Trying to Understand Gauri's psychology

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Posted: 14 years ago
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I wanted to ask if anyone has any insights into Gauri's psychology.

couple of days ago, I posted as to why anandi needs to justify the need to pursue her abhiyaan by saying that "so many people - bapusa, maa, taisa, dadisa etc. have built their aasha around me. I cannot make them niraash".
I felt this was ridiculous because she could have just said that this was her goal and she could do what she wants to do without justifying it. In any case, nobody had any aasha built around her. They just want her to be occupied and keep her happy. It is not their aspiration for her to bring social change in jayetsar.
At that time, woman 11 gave a nice insight into anandi's psychology -
she said that anandi suffers from a guilt complex, where people feel that to do anything for themselves is a sign of selfishness -- and therefore in order to proceed further, she has to justify her ambition as the aspiration of others so that she doesn't seem selfish. (even to herself).
I loved this!!! 👏👏👏. It makes perfect sense.
Now, my question is whether anyone has similar insights into Gauri's psychology. If yes, I will very much appreciate it.
When Gauri wanted to go to principal to request him to restore their semester, Jagat was against it.
So, all Gauri had to say was "Jagat, I love medicine, and I did not become a doctor to stay at home at Kundatai's. I have ambitions and aspirations of my own"...
But instead she too had a ridiculous reason for wanting to go back to the principal... she told him "Jagat, child marriage tootne ke baad, mein poori tarah se toot chooki thi, yeh books meri pahchan thi, these became my identity. For me being a doctor gave me the social identity which I craved, which I could not achieve through being a beendhni"...
My question is the same for gauri -- why cant she just be honest and say she loves to study medicine and wants to go back to studying?
why does she need to rationalize her wanting to go back to the principal to restore M.S. on the basis of child marriage coming apart? why does she need to make up an excuse and shed tears about the child marriage to convince Jagat to talk to the principal?
Thanks in advance. 😃

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Posted: 14 years ago
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" For me being a doctor gave me the social identity which I craved, which I could not achieve through being a beendhni"...for me this sums up her Psychology, she doesnt luv education lyk Anandi did, she never carved to be a doctor rather used it to shield herself from being a social misfit as she was not accepted as a beendni during childhood.
Now also, she is feeling lyk a rejected bahu, hence to make up for it she is all for studies.

The most important thing for her is not being a doctor or a beendhni , rather it's to be socially accepted, she faced society's rejection in the childhood and now too is not accepted well, so she uses education to justify herself and maintain her self-esteem.

Her constant use of victim card, overlooking the real issues , reeks of her low self assurance , need for dependance and the fact that somehow her trauma is still there.

personally , i cannot understand y she felt so victimized about what happened then , she was a minor, had no real understanding of what was goin on...maybe it was the village talks that fueled her anger and insecurity...but still it doesnt explain how she still hasnt recovered after all she should be happy that it happened, she got educated, lived a city lyf and has a career going.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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" Her constant use of victim card, overlooking the real issues , reeks of her low self assurance , need for dependance and the fact that somehow her trauma is still there.

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Yes. It is pathetic because she feels that she can only accept herself if the singhs accept her. She has totally given away her power and has become completely dependent on the singhs for validation.
"I cant love myself until you love me."
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: charminggenie

" personally , i cannot understand y she felt so victimized about what happened then , she was a minor, had no real understanding of what was goin on...maybe it was the village talks that fueled her anger and insecurity...but still it doesnt explain how she still hasnt recovered after all she should be happy that it happened, she got educated, lived a city lyf and has a career going.

Well - she herself has said that though the panchayat annuled the child marriage, ...after that nobody else wanted to accept her as a daughter-in-law/ marry her. Her father tried at several places and the doors were shut in their faces. Her father also could not find work anywhere. Nobody was willing to hire him. In every village they went to settle in, they were ostracized and thrown out.
I dont think the trauma was of her not beeing a beendhni -- but I am sure in the past, the dad who was frustrated with the situation -- must, in moments of frustration have called gauri "manhoos" and a burden etc. so she probably grew up with that.
Her mother never got over thinking it was a valid marriage -- instead of burning her wedding dress etc. she kept that and the dibbi of sindoor all preserved in gauri's closet. even after gauri finished her mbbs and went home it was still there. when she asked her mom why she still preserves it, her mother said that for her it was a marriage and she doesnt want to burn it and reduce her daughter to being a widow 😭😭😭😭.
So this is why her mom didnt object to her second marriage -- because she has deeply subconsciously believed that this was a correct marriage.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Guess your explanation does throw light on her insecurities and need for approval but still i feel there should be a sense of achievement and awareness that she has not only survived that trauma rather emerged victorious.

her parents and villagers might have been harsh on her but if she too end up wishing that that she should have been the beendhni at that tym then i dont relate..she is different than all those people, she is aware of the social evil...hence her current choices lyk marrying Jagat again, agreeing to bein a keep and blaming anandi should notbe bracketted coz of her trauma.

She should have been strong enough to say a firm no to J, would hav never entered the haveli where she was mocked...

SHe somehow reminds me of Manjari's character from JTYJN who refused to accept the reality and preferred false happiness to keep her sane
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: charminggenie

Guess your explanation does throw light on her insecurities and need for approval but still i feel there should be a sense of achievement and awareness that she has not only survived that trauma rather emerged victorious.

Thank you for putting words to my thoughts. Yes, I too was feeling irritated with gauri but cannot explain why.
This is perfect -- there should be a sense of achievement and awareness that she has emerged victorious from the trauma -
But I think she doesnt see it as victory (her education) I mean.
She only values being the beendhni of the singh household, because if that happens, then in some way, it will be like the past never happened at all and the trauma will be erased.
she got married when she was young, and now is still the beendhni (sort of like there was some kind of continuity - which erases the disruption that happened in the middle).
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Posted: 14 years ago
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FOR so so long i wanted to create a topic same as dis...but dinn do it cos it may cause hurt to u know who:P
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Great Topic Tinoo. My issue is if she had Bade Papa to help her through that turbulent time why is she still feeling this way. Surely Bade Papa, City Life and education were/are more than enough of a positive influence to have her overcome the initial rejection. Why does she feel the need for validation from Singh's when people like Bade Papa validate her? Unless it's not really validation but simple revenge that she craves. Could explain her erratic behaviour which is so contrary to the bindaas, logical adult Gauri that first appeared on the scene.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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its proof tht both G and A.. still sees thmslvs as beendnis somewhere.. tht still both r competing for J and havent moved on...

and firstly, for those conservative girls coming from small town its hard to b career oriented.. or have aspirations and b ambitious.. all their life revolve around their Beends.. both took refuge in studies as another option an alternate way of life... .. G at an early stage and A at a later stage.. and not out of pure desire of achieving something... having a clear vision or goal.. hence the statements..

even today in India, its hard for a working woman to not think of her family, her children, her duties.. ahead of work.. being out and out ambitious is still not her cup of tea.. and its very much men's forte.. especially for middle class families.. thy r moulded tht way.. it wud take atleast a few generations to come out of this mould..😆.. changes cant happen suddenly it has to be gradual process.. one step at a time.. and India its one generation at a time.. 😆 my MIL revolted and brot in some reforms.. now its my turn to break some more old ridiculous rules and/or rectify and bring in new ones..👍🏼 .. wow.. it almost seems like an agenda towards a feminist objective.. 😆 😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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You know its hard to revolt. Specially if you are married at young age.

A went thru the disciplinary sessions with DS when she asked for ghee and was refused. When A refused to eat in jhootha plate then DS yelled at her... She was locked in dark room as a punishment..

But G never wanted to marry at 1st place.. When her parents left her at Singh's Haveli, even then she said she wants to live with her parents. it was G's parents who sold their daughter 1st then they were thrown out from village for that sin. G got a God Father Bade papa who looked after her nicely. I don't think she had any bad memory accept snatched J from A. Now she is scareed and insucure tha A might snatch J from her because she knows that she was wrong. At least

her Conscience knows.

There is a saying Boora karoge toh boora hoga bhala karoge toh bhala hoga..

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