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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: souro


Have you seen questions of IQ tests? They are like aptitude test questions but not concentrated towards any one particular field and measures the general intelligence of the person.
And I didn't get you about jobs being ensured for the deserving. Ain't the deserving person who will get the work. And who talked about reservations?

I guess you meant IQ tests and not apptitude. They are different.
If we were sure about the deserving getting their due we would not have this topic. Let us forget about the reservation of jobs for the time being but even then a lot of jobs are acquired by unfair means eg letter of recomendation from politicians, by virtue of being related to some bigwig, or even by bribing ones way into a job. Merit is not always the criteria for selection.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: crazy_sunny

I guess you meant IQ tests and not apptitude. They are different.

If we were sure about the deserving getting their due we would not have this topic. Let us forget about the reservation of jobs for the time being but even then a lot of jobs are acquired by unfair means eg letter of recomendation from politicians, by virtue of being related to some bigwig, or even by bribing ones way into a job. Merit is not always the criteria for selection.


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Posted: 15 years ago
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I agree with the rationale of aptitude tests. People should have at least a simple cognitive understanding to know what is going on and make rational decisions. No one has to be genius or even educated to pass this.

However, I do not agree with the requirement to be working taxpaying citizens. Not all capable people are employed or earning taxable income. I don't see why a stay at home mom, a full time student, a wealthy trust fund child or even the homeless should be eliminated from voting if they have decision making ability.

The problem implementing any such system in democracies is the logistics. Administering and monitoring such tests is expensive and can be a logistical nightmare in populous countries like India. Even before it goes ahead there will be judicial challenges in redefining or fine tuning constitutional equality. When it does fall into place it will still be self defeating as it would be planned and executed by a corrupt, dishonest or even downright stupid bureaucracy resulting from generations of fools electing their kings of fools.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

I agree with the rationale of aptitude tests. People should have at least a simple cognitive understanding to know what is going on and make rational decisions. No one has to be genius or even educated to pass this.

However, I do not agree with the requirement to be working taxpaying citizens. Not all capable people are employed or earning taxable income. I don't see why a stay at home mom, a full time student, a wealthy trust fund child or even the homeless should be eliminated from voting if they have decision making ability.

The problem implementing any such system in democracies is the logistics. Administering and monitoring such tests is expensive and can be a logistical nightmare in populous countries like India. Even before it goes ahead there will be judicial challenges in redefining or fine tuning constitutional equality. When it does fall into place it will still be self defeating as it would be planned and executed by a corrupt, dishonest or even downright stupid bureaucracy resulting from generations of fools electing their kings of fools.


I said tax paying because I wanted to include only those people who are contributing to the nation in a constructive way. Although, yes every working person contributes something even if they don't earn enough to pay taxes but I wanted to restrict it to only those whose contribution is significant and easily measurable. Yes, it can be argued, significant for who, how much is significant and who gets to decide it, but for now I'm just taking taxes as a measure and taking tax payers as significant contributors.

I am against students indulging in politics. They might know everything about how to run a country and how parliament functions, but I don't know that for sure and neither are they doing anything at that point of time to improve the condition of the country. Yes they are preparing themselves so that they can contribute in future and I'm saying we will let them vote in future too. So, why do they need to jump in right then? Is it just because at present the eligible age is fixed at 18 in India?
As for someone living off trust funds, I don't know how exactly it works. If the fund is invested in something and even if it's not the beneficiary but the trustee board in whose name the tax is filed, ultimately tax is being paid.
The only thing that doesn't sound right is excluding those housewives who have enough intelligence and knowledge to choose an intelligent leader. Maybe, something can be worked out for them too, since they do play a very important role without getting to earn a fixed salary or profits.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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So it would not be fair to restrict voting rights to tax payers when there there may be non tax payers (by virtue of their being jobless though no fault of theirs)
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

I agree with the rationale of aptitude tests. People should have at least a simple cognitive understanding to know what is going on and make rational decisions. No one has to be genius or even educated to pass this.

How about making the election candidate also take this test There must be some minimum qualifying criteria along with some reputation regarding honesty, and capability
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: crazy_sunny

How about making the election candidate also take this test There must be some minimum qualifying criteria along with some reputation regarding honesty, and capability



Of course everyone involved in the democratic process should have some competency - Leaders, voters as well as all levels of civil service.

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