Maanvi Vs Jeevika - who is to be blamed?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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😆Hey everybodyy.

I am a lazy member of this forum so most of you may not know me but here's a post trying to reason out the whole maanvi vs jeevika thing, whether jeevika doesnt care for maanvi's love or whether maanvi is too immature to realize that her love becomes interference in jeevika's new life.

Firstly, what is the love of behnas based on?
Whatever we saw of the behnas in rishikesh made me realize that manvi and jeevika's love is based on jeevika acting as an adult bias towards manvi. jeevika understands maanvi is a child. she understands maanvi likes doing things her way. but she acted as the neutral one who would explain beeji maanvi's pov and apologize on her behalf and explain to maanvi what she's doing is wrong even if she does it desiring a positive outcome. jeevika has been motherly to maanvi, scolds her but tries to understand her rationale and does whatever to keep maanvi out of trouble. thats what maanvi loves about her. Thats probably been the way since they were kids.

Jeevika is still the same, and so is maanvi, but circumstances have changed since the people around them have changed. Hence, maanvi's mistakes are now magnified, even though they want to meet a positive end and jeevika's efforts to take maanvi's side are hindered by the other duties she is supposed to perform as a wife, bahu and most importantly, as a member of the vadhera household.

Maanvi and Swamini
All families have this weird aunty who has a problem wiith every thing that doesnt go her way. the world has many intolerant aunties, who cant imagine the world not obeying their orders. Swamini is one of them. Guess what, Beeji wouldve been the same too. I think beeji would have reacted similarly towards maanvi's antics if she wasnt related to maanvi. she wouldnt take maanvi's flamboyance with a pinch of salt if maanvi wasnt her grand daugher. Some aunties are just that type. Now, what we can't do is expect such aunties to put up with maanvi's personality, Maanvi's character oubviously will not understand that. Thats the way she functions. Her mantra is also to make the world function her way. The problem is that, Jeevika can no longer be the middle man. Just like, maanvi's fans think she has the right to be who she is, and follow her mantra of spreading her ideas, Jeevika too has to be respected in accordance with the limitations she has upon her now. Convincing Beeji was a different thing, convincing Swamini Bua all the time is a different thing. Standing up for Maanvi isnt as easy anymore. She is answerable to other people now who have only recently entered her life. Now is the time to secure relations with them so the foundation of her married life has less trouble (obvs that wont happen, since drama in the sasuraal in inevitable in shows) but like maanvi, while trying to ease up the surrounding in the vadhera house makes Jeevika's life complicated unintentionally and Jeevika bounded by the vadhera's expectations cannot act like the way she did before her shaadi. The vadheras are jeevika's family too, and they certainly arent torturing beasts so there is no reason to oppose them vehemently on her part since she is ready to make sacrifices.

Maanvi is being herself, like she always does, because that's maanvi's way, and Jeevika is being herself. She appears different because now she keeps in mind the probable reponse of other people too. She is the rishikesh waali jeevika, with layers unravelling as she meets newer challenges. The fact is, Jeevika loves her marital life. A simple girl who followed everyone's commands and made all the sacrifices has found a guy that loves her, not only because of the expectations she has the ability to live up to but because of her individuality as well ( being highlighted in the honeymoon track which is giving greater depth to their romance. Every girl would kill for that. So it is NOT selfish on jaavika's part when she attemmpts to balance stuff between Maanvi and the Vadheras. Vadheras are in the package of that life viren can give Jeevika. Complications with them will complicate her marital life and there is no reason why she should not make concious decisions to eliminate these complications. Maanvi is being childish. But thats not her fault. She's been the baby of the family and none of her elders have successfully explained to her why she should not be herself with certain types of people. Plus, she does not feel crazy guilty when does stuff like fight with virat, or enter her sister's party, or write a letter to swamini, or interfere in Inder's life. Her will to do good overpowers reasoning with keeping possible reactions in mind. She believes in the power of goodness staunchly. Her means maybe haywire but they were manageable in rishikesh and she doesnt like adapting.

Maanvi is against Jeevika adapting to swaamini and dada ji's rule. She is against adapting herself. Jeevika doesnt seem to have a problem with adapting and there are a lot of advantages for her in the deal, which any girl would avail.

The battle is kinda between fighting for individuality (Maanvi) and being ready to sacrfice (Jeevika). None of these are wrong I believe. Both the behnas are discovering themselves now. They dont love each other any less but they love other stuff too, like all other human beings. They believed ek hazaron mein meri behna hain, and they have the right to believe ek hazaron mein aur bhi cheezen hain. 😳

Please write back, longgg comments, so I'm not demotivated and go back to being a lazy member. 😛 😆

hope my analysis makes sense. Write back even if you dont agree.😉






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Posted: 13 years ago
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I don't know your name, but I just loved your post. I don't think my post will be as long as yours but let's find out.

We have based our knowledge on the sisterly love on what we saw at the beginning of the show in Rishikesh. I have always said Jeevika is more of a mother to Maanvi and Maanvi is more like her child than her sister. As any mother would, she protects her child from others. Whist in Rishikesh the situation was different, a mother is protecting her child against her own family. (Beejii) People who understand both Jeevika and Maanvi and are aware of their nature and bond. In Maanvi's eyes Jeevika is her mother and accepts anything Jeevika will do or say, which is why when Jeevika scolds her it is not from anger, but love. Jeevika loves Maanvi just as much as Maanvi loves Jeevika and her scolding is just trying to get Maanvi to understand the effects her actions.

I completely agree with you, Jeevika is the same, she has not changed since Rishikesh. She her love for her sister has altered, but the their circumstances and the people they live with have changed. Jeevika cannot protect Maanvi in Chandigar like she did in Rishikesh. The Vadhera household is different from her home and she has new responsibilities , as a wife and daughter-in law, she cannot protect her sister, also Maanvi needs to learn these life lessons.

Maanvi doesn't understand the way of the world, even when people try and explain it to her, she still doesn't get it. That's just how she is. Like you said Jeevika can't protect her against people who don't understand both of them. Beeji is one thing but Swamini and Dadaji is something different.

I loved your comment about weird aunts and it is so true. Every family has a weird aunt. In addition, I'm sure if Beejii wasn't Maanvi grandmother and did not know that her intentions are pure would also get irritated by Maanvi antics. However Swamini is past the irritating auntie, she's the ever intervening and one who's always right aunt. There no compromising in her eyes to people she dislikes, but there perfect with the ones she loves.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Awesome post dear😃!!!
And just love this statement😊..
Jeevika is still the same, and so is maanvi, but circumstances have changed since the people around them have changed. Hence, maanvi's mistakes are now magnified, even though they want to meet a positive end and jeevika's efforts to take maanvi's side are hindered by the other duties she is supposed to perform as a wife, bahu and most importantly, as a member of the vadhera household.

res,for now will expand later..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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HEy that was pretty intresting post...never mind a long
You insight on such aunties existing reminds me some unwanted to trouble some realities we have in our own lives and brunt of their actions in wanting to rule everything!!!!
HEck i remember one my aunt who wanted my become doc though i used to faint on sight of blood...how stupid can that get right!!
Still worse is her even now trying to change my cousin brother mind from aeronatuics though he loves it ans seems to have knack of mechanics and passion for flying machines right form childhood!!!

Such people remind me Swamin bua and dadaji...

I also agree with your point of view of Jeevika bending for them..as she does not need to rebel..her husband is the star in the family and petted by everyone so her following Swamin bua's or dadji rules will not hurt her in any ways and as you say what she gets in return of this deal is too good to ignore!!!
But then i guess if Maanvi is goint to end up with Virat she hsould take steps and o what Kadambri Chachi never did!!!! She should rebel for fair chance for her husband and also make sure he receives respect...whcih were i guess Kadambri chachi let her husband down...had she been always meek it was fine but them in private she wants him to be successful and cannot bear his failure...sO I am totally OK with Mannu beginning with Chachu to rebel against dadaji

Just imagine if she can do so much for Chachu who she is just respects and probably pities when she starts loving Virat she will surely encourage and fight for his respect in the family which Virat will feel proud of!!!

So as you have said both the sisters are totally correct in their own place and will be so int future also...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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"The fact is, Jeevika loves her marital life. A simple girl who followed everyone's commands and made all the sacrifices has found a guy that loves her, not only because of the expectations she has the ability to live up to but because of her individuality as well ( being highlighted in the honeymoon track which is giving greater depth to their romance. Every girl would kill for that. So it is NOT selfish on jaavika's part when she attemmpts to balance stuff between Maanvi and the Vadheras. Vadheras are in the package of that life viren can give Jeevika. Complications with them will complicate her marital life and there is no reason why she should not make concious decisions to eliminate these complications. Maanvi is being childish. But thats not her fault. She's been the baby of the family and none of her elders have successfully explained to her why she should not be herself with certain types of people. Plus, she does not feel crazy guilty when does stuff like fight with virat, or enter her sister's party, or write a letter to swamini, or interfere in Inder's life. Her will to do good overpowers reasoning with keeping possible reactions in mind. She believes in the power of goodness staunchly. Her means maybe haywire but they were manageable in rishikesh and she doesnt like adapting."

Couldnt have said it better 😃.Agree with all points 👏
Great post loved reading all ur points
Do make more such posts in future explaining povs of both sisters 😊

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Loved your post... Will provide my detail comment when I head back homeWink

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The true essence of the show, the sisters was the main reason I'm here today. Along the way, we were introduced with their respective partners but the story is about the sisters. Jeevika being the eldest, shoulders the responsibility towards her younger sister Manvi. She also made her promise to her late mother that she will be there for her sister. Till today, she has been fulfilling her responsibilities but in her own way. Just because she doesn't blindly defend Manvi, that doesn't mean she does not love Manvi. Whenever Manvi was wrong, she was the first to scold her whether it was in Rishikesh or in Chandigarh. She was a mother who showered her with love when she needed; a father who corrected her mistakes, a big sister to protected her and a friend whom she can confide in. Just because she loves her, it doesn't mean she should pamper and ignore all her mistakes..

Manvi on the other hand is very impulsive, outspoken and speaks her mind out. Deep down her, there is a naive, innocent and pure soul that can't stand seeing a single soul being sad. She speaks her mind out without thinking of the consequences which may not be acceptable by everyone. Her love for Jeevika takes her to extremes, where her emotions controls her rather than her rational. That is the nature of Manvi which may take some time to mature like Jeevika. All this while, Jeevika was there to shadow her from everyone but now she will have to slowly learn how to adapt to reality. Her intentions are noble but the most of the time the execution brings adverse effect that complicates matter. She needs time to adapt to it; we can't expect someone to change overnight.
Coming to the relationship between Manvi and Swamini, they both came from total different environment and upbringing. Manvi came from a care-free and small town environment. Her world revolves around her Di, her family and her punter friends who are kids. Swamini hails from family who strongly upholds to their prestige, pride and discipline. Both are not fully to be blamed, sparks of misunderstanding between them was due to circumstances. The clash of titan has landed Jeevika in dilemma. She has vouched to uphold the Vandhera family's pride and principle as the daughter-in-law. Just because she is fulfilling her responsibility as a DIL of Vandhera, it doesn't mean her love for Manvi has faded.
Jeevika is striving to maintain her balance between her mayka and sasural. Manvi is also striving to cope without Jeevika and learning that there is more to life. Nothing has changed between them; they have just embarked their journey in life. A journey full of obstacles, pain and hardship which may put their bond to test; although it may seem like it is weakening but it will only strengthen them.

Thanks for bearing with my bakwas but if we try understand the sister's from their POV, then the question of who loves who will never arise.


Edited by rev4eva - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: ejaz_biggestfan

I don't know your name, but I just loved your post. I don't think my post will be as long as yours but let's find out.

We have based our knowledge on the sisterly love on what we saw at the beginning of the show in Rishikesh. I have always said Jeevika is more of a mother to Maanvi and Maanvi is more like her child than her sister. As any mother would, she protects her child from others. Whist in Rishikesh the situation was different, a mother is protecting her child against her own family. (Beejii) People who understand both Jeevika and Maanvi and are aware of their nature and bond. In Maanvi's eyes Jeevika is her mother and accepts anything Jeevika will do or say, which is why when Jeevika scolds her it is not from anger, but love. Jeevika loves Maanvi just as much as Maanvi loves Jeevika and her scolding is just trying to get Maanvi to understand the effects her actions.

I completely agree with you, Jeevika is the same, she has not changed since Rishikesh. She her love for her sister has altered, but the their circumstances and the people they live with have changed. Jeevika cannot protect Maanvi in Chandigar like she did in Rishikesh. The Vadhera household is different from her home and she has new responsibilities , as a wife and daughter-in law, she cannot protect her sister, also Maanvi needs to learn these life lessons.

Maanvi doesn't understand the way of the world, even when people try and explain it to her, she still doesn't get it. That's just how she is. Like you said Jeevika can't protect her against people who don't understand both of them. Beeji is one thing but Swamini and Dadaji is something different. 😊

I loved your comment about weird aunts and it is so true. Every family has a weird aunt. In addition, I'm sure if Beejii wasn't Maanvi grandmother and did not know that her intentions are pure would also get irritated by Maanvi antics. However Swamini is past the irritating auntie, she's the ever intervening and one who's always right aunt. There no compromising in her eyes to people she dislikes, but there perfect with the ones she loves.


Hey you can call me RK 😊 love you for replyingg. SOOO MUCH. hahaha. I thinks its only fair if we arent judgemental of the sisterss. They're different and both have the right to believe in their principles about life. Its not about why jeevika has to be such a meek bahu or why maanvi has to be so crazy. Thats just the way they function. 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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THANKYOUUU SOOO MUCH EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO REPLIED.
I love discussionss and am glad all of you are taking the effort to reply to someone not so regular on the forum. :)
hopefully, i'll drop with my analysis more often.

xoxo to those who appreciate it.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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U are sooo right i agree with ur post 98% 2% off cuz i personally think jeevika has changed cuz if u remember on 24th jan 2012 episode jeevika prayed in the church only for viren fair enough viren is her husband but the way it showed at the start of the drama of jeevika's unconditional love for manvi it all has changed even throughout her whole honeymoon she hasnt even mentioned manvi's name whereas manvi still does remember jeevika thats why she wanted to stay away frm vadhera's family provlems but she eventually did get involved! Cuz after all she is maanvi who cant see any1 pain!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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ecstatic about the 98 percent, but she's on her honeymoon and she's a girl, maybe jeevika is the same jeevika except now she has an opportunity to think about love 24/7.

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