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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar


I said this in my post too but I'll say it here again...the chai date scene and especially the bit where Megha turns to him and says, 'ki hum ek dusre ke saath toh hain' makes me envision them literally growing old together with this amazing warmth and affection b/w them...they had such a sweet old married couple vibe to them there...you know that quality that is unique to couples that have been married for a while...that they just look at each other and don't need to say anything and they can converse...that connection that two ppl share...that is what is there b/w them now...they give off that vibe that they've understood each other since forever😆



WORD Anu!! Pata hai, they've always had a silent understanding when it comes to each other but up until recently that wasn't given the chance to be expressed simply because of the difficult situations and trust issues surrounding them. But now that Megha has finally been able to realize and accept Mohan's genuine niceness as a FACT (like you said), there is really nothing there to curb their connection anymore. Pehley sey hi, even during that gift shop days when Mohan helped Megha buy toys for Nanhi/Addu, you could see that these two are just so comfortable around each other. The way they could find, sulk, but then go back to helping and showing concern for the other the MOMENT it was needed.. This is so typical of a married couple.. Of people who have known each other forever. K they are comfortable enough around each other to shed all pretense and be WHO they ARE.. Whether it is in their arguments, their stubborn stand offs, their silent conversations or their camaraderie now.. I can see NOTHING changing in terms of their behavior towards each other - they may improve upon some traits, maybe care a bit more about the other and in a DIFFERENT manner once they do end up falling for each other but the BASIS will be the same connect and camaraderie to begin with.. 😍 Oh Anu I love to see them both laugh as he drops her home.. My heart swells EVERY time.. 😍
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sunna_Deewani


Maybe we should make Jiji to tell her some stories😆. But megha will dismiss them as she has already said that Jiji keeps finding in Romance in everything.



Lol! Jiji already tried laughing off Mohan's concern for Megha by saying he loved her.. But I think Jiji wasn't really trying to show the mirror to Megha at that point, just trying really to make her laugh. I think eventually if and when the time comes, Jiji will definitely be Megha's support like Guru is Mohan's. She may not have maa-baapuji stories for her but she won't hesitate from helping Megha realize and accept the truth about her feelings. And it will be different coming from her than from anyone else because in someways Jiji's words will resonate more with Megha simply because Jiji has been in the same boat and speaks from experience.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Okay, before I launch into my reply saga to the very awesome (👏) post Fivr, I just gotta post the link to the song I played in the BG as I type it out... not because ALL the lyrics go for MM, but just because the tune and the essence of the song REALLY REALLY stand up for the fun and frolic MM the team have been this week - through and through - the transition having gone from the opening scene of an unsure Meg hailing an auto and Mohan standing up with her, beside her - to Meg turning tables on the THE bane of Mohan's past - or as he unnecessarily holds Rashmi to be, a credit, even in a discredit sense, that's too high for someone as brush-aside-able. Oh well.

So erm, yeh, the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFIfGprGDRQ



Originally posted by: -Fivr-


Mohan has always been such a character with a strong personality and a very, very sharp sense of sarcasm and wits. He's always been the ACTUALLY "cool" guy (at least to me) - the one who keeps hit wits about him at all times and ALWAYS knows how to get out of a sticky situation with out loosing his upper hand. He's always emulated this CONFIDENCE and sense of SURETY that when you look at him you realize that you BELIEVE in him and in everything he will do. He's a hero, plain and simple.

I love how you say that Fivr. Esp, how it raises immediately, the contrast in a typical definition of hero, and in a realistic one! Mohan knows how to get out of thick spots not by sheer means of brute - but by constantly thinking on his feet. And the fact that solutions jump at him also comes off so credibly, given that it is the one skill - elemental and cultivated in equal measure - that comes as a by with his profession! It's easy to believe that he would seek out clues and means and back ups in multiples. That he would by default follow up a kind of mechanic algorithm in problem solving, going step by step yet at a pace of one who's been a pro getting in and out of thick spots for a while now! And of course, the best part about Mohan being a hero is how he's not a messiah but a real world leader. He may not dictate a respect among subjects (thank god!) but he inspires a leap of ability and conviction in those around him, almost like he's building up an army of self sufficient people. He inspires an independence and individuality which emerges from a support system; instead of imposing a constant dependency upon himself, a one man army ... and that is what is so wonderful about the evolution he brings about, around him!

And so it doesn't matter how old you get or how mature time makes you, old memories always have a way to bringing back the pain and confusion with them. They always have the power to make you feel just as vulnerable and lost as you did the day off. And they ALWAYS have a hold on you unless you're allowed to deal with them and put them to rest. Which from the looks of Mohan, I hardly believe was the case.

^^ Entirely concur with you. In fact, I personally connect with Mohan in this particular aspect to a great extent, so I want to elaborate, as I see him. As one of those people who are capable of pushing chapters of their life to some forbidden corners of their existence, so as to access them next to never; but not really fish them out and be done with them once and for all! It's an interesting paradox in Mohan's nature, that on the one hand he is this guy who'd never fear confrontations, rather face them straight up, because he believes that is the only way to deal with things. So even a MAJOR revelation like his error in Amar Vyas case had him go with minimal delay straight upto Megha, own up, and apologize. As simply, candidly, as he did - something that requires a WHOLE DEAL another level of courage! On the other hand is facing Rashmi. A confrontation he just cannot deal with, bring himself upto facing, without feeling at an utter loss of either reaction, or means to put it across. The paradox somewhere stems from the fact that while for most of the rest in life, right or wrong, Mohan has a complete understanding and conviction of facts - in Rashmi's case, he's been more lost along the way. It's one of those exceptional chapters in his life that instead of facing and analyzing he pushed away from himself consciously, indefinitely delaying dealing with it. The way that entire chapter, as it seems, has turned out has been very inexplicable to Mohan, I guess. That he'd be so committed to someone. That a mere big dream to chase could rip him apart from that someone who seemed like THE one for the rest of the life. That the conclusion of the episode would leave him with multiple scars of being less than worthy. I guess the ineffable part of Mohan's reaction/analysis, or lack of both is the fact that he's NOT really an unworthy person, and minus of this one jarring chapter he's well aware of that fact. But this one instance, such a major one at that, kinda really makes him doubt some fundamentals of his own existence. To an extent where he begins to lose sight of objectivity as anyone would with regards to their own self, and ends up not having answers, but wounding himself deeper into the mire. And so the only way to get out, seems like the way of strict avoidance. Trying to ignore the existence of this chapter till it fades out of vivid existence.

But of course, pretending that a part of his life never existed, will not cause that part to cease to exist for real. And so every time a reminder, live or in reference, jumps up at him, it unsettles him uncharacteristically. He said once early on the show how he was not a person who could leave things half done/half baked. Sadly, that is how he has abandoned the whole Rashmi and his affair gone sour issue. Put it aside, without dealing with it once and for all - and in the process of consistently overcoming it by pretense mode, has actually allowed it to fester further as this wound of partly inexplicable origin and consequence...

On that particular note, it makes all the more sense, that Megha's words from Friday's opening scene make a mark on him. He needs both an active confrontation with this past, and a formal final closure. And somewhere, he knows it well. While Megha's means of resorting to this act are one thing that don't make him very comfortable, it is also the idea of a repeat confrontation with Rashmi that doesn't go down well with him in general. If anything, knowing Mohan, he did what he does best. He got up and TRIED to dust off the incident by pretending it was a big deal - by moving on and doing SOMETHING/ANYTHING other than dealing with Rashmi and her crap.

And the beauty of such a predicament for a Mohan like character is the realism of portraying a human being after all. Someone, who even in his own klutzy world of professional and cynical perfection and conviction has sore points, just like anyone else - vulnerable when the wrong buttons are pressed, because who can ever live a life without skeletons in their cupboard? It is AS in character for Mohan to be brusque and forthcoming, as it is for him to be a strictly territorial man confined to his bachelor ways - not because he was always so sworn to having this exclusivity of space, but because letting someone in once, uninhibited, cost him a little too much!

And in that respect - he really is that cactus. The one with thorns, greatly un-demanding, needing to be watered once in a while... and always on a defensive in certain ways. Yet, someone who with some seasoned tending to, can bloom after all...

I said this before, but here goes again - I just LOVE the transition that has already happened between mere two meetings. Mohan was SO many more smiles, and so much less put down within his own self, at the coffee date, as opposed to the mart. Megha's constant efforts at reviving his own opinion about himself has worked like it has, cause she'd been nothing but genuine, even beneath that full blown wifey act.

And once they are through, I want Mohan to really give her a piece of his mind and show her the door (the first step towards that was this Friday when Mohan made the jhaduu poocha comment 🤣). Oh how I count down the days.. 🤢

I totally kept forgetting to say this other thing too, about how when Rashmi made a disdainful remark about Megha's saree, Mohan's expression for Megha was at least mildly miffed, and just a tad embarrassed on account of what she was taking for him. Megha of course was utterly unflustered - and what i like MOST about this unperturbed reaction is that she wasn't so in any sacrificing or assuring way for Mohan's sake, but because she really could see through how shallow Rashmi was, her growing panic by the moment, and in her ever the worse cheap shots, Megha could sense a rising accomplishment of what she'd set out to do!

So while Mohan is still who he was before these revelations - he is STILL strong, witty and smart - we now are also given the privilege to see the otherwise hidden (and maybe protected) Mohan.. The one who is a little unsure, the one who isn't as confident and the one who goes tongue-tied at times. And it makes me realize that Mohan, while he is someone I look up to, is NOT larger than life. He is someone I could meet on the street and talk to. He is one of us - he makes mistakes and has his share of confusions. But WITH all of this in tow, he still manages to be as sorted as he is - he manages to make the inspiring decisions that he does and he is as inspiring as he is. And if THAT doesn't make him desirable and heroic, then I don't know what does.

Megha

While in Mohan we saw his more vulnerable side, with Megha we were introduced to THE Megha that had been overshadowed by the Mrs. Vyas and Mummy aspect of her personality. We were allowed to meet the Megha who had been the competitive student in college, had loads of friends and did loads of masti. And while Megha had always been a strong character with a dignified intelligence about her, for the first time I saw the MASTI in her - the SPARK - that had been alluded to earlier in the show. I've said this before, but I guess I'll say it once again - I love Megha. I love the person that she is and the zest she brings to a situation. I love her spontaneity which was otherwise curbed and I love the way she can be dignified AND mischievous all at the same time. I love how we are allowed to meet her and realize how loyal she is to those she cares for - if anything, it helps me understand why she puts up with half the crap at the Vyas house that she does. Because she cares for them as HER family if not Amar's family and she will always stand by them no matter what. It takes forever to make your way into Megha's circle of trust, but once there, she gives it her all. And it's heartwarming to see her laugh and smile - to see her LIVE outside of her ghar and bachey and her in-laws. To see her be HUMAN - to see her interact with people she may consider a friend and to see her having FUN. And what's amazing is k even WHILE she is doing something as otherwise bach-kana as "tricking" someone, she does it with such an air of dignity and CONFIDENCE. There is no snickering, no giggling - there is confidence..

Again, LOVE how you put that Fivraa 👏 I love how this side of Megha - latent/dormant or whatever else - just goes on to manifest how she has not been a sacrificial lamb in the scheme of things by moving in with her inlaws and deciding to live an austere life for her children. There has been a strength required, that is inimitable by most, and that is the strength Mohan first saw and recognized and admired about her! The strength that drew him in. The side of Megha we've seen after she's finally gotten all chummy with Mohan is this more camaraderie and ease based version of that same strength. Something that glows inside of her, and exudes from her very person. She could have well risen to the dozen plus baits Rashmi set her up for, if not on her account, then on Mohan's behalf - because her words for Mohan HAD affronted her, when she'd first heard them play at the mart from across the aisles. But like Mohan is a man who has seen the world and perceives the slightest off hints, Megha is a woman who has lived in a house of testing circumstances amidst people of all odds and ends and pulled through with MUCH grace and hold on her reaction. It is the one thing she excels at, like few others could - and so no matter how much Rashmi tries to ruffle her feathers, Megha keeps her complacency to an extent that begins to prick and unnerve Rashmi, until she resorts to all those lowest of low shots, which result in both, Megha feeling reassured of her win, and Mohan, who was sitting taking it lying down, actually rising to an occasion with - if but once - his IN CHARACTER sarcasm...

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: without-fathom

Okay, before I launch into my reply saga to the very awesome (👏) post Fivr, I just gotta post the link to the song I played in the BG as I type it out... not because ALL the lyrics go for MM, but just because the tune and the essence of the song REALLY REALLY stand up for the fun and frolic MM the team have been this week - through and through - the transition having gone from the opening scene of an unsure Meg hailing an auto and Mohan standing up with her, beside her - to Meg turning tables on the THE bane of Mohan's past - or as he unnecessarily holds Rashmi to be, a credit, even in a discredit sense, that's too high for someone as brush-aside-able. Oh well.

So erm, yeh, the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFIfGprGDRQ


Oh Jzee, this is such an apt song for MM this week! Which is probably why now I have it on repeat as I reply to your post.. 😆😆😍

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Awesome song choice JZ...a classic favourite, and it does suit MM for this week. :)

I love the theme/title of your post Fivr! It's true...hidden traits are what we got to see this week. Not just us as an audience, even Megha and Mohan themselves discovered each other's hidden traits. And I'm just loving this progression the most...this journey of MM getting to know each other. Because really, even amidst this love story...the writers have not forgotten the characterization. That's what I love watching. I like how these characters evolve as they interact with one another, while still keeping their basic essence true to themselves.

And it really is amazing how far MM have come...I know we keep repeating this but I can't help it. And JZ...I just LOVED your cactus interpretation. I'm just going to bring what you said in the creations thread in here. Isn't it amazing how when we start getting fond of someone...the very things that 'pricked' us/irritated us about them...they start to seem endearing. And we start accepting those traits about that person. JZ like you said, the very thorns that seemed offensive and a put off are starting to be viewed differently now. Megha is starting to see the cactus for what it really is. The thorns are only a defense mechanism. She understands that now somewhat. And that opening scene from Friday convinced me even more of this. Megha has been able to look past Mohan's thorns and understand the fear/the vulnerability behind this defense mechanism. And so she doesn't find his brusque, cynical self quite so bad anymore. Like you said, she sees that as something defensive...something that can be used for protection.

And this was seen in that scene from Friday where Mohan blurts out, "Yeh jhadoo lagati hai, aur main pocha"...and Megha responds to this sarcasm in an approving manner too. Which shows how far these two have come. The fact that Megha isn't put off/irritated by this brusqueness. She actually accepts this side of Mohan's and is actually pleased to see him act like himself. And Megha understands the point of Mohan's brusque tone also. As she's observed that this kind of a tone is needed to deal with certain kinds of people. So she's observing and approving of his street smarts that way too.

And similarly, Mohan isn't quite so irritated by Megha's dignity and her sense of righteousness anymore. The "Mirchi Madam" traits I mean. 😆 He admires them and somewhere he connects with them also because he himself believes in that goodness and that idealism. Or he wants to believe it anyways...despite his cynical view of the world. He understands that Megha's view and positivity is also very satisfying, healing and it provides much peace of mind.

So like you have worded here, which I'd like to quote:

but once you do begin to see beyond the thorns, it becomes such an imperative part of your space, even the thorns which seemed all pointed at you, feel like your own new found defense once you're on the inside of them

Like you said, those thorns do feel like a "new found defense". Mohan finds peace in Megha's idealistic views and positivity...something that made him a little impatient and cynical at first...and Megha also finds that Mohan's street smarts and wit is a very useful trait to have when dealing with all kinds of people in the real world.

So in this way these two have accepted these traits about each other...as they've slowly gotten to discover the real person behind these defense mechanisms. The real cactus plant. And so...again I'm going to quote your words here since you've said this SO beautifully:

And the MM equation has been far more a cactus bond, than a bed of roses - they've pricked and rubbed each other on all the wrong points, before reaching this place where the thorns no longer prick, but protect, instinctively, as for a cactus! And the flowers bloom and show only for those who care enough and stay that long!

Especially love the last line. It's that patience that's important here too. The patience and the tender love and care. That's the kind of support and care that these two are providing for each other right now. Megha's dialogue really does make sense here...the flowers will bloom indeed only if you can provide that time and patience to watch out for them and just be there.

And btw...don't you love how NBT has not used the typical romantic flower of a rose here? They've actually used something as unique as a cactus! I just love this thought itself! Whoever came up with this deserves appreciation big time. A rose is universal...it is established. The cactus is misunderstood. You need to discover it for yourself. Discover all the hidden (there I refer back to this word 'hidden' again) wonderfulness the cactus plant really consists of. Which is exactly like this show...you need to really watch it to discover all the wonderful little subtleties and traits about it. And it's exactly like these characters too. It's a journey of discovering, forming ties and growing...blooming I should say. :)

LOL totally got carried away there...didn't mean to type all that. I blame Fivr's post and your cactus interpretation JZ.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: pigbelly4myfeet

Awesome song choice JZ...a classic favourite, and it does suit MM for this week. :)

^^ I know!!! I tried to squeeze in the prime line into my dabba, but what I've got there is already overflowing much 😆 (on a completely unrelated note, the imgur thing is at least working from my school server!)



And this was seen in that scene from Friday where Mohan blurts out, "Yeh jhadoo lagati hai, aur main pocha"...and Megha responds to this sarcasm in an approving manner too. Which shows how far these two have come. The fact that Megha isn't put off/irritated by this brusqueness. She actually accepts this side of Mohan's and is actually pleased to see him act like himself. And Megha understands the point of Mohan's brusque tone also. As she's observed that this kind of a tone is needed to deal with certain kinds of people. So she's observing and approving of his street smarts that way too.

Pallo it suddenly struck me how that compares with Megha's reactions to the way Mohan was brushing off Dimpy in the first couple days of her coming! I mean, at a certain level, you can compare Dimpy and Rashmi as two girls throwing themselves at Mohan - each in their own way, and even though Dimpy literally throws herself more, she is obviously the much less distasteful of the two - but point of focus is Megha's reaction. While Mohan was constantly termed "batameez" and all synonymous names for his crude brushing off of Dimpy, MM have come this far, as you point out, for Megha to actually secretly grin to herself at the expense of the humor Mohan's caustic remarks provide! She is no longer in her typical "ladkiyon se baat karne ki tehzeeb nahin hai tumhe" mode - because the "thorns" have late in the day but finally been correctly intercepted as just an instant stay off sign - which don't really have as much intention to harm as may seem at first sight!


And btw...don't you love how NBT has not used the typical romantic flower of a rose here? They've actually used something as unique as a cactus! I just love this thought itself! Whoever came up with this deserves appreciation big time. A rose is universal...it is established. The cactus is misunderstood. You need to discover it for yourself. Discover all the hidden (there I refer back to this word 'hidden' again) wonderfulness the cactus plant really consists of. Which is exactly like this show...you need to really watch it to discover all the wonderful little subtleties and traits about it. And it's exactly like these characters too. It's a journey of discovering, forming ties and growing...blooming I should say. :)

Word to the bold! All this time I've been in awe of the cactus symbolism and it's multiple angles of application - I did not explicitly think once of what a difference it is from the roses! And again - the difference itself hasn't been imposed in a cliche sense of "inexplicably and eternally angry and turned off about God knows what" kinda protagonist male - but a cactus in a more real world sense, where the idea of bearing thorns and being dry is purely a self guarding mechanism which is NOT oh so conveniently and all the time confused with constant invading and offending another's rights and space! The cactus is a unique symbolism, and it has been effectively used in a straightforward and hence refreshingly convincing manner!

LOL totally got carried away there...didn't mean to type all that. I blame Fivr's post and your cactus interpretation JZ.

LOL - I'll take that for a half compliment, shared with behna! Anything to get a good discussion going 😊

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I literally get excited to read you guys' posts like I do watching the actual episode. No kidding.

Do I even need to say that i like your post and agree with everything you wrote, Fivr? I am sitting in front of my computer nodding my head as I read through your post and ummm i'm still not done reading. **goes back to reading***
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Originally posted by: Ramy25

I literally get excited to read you guys' posts like I do watching the actual episode. No kidding.

Do I even need to say that i like your post and agree with everything you wrote, Fivr? I am sitting in front of my computer nodding my head as I read through your post and ummm i'm still not done reading. **goes back to reading***



LOL! I know exactly what you mean! I was doing exactly the same thing for Pallavi's and Jzee's last two posts.. 😆 Main toh waise hi bowled over hoon by that cactus metaphor that I realized yesterday k now all I can do with regards to that is to just sit, read and nod with a goofy smile.. 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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lol yup that's the case. NBT episode isn't complete until Anu posts her take on the epi thread and then JZ her thesis😆 and then pallo comes at the end with her reflective essay that takes you through the entire episode one last time before it's time for another.
I'm so glad that you got time out of your busy schedule to make this post. I totally concur with you on every point and isn't it so refreshingly awesome to have such a show with such well-sketched characters and their nuances?
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Originally posted by: Ramy25

lol yup that's the case. NBT episode isn't complete until Anu posts her take on the epi thread and then JZ her thesis😆 and then pallo comes at the end with her reflective essay that takes you through the entire episode one last time before it's time for another.
I'm so glad that you got time out of your busy schedule to make this post. I totally concur with you on every point and isn't it so refreshingly awesome to have such a show with such well-sketched characters and their nuances?



@bold: Absolutely agree with you there! I always lurking around reading their posts and nodding around. It gives me immense pleasure to know k even though I can't actually type out my thoughts, I still get to READ them written out.. 😆 And most of the time in better words.. 😆

Amen about well-sketched characters.. I have honestly been knocking on wood ever since this show started because I was not expected it to be this good. Sure the promos were good, but woh toh BALH k bhi they and that didn't work out at all.. 😆 But this such a refreshing show in terms of characters and plot development - better than the stuff I am enveloped in normally..

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