their hearts, and in their private conversations, you see a very jaded view of their relationship with their parents. And very little trust.
I think that is what we see here, with the sons and Gayatri. Even with Senior Scindya, there's almost a sullen (and loud) silence whenever he is with his sons. I'm not saying that Gayatri and SP have secretly tortured their children. I'm saying that the three sons, were obviously raised in this environment, and while they might be outwardly respectful, and have grown into well-rounded men, this doesn't mean that there is nothing wrong with Gayatri and SP's style of parenting and running house. It definitely explains why the three don't relax around their parents, and why they never discuss anything remotely private in front of them. There is a decided lack of trust there
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PS: Unlike others, I am not convinced that Yash (and Pankaj for that matter), is hesitant of going against his parents. I honestly think, that he just doesn't care what they think. They live their lives, and he lives his. They can do and say whatever they want as far their lives are concerned, but the moment when it breaches into his territory he speaks up. This will ofcourse change with Aarti. The division lines and boundaries of conduct that had been previously drawn (between Yash and his parents) have blurred, as a result of Gayatri's continuous mistreatment of Aarti and Ansh. She insists on enroaching into what is now, Yash's space. So yes, he will take a stand. Unfortunatly, whatever stand he takes, will only end up creating more ill-will in Gayatri's heart (place where her heart should be?), for Ansh and Aarti. So I don't know if he will blast Gayatri. He's more intelligent than that. Hopefully he finds a good solution though.
Basically though, Yash will soon have to start giving a shit. He will have to get over his issues with his parents, and engage with them for Aarti and Ansh's sake. I look forward to it. I also feel for Yash. It won't be easy for him to openly acknowledge to Aarti, the true nature of his mother and father. They are not monsters. I still believe they are redeemable. They just have a longer way to go than any of us had initially expected.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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wonderful post... 👏
it's been obvious since a long time that the 3 brothers are not emotionally very close to their parents... there is this unusual formality with which they treat their parents... this is because of the strict environment they were brought up in... the 3 might have grown up to be wonderful people, but that's probably because they had each other...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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You always present extremely thought provoking analysis which I absolutely love to read. I agree this episode was a candid wake up call to parents about what happens on the other side when they choose this kind of "because I say so" discipline. And for Ansh, who has been brought up by his Mary Poppins mother, I think this was an exponential shock from his status quo, which is what made it incredibly heart breaking.

But what I am forced to think about in the context of this episode is the originators of the whole drama, Payal and Palak. They sort of poked and prodded the glowing ember in Gayatri's heart until it worked itself into a raging fire and she lashed out. It was fun for them until Gayatri was telling him to do uthak baithak but once she locked him in the room, they did not find if funny any more. In fact, they looked horrified and on the verge of tears. And I think this is why they refused Aarti's cotton candy. They are worried that if they allow themselves to like Aarti, they will face the same fate as Ansh. So Gayatri has succeeded in the smallest capacity, but the success is not honest, because like you said there is a difference between respect and fear.

And it is obvious the Scindia sons want as little to do with their parents as possible. Anything enjoyable they do is outside the parents' awareness, from drinking champagne (otherwise why would Pari's parents have brought if for him?) to the bachelor party right down to Pankaj wanting to go to a movie with Vidhi. And they, all three of them, have massive issues. Pankaj has a huge craving for intimacy, Yash has his OCD and Prateek, probably the most balanced, because he was/is parented more by his brothers than his parents, has that fear of approaching them about Paridhi's job when he promised her he would allow her to work.The parents have bred a sort of inherent hypocrisy in the sons, where they "respect" the parents, but see no need to let them know what is going on in their lives.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Samanalyse

Pankaj has a huge craving for intimacy, Yash has his OCD and Prateek, probably the most balanced, because he was/is parented more by his brothers than his parents, has that fear of approaching them about Paridhi's job when he promised her he would allow her to work.The parents have bred a sort of inherent hypocrisy in the sons, where they "respect" the parents, but see no need to let them know what is going on in their lives.



Dude, that is so spot on. Its becoming more and more clear that the message isn't "traditional parenting styles that used to work, don't work anymore". PV is insisting that "traditional parenting styles never worked". Its a little exhilarating.

I love your observation about PayPal by the way. Those two actually do like Aarti I think. They're just confused. Everyone who should be encouraging them (Gayatri and Yash), is either outwardly disapproving or doesn't say anything at all. Besides, they must have been about toddlers with Arpita died. They probably don't know how to be openly affectionate. It took about a day for them to learn to soak it up with Aarti gives it though.

Gayatri is just so contradictory, its hard to avoid the fact that she's just plain stupid. The woman has no understanding of long-term benefits. And she lets herself be swayed by petty emotions. No honour or love in sight. Only jealousy and spite. You can tell that when the 3 bahus ran into the room after her, she felt a little remorse. But she suppressed it.
I hate black and white characters, but Gayatri is just so ugly inside, that I wonder if there is any redemption for her. Maybe she'll straighten up in terms of how she treats A&A (lol Aarti and Ansh are a team👏), but I doubt she'll ever actually accept them fully. I hate to think that, but this last episode was just that .
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Charishma



Dude, that is so spot on. Its becoming more and more clear that the message isn't "traditional parenting styles that used to work, don't work anymore". PV is insisting that "traditional parenting styles never worked". Its a little exhilarating.

RIGHT?! 😃

I love your observation about PayPal by the way. Those two actually do like Aarti I think. They're just confused. Everyone who should be encouraging them (Gayatri and Yash), is either outwardly disapproving or doesn't say anything at all. Besides, they must have been about toddlers with Arpita died. They probably don't know how to be openly affectionate. It took about a day for them to learn to soak it up with Aarti gives it though.

Yup, yup and that is exactly the problem they are having at school too. Just like Dadi dear, they use superiority and plain meanness to cover up their insecurities. And they must have serious ones, losing their life source and the centre of their world at such a young age. Trauma like that doesn't just walk away. Gayatri is enabling these insecurities and teaching them to be manipulative, maladjusted and petrified of authority. Worst combination ever? I think so.

As for Yash he really needs to wake up and smell the hegemony! It is not enough to just get the girls a new mother! Heck my dog needs us to coax her and tempt her with a new toy before she will go anywhere near it. How are Payal and Palak just supposed to love Aarti the first day. A large onus is on Yash to show that being nice to Aarti and loving her is something that makes him happy. The girls will automatically follow suit. Also once they realise that Aarti being in the picture gives them more time with their dad, rather than less, they will come around.


They behave totally differently in front of Yash, where they are much more like Ansh, joking and teasing and kissing, because they feel no fear, only love and affection. No wonder the chap was baffled by the principal's pronouncement. He hasn't seen the PayPal his mother has crafted. And kids at school get more hostility than love from their peers so I can imagine they whip out the Gayatri-paat in that context, rather than their Papa side...which is basically why the other half of their primary care givers has to be more like Yash...Aarti.

I hate black and white characters, but Gayatri is just so ugly inside, that I wonder if there is any redemption for her. Maybe she'll straighten up in terms of how she treats A&A (lol Aarti and Ansh are a team👏), but I doubt she'll ever actually accept them fully. I hate to think that, but this last episode was just that .

I think that is why they are bringing up the thing of her mental illness with the forgetfulness. I have a feeling that when she is unable to wield power, everyone will be all, whatever mom. It might be then that Aarti steps in and takes charge. Gayatri will be vulnerable, she already is which is why she slides down the cruelty spiral so easily, but vulnerable and weak thanks to her illness. I think the tragedy of her story is that she has developed this forgetfulness and in the process, her worst fear is being forgotten herself, which is why she exercises all this authority unfairly. Yesterday to me was a cry for help from Gayatri but the cruel results of her actions totally overshadowed that. Like you said, Yash blasting her will only fuel her antagonism but the question is, what does she want?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ Samana:
That's the million dollar question though, isn't it? What does this woman want?? I know she's not evil, no matter how bad she seems, this show is all about complexities. So many theories.

I think you're right though. Gayatri's insecurities and fear of being forgotten have completely taken over. And Aarti is not what anyone in this house that she would be. She's openly defiant, outspoken, and not easily intimidated. Outwardly, she's more Vidhi-like. Her dressing, and respect for elders. But when it comes to her actual opinions she's more Pari-like. I could almost imagine a newly wedded Aarti making the same complaints to Prashant about his parents. She was probably all like "I have to wear churidar suits?!"

Mostly though, I think its her complete lack of interest in impressing Gayatri. She doesn't feel the need to make that woman like her. I think that ticks Gayatri off to no end. Like you said, her insecurities about loosing her place in the house (and loosing "respect") takes over every now and then.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Charishma I think you have hit the jackpot with that last statement. Aarti does nothing to try and please Gayatri and all in all this is what bugs her the most. Gayatri is probably way down there on Aarti's list of people to deal with with. Payal and Palak are the only people in this house I actually think she is out to impress. For the rest of them, she will be her normal self, caring, compassionate, helpful but will not go out of her way to make them like her. This is in direct contradiction with Paridhi who is going out of her way to impress Gayatri by any means known to her, from flattery to ordering samosas immediately.

Aarti is a contradiction in terms for the Scindias and I love that! She sleuthed her way into the house with her quiet demeanour and her knowledge of traditional niceties, the Scindias thinking the whole time that she would be eternally grateful for it. But she is here to rock the boat! Pari though more radical can't take that stand because she does not understand the Scindias traditionalist way of life. Aarti on the other hand has a foot on either side of the line and has no issues jumping from one side to the other. She will be the real bringer of change here.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I think so too. Even SP, for all his intelligence, doesn't quite know what to do with her. And Yash continues to give her one shocked look after another.
She's just such a contradiction to these people, its almost a little funny.
I just hope Gayatri chills out for a bit though. She needs to back off.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hell in a handbasket. This Gayatri just gets worse and worse. Maybe she's not as stupid as I thought, just impulsive. Did you see how she tried to cover her tracks today? Only one thing she forgot though, the kid knowingly hurt.
Woman needs to be dropkicked.

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