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Posted: 13 years ago
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You are right...We are not denying her right to speak to her father or show her concern just because she is single...

But come on as you said even Swamini's in twenty first century why does she want Jeevika to forget all baout Maanvi and her Maayika...That is what beats me!!!!!

She can stay with parents but she says Jeevika's bonding with her sister is not right...this so called loving single siter doesn't care for her unsuccessful brother or try to help and creates melodrama when Maanvi come to wish..Maanvi is childish and is like that where are this 50 year old lady's manner in treating a guest...and her snide comments about tea serving..
Maanvi called the Vadhera house jail..even i would be offended if someone calls my house that...But then even if not Jail Vadhera house is just that...just house not home...or a building not home
People don't leave there instead all are semi robotic creatures...without a heart!!!!!
And when she respects and loves her family and treats her own borthers son as her own what logiv is there in treating Jeevika family without respect everything they said was rejected by her right form the cards...don't you think it was OTT...shouldn't 21 century living woman know till Marriage its only Jeevika's Beeji or parents who have right in what she will wear or whatever she does!!!!!!

So my POV is being a single and loving daughter and the person whose opinion is valued by everyone...she should understand that after marriage Jeevika need not get Amnesia and forget her family or disregard the gifts they send just because Swamini has money to buy a very costly handbag...


I remember my sister in law gave me once a gift of five thousand rupees when i went on honeymoon with my hubby...Both of us earned only moderately and since were newly married I had habit of spending up entire salary on him and my sister in law kids and for that the same sister in law chucked a box of costly cookies i bought for their kids in my face and said i don't wnat such lavish things...you both together earn around 30K per month but need five thousand from me for your honey moon what do you to all your money...I assure you we never asked her for that money but she just wanted to show her high handedness since she was rich and of course her husband earned triple of what we earned!!!!
Edited by uniquebluerose - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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your post comes as a breath of fresh air..and I really liked the views of lilmizsnshine..very pragmatic.. I know what topics you are talking about.. and in fact I even commented against the general theme of the topic.. it was downright disturbing for me to see ppl comment 'like who is going to marry her.. obv thts y she is single and grumpy..' am in fact copy pasting my comment to give light of my view on the whole domestic bias that Swamini carries in this forum..

you mean to suggest that an old unmarried woman has no right to pride.. pride of her convictions.. of her psyche.. interesting tangent you present.. on the contrary her history for me is rather intriguing.. and respect again is also earned not commanded.. V bros till now havent suggested that she commands that respect from them but rather earns it.. so give her some benefit will ya..😃 and secondly.. she is very in line in her behaviour.. doesnt hound one like a dog.. she knows where she can and should call shots.. she mostly does so in Viren's matter as she feels that right by his own compliance.. i for one havent seen her presume the same right over virat.. she keeps her opinion to herself about both inder and virat in spite of dadaji's irk..

my point again being.. if she has the persona and better judgement to take care of some aspects in the family its rather unfair to suggest she has no right by virtue of the fact that she aint married.. or in her mayka.. seriously now.. we dont know what happened.. maybe after her bros death she did get everything together.. even gave up her own life / desire for Viren ... as an outsider its natural for Manvi to find it odd or Jeevika to.. but have we seen any of the waderas taking offense.. heck even Virat being the free spirit has this inherent respect for bua more than dadaji.. never seen him make a dig on her.. in fact respects her .. there must be some reason right..

i dont mind being called a swamini lover.. coz I DO LIKE HER.. and before m branded hiter, mocambo etc.. feel free to read the post yet again with an open mind..

Swamini is just a fictional character.. may be dramatized for effect but negative comments ridiculing her status only reflects on our thoughts and basic biases and the negative connotations we give them in our mind.. the woman is much beyond her marital status.. I love her for how proactive she is.. always doing something.. and her strong personality just adds to her dimensions for me.. i can totally see why she doesnt like manu in her shoes.. manu is just too odd for her.. 😆 I dont mind Swamini.. in fact like some of her traits.. in fact she may be the only woman in the whole show with a strong persona..
Edited by sonali.19281 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I was really happy upon seeing this post.
My only problem with Swamini is that she says that J shouldn't talk to her sister soo much, there was no need to bring Manvi for the birthday. And for this I do blame her unmarried status, I'm assuming she never got married cause they haven't revealed her past, for such presumptions on her part. Since she never had to leave her family she doesn't understand J's pain. Her maayka is her family first and she 'll always love them and give them alot of importance. So yeah, please don't make a face when she wants to open her maayka presents first cause those ppl have brought her up and it's been 3 days to her wedding and she misses them. Also, please don't make faces when she is talking to them on the phone, cause that's the best contact she's going to have with them as they live in a different city.

As far as her being the decision maker is concerned, I don't question her authority but I do at times question her decisions. And I think that's what most ppl on this forum do when they criticise her.

I definitely do not think that she is evil, I don't think anyone on this show is. That's what's great about this show. That everyone has a well defined character and flaws, no Tulsis. Except maybe Jeevika 😆
But I guess her sin (acc to swam and dadaji) would be her love for mannu.

Also, I would like to appreciate the efforts of bua and dadaji for unstilling discipline into their grandsons cause that's very important in today's day and age as boys get spoilt very easily especially if you have soo much money.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonali.19281


you mean to suggest that an old unmarried woman has no right to pride.. pride of her convictions.. of her psyche.. interesting tangent you present.. on the contrary her history for me is rather intriguing.. and respect again is also earned not commanded.. V bros till now havent suggested that she commands that respect from them but rather earns it.. so give her some benefit will ya..😃 and secondly.. she is very in line in her behaviour.. doesnt hound one like a dog.. she knows where she can and should call shots.. she mostly does so in Viren's matter as she feels that right by his own compliance.. i for one havent seen her presume the same right over virat.. she keeps her opinion to herself about both inder and virat in spite of dadaji's irk..

my point again being.. if she has the persona and better judgement to take care of some aspects in the family its rather unfair to suggest she has no right by virtue of the fact that she aint married.. or in her mayka.. seriously now.. we dont know what happened.. maybe after her bros death she did get everything together.. even gave up her own life / desire for Viren ... as an outsider its natural for Manvi to find it odd or Jeevika to.. but have we seen any of the waderas taking offense.. heck even Virat being the free spirit has this inherent respect for bua more than dadaji.. never seen him make a dig on her.. in fact respects her .. there must be some reason right..

i dont mind being called a swamini lover.. coz I DO LIKE HER.. and before m branded hiter, mocambo etc.. feel free to read the post yet again with an open mind..
odd for her.. 😆 I dont mind Swamini.. in fact like some of her traits.. in fact she may be the only woman in the whole show with a strong persona..


Maybe a fe of your points are true...but nope as far as she sometimes throw tampers like a child I remeber the other day for phone call she had three people stand in attention and listen to her rant...isn't it OTT...
In the first few days fo marriage every girl misses her family and so does the family her...and what the hell is wrong with asking a doubt on recipe to Jeevika is it a rule that Maanvi should ask only Beeji or Chachi...even I prefer asking some recipes to particular people...like for south Indian ones I g by my mom, but north Indian dishes I clarify with north Indian di who is our family friend...

And what you said is right she cares only and only for Viren and probably her brother before that being principles and experienced women shouldn't she worry about what Virat wants to do also and worry about Chachji who is her younger brother also...
This is called favoritism and that too with blood relations!!!!! She seems to prefer people who are successful and according to family tradition are lawyers!!!!

I also couldn't take her lies to Viren about not minding Maanvi come there...If she is so sure of her decision she should have openly said...Yes Viren I am not happy she came so make sure to drop her off soon!!!!
And sending Viren on dinner and worrying in front of dadaji...what sense does that make!!!!
The best part was dadji advicing her not to be influenced by other views and do what she wants...seriously does dadji let others do that

Vanshika as far i can see though lets Swamini decide for Viren cares for both!!!!That is called love!!!!

For me more than dicipline humane love is more important...there not only Swamini but also father fails miserably...
Maaanvi though interfering and talking a lot seems to care about not hurting others...and is genuinely repentant

As for the part that the whole family accepts Swamini decision without question...I think its more because of forced respect and habit rather than...her earned respect!!!!!

She needs to reduce her high and mighty attitude no doubt single or whatever may be her status!!!! Richness does not give everything!!!!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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she is still better than the bua in navya :)
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Posted: 13 years ago
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OH THIS IS TURNING OUT TO BE A REALLY WONDERFUL DISCUSSION.
WE ALL HAVE VALID POINTS IN HERE. AND I AM REALLY PLEASED WE ARE ALL EXPRESSING WELL THOUGHT OUT AND POTENT POV's.

THANK YOU TO ALL WHO HIT THE LIKE BUTTON ALL WHO LEFT A COMMENT WHO VIEWED THIS AS SILENT READER...


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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ lilmzsunshine- thanks for your input. I have seen both type of families- one where daughters do so much for their parents and the other where daughters only rule the house with no responsibilities. I wouldn't mind any daughter making a decision for their parents as long as they understand their own responsibilities too.
What I am trying to say is that I hate the double standard when it comes to the daughter and DIL's. It is not fair of expecting a girl to forget everything about their mayaka house after marriage. The bonding a girl has with her parents or siblings can't be replaced. But here Swamini is doing exactly the same thing with Jeevika. That is not fair I think. I do understand that the living situation, rules and regulations in each house differ and that's when you need lot of your mayaka support so that you can settle in this new house. But try's to break these strings will cause bigger void in Jeevika's life.

Coming to my own situation, I live with my inlaws. My MIL is an awesome person, I don't have an issue with here. But still I will always remain an outsider in their family unit. I help her in everyway I can- taking her around to docs, family functions, cook etc despite her unmarried daughter at home. My MIL does a lot for me by keeping kids at home when I am at work.
But the double standard hits when- my SIL ( my hubby's sister) has an issue with me helping my brothers by taking my dad to a doc's appointment. Emmm I take care of you parents all the time. Doesn't make sense to me. Coz my philosophy is that if someone needs help and I am capable of it, no matter what relation they have with me but they will be helped.
It's these double standards are that bother me. The daughter or the son- both have equal responsibilities towards their parents. When our parents did not raise us differently, no one else will tell us to forget them, not help them coz they are not here forever. I will give my life to bring them back for one day.

I relate to Jeevika and her love towards her sister coz my brothers mean everything to me now. :)
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: raji_b

@ lilmzsunshine- thanks for your input. I have seen both type of families- one where daughters do so much for their parents and the other where daughters only rule the house with no responsibilities. I wouldn't mind any daughter making a decision for their parents as long as they understand their own responsibilities too.
What I am trying to say is that I hate the double standard when it comes to the daughter and DIL's. It is not fair of expecting a girl to forget everything about their mayaka house after marriage. The bonding a girl has with her parents or siblings can't be replaced. But here Swamini is doing exactly the same thing with Jeevika. That is not fair I think. I do understand that the living situation, rules and regulations in each house differ and that's when you need lot of your mayaka support so that you can settle in this new house. But try's to break these strings will cause bigger void in Jeevika's life.

Coming to my own situation, I live with my inlaws. My MIL is an awesome person, I don't have an issue with here. But still I will always remain an outsider in their family unit. I help her in everyway I can- taking her around to docs, family functions, cook etc despite her unmarried daughter at home. My MIL does a lot for me by keeping kids at home when I am at work.
But the double standard hits when- my SIL ( my hubby's sister) has an issue with me helping my brothers by taking my dad to a doc's appointment. Emmm I take care of you parents all the time. Doesn't make sense to me. Coz my philosophy is that if someone needs help and I am capable of it, no matter what relation they have with me but they will be helped.
It's these double standards are that bother me. The daughter or the son- both have equal responsibilities towards their parents. When our parents did not raise us differently, no one else will tell us to forget them, not help them coz they are not here forever. I will give my life to bring them back for one day.

I relate to Jeevika and her love towards her sister coz my brothers mean everything to me now. :)


Awww, I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully it doesn't bug you much.

All I can tell you is what I have learned from my experience - you can't change the way others are, but just control how you react to them. It is what it is - they are what they are. Can't do anything about it, so let it be, and be merry.

Swamini sure is not very understanding in her expectation of Jeevika to forget her mayka, but I think she has a heart. She's being strict, but I've learned that most, not all, strict rules have reasons behind them. I'm not justifying, by any long shot, the idea of a girl forgetting all about her mayka after she gets married. But I'm trying to understand Swamini's brain here (tough one :)). Remember she doesnt' like Manvi and where I feel her dislike is pointless and has no grounds, if I accept it then it can justify why she doesn't want her nayi naveli bahu to hang around with and be influenced by someone she dislikes immensely. And that too, if that someone happens to be loved and respected so much her nayi naveli dulhan.

About double standards - ALL I can say is, we ALL have them. Honesty, we all do. We either have displayed them, or will be doing so when we're old enough. But we ALL have them. My parents have them, my in-laws have them, and I'm sure I'll show 'em when my kids are old enough. It's a learned trait, and it'll continue till the world is over. But we should limit it as much as we can ...

Good luck with everything, and a very happy new year!

-S

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