Analysis of the Show... - Page 2

Sweet_Waters: Thank you for your sweet words. Like you said, a second elope will raise our tensions but also has the deciding factor to make clear to Rudra and Pihu they are not for each other. And the reason for this is because individuals in first love tend to build a certain image of the other person in their head. And in this case, they both need to find out for certain that the romantic image of the other is a mirage; otherwise, somewhere in their own hearts and in our minds as audience, we will doubt whether they simply settled with their own spouses because they could not find their way back to each other.

I do like how Gauri looks in the drama, and I think at least part of the charm of the story can center on how she adjusts to life in the mansion. I want her to make social faux pas in the initial stages but become determined to learn and prove herself a fast learner to Rudra's family. I want Gauri to earn grudging respect for her skills as a hostess and as a daughter-in-law of Rudra's illustrious family. Naturally this will prove difficult initially because she is not of the wealthy strata and only educated up to only 10^th standard which makes the above not only a gap of social class but also education and background between her family and his. So, I want her to learn sophistication, presentation, and art of handling herself in social situations. But I want her to do this with aplomb, without losing her confidence as a person or her self-respect. And yes, I also want her to portray the part of a beautiful wife because at least that can be a factor in her favor since in the eyes of Rudra's family she lacks any other qualities to make for him his perfect sangini.

And yes, you are right and I agree. I absolutely do not want Gauri to turn into a watering pot but rather I wish her to remain as a strong female character who has the inner strength and determination to stand up to anything, anyone anyplace. I loved what you wrote about them finding solace in each other because it is this only which they can at this time accept from one another as they seek to redefine the boundaries of their new relationship.

*4rom heaven*: Yup, I also agree. Love will be a turning factor in the story and in particular Rudra's characterization. And how aptly you've said that this will make him realize that the cards fate dealt him were not the worst as he now imagines but the best. (Waiting and daydreaming—winks.)

ash_cosmic: Thank you, Ash. That was very wonderful of you to say; I am glad I made your day. And our love of literature then is a source of commonality between us. I will think on the fan fiction suggestion, but I do not make any promises. But I am glad for your comments, Ash.

..Sonii..: Aww, thanks for your words. (Hugs.)

jakr: Thanks for this, I must say, as you've highlighted what I want too. Like you, I wish Gauri to remain a strong female character—and yes, writers, please—without any of the histrionics, in particular long crying bouts, that have become the trademark of soap opera heroines. I also don't want Rudra to turn sugary or syrupy but I do want to see him soften but not unbearably so because I want Rudra to retain the "quality" and heat of his personality. However, I want Rudra to focus the passion that turns him into a self-destructive and savage Hulk at times constructively into goal-oriented projects like maybe opening his own business because I do see in him an independent and reckless streak that would make him the perfect personality to be a risk-taker by refusing to join his family's business and instead opening his own (which I believe would also make for great viewing as we viewers taste the further tension that arises between father and son on account of differences). Like you, I too hope the creative in the writers' room take care to maintain the elemental underlying attraction of the story—second chance at love born from an unlikely friendship—because that is a crucial part of the plot construction that will make us believe that our modern-day "Devdas" should see beyond the loss of "Paro" to the eyes of a patient "Chandramukhi" that express a silent, deep and abiding love of him even knowing that the one whom she shows her love to is also one from whom she can have no expectation. But this will require writers to show an expert and a delicate hand in grounding the equilibrium that must be maintained before love is introduced on Rudra's part: On one hand the writers must show that the leads have a friendship (or understanding of one another) but on the other hand show that the friendship is in one sense "impossible" or an "untrue definition of their relationship" because they also have this "something else" always between them that will forever make them come together as magnetic attractors (spiritually). And this "something else" must encompass physical attraction in a large part but not be its defining whole

koolchick: (High-five!) Great minds think alike, I want to state, by which I mean to say "thank you" in my own manner for sharing your great mind on a page of this thread. Oh! I would simply love, love, love to see some groveling on the part of the spouses after they do run away only to realize that their true equals and only loves have been left behind. I agree with you—no quick forgiving—please, no! I want to see Pihu and Rudra going back and making efforts to earn their acceptance again as you've emphasized. Brilliantly you've managed to capture the essence of what I would wish to see happen. Oh, you know, I too wish for Gauri's father to be rich, and though I didn't think about this until you said this, I too would love to see Rajrani put in her place by him mostly because Rajrani is the uncontested queen of the household and needs another strong personality to make her realize that her airs as a queen is at least slightly misplaced.

I will think on the fan fiction suggestion but I am still myself waiting to see how the creatives unfold the story on the screen. (Smiles.) You really are a cool chick, ya know! (Winks.)

Rach1: Aww, you're welcome anytime. And thanks too. Also, I found in your words great further thinking points.

I think Rudra's character graph (if done correctly) can make us as viewers believe in how Gauri's love that is without conditions but not without self-respect can heal and lead a man to accept (without wanting to) the one who loves without conditions. And this can happen when we see that Rudra only believed Pihu was his "love" because he believed wrongly that she was his strength. And this happen when Rudra himself also slowly realizes (at the same time as you said we audience see) that Gauri's patience, perseverance, tutelage, and love (as you so beautifully said) make him strong and pick himself up and improve the quality of his life by making him start to stop drowning in pity and become a truly strong, responsible, confident character that is a "hero" not the least fazed by any challenges or downs just as Gauri does not allow herself to be because her life in poverty taught her to be resilient. If Rudra learns the difference between the strength that Gauri gives him and what he thought was his strength (i.e. Pihu), then we can see Rudra try to soften (and romantically inclined) towards Gauri.

I mentioned another character to come onto the scene for Gauri not because I want a pentangle because we already have a quadrangle (Rudra-Gauri-Pihu-Abhay) but because I want Rudra to not take Gauri for granted. Rudra tends to take the people who support him of those that do (as most of his family does not) for granted, the prime examples of which are Daadu and Ketki bhabi. So, rather than see that happen in the show (with Gauri also), I want another man introduced who is a contender for Gauri's attention but not affection. By that, I mean I want someone who is good-looking enough and enough attentive to Gauri that Rudra starts to feel jealous and threatened. And the reason I say this is because Champu, Gauri's ex-fianc, was a chump and so much so that Rudra never felt threatened by Gauri's relationship and in fact encouraged the blossoming of their relationship because he knew that Gauri's marriage to Champu would not make any difference to him (by way of her friendship). But what if Champu had not been a Mama's boy? What if the man had been a serious and seriously good-looking and also well-off? Would Rudra have felt the same? Would Rudra then have wanted to then encourage the relationship? I believe the answer to these questions is no because Rudra is at heart also possessive of the people whom he cares for and who he believes care for him. Therefore, I want Rudra to see a man whom Gauri shares a comfort level with who is also her champion (but not her love interest) whom I want Rudra to misunderstand as someone interested in Gauri so that Rudra can then work out for himself that Gauri matters to him more than a friend and means more to him than simply "sanjog se bani sangini."

I think for a man like Rudra who has a tendency to look back on the past and have regrets it is seriously important to have closure with Pihu (and that can happen when he sees Pihu was never made for him nor was he made for her though they as people brought up together dreamt so once upon a time).

Rajrani is someone whom I want slowly to change from seeing Gauri as her unwanted daughter-in-law to seeing Gauri as someone whom she can trust and want as a daughter. And I want this to happen primarily because I think Gauri and Rudra's relationship already has internal dimension of tension and does not need the constant extra external dimension of tension which as a force already exists because of Rudra's family being overall very high in the instep on the social ladder rung. Moreover, during the time Rudra and Pihu run away together (which I want to see), I want Rajrani to support Gauri and that cannot happen unless Rajrani actually learns to like Gauri. Or maybe the liking needs to occur in a dramatic incident/fashion which makes clear to Rajrani how resourceful Gauri is and not a poor choice for a daughter-in-law. And also because I think Rajrani and Gauri can both benefit from one another; Rajrani can teach Gauri from her life experience and Gauri can teach her how she can give the woman behind the veneer of a wealthy and socially respectable woman free reign to become the mother and kind of wife she wished to be/had been. I do not think Rajrani needs to necessarily transform even maybe but I do know I do not want the focal point of the story to be how the villainess mother-in-law keeps Gauri and Rudra's relationship always from progressing in the right direction because the internal dimension of tension in the relationship between Gauri and Rudra needs to be highlighted without outside influence (as that might in my humble opinion be a creative's crutch and cop-out that inevitably cheats the audience of seeing the marital journey and its ups and downs develop organically from the leads themselves).

nycsweetie: Aw, thanks.

Originally posted by: ekumeed

Sweet_Waters: Thank you for your sweet words. Like you said, a second elope will raise our tensions but also has the deciding factor to make clear to Rudra and Pihu they are not for each other. And the reason for this is because individuals in first love tend to build a certain image of the other person in their head. And in this case, they both need to find out for certain that the romantic image of the other is a mirage; otherwise, somewhere in their own hearts and in our minds as audience, we will doubt whether they simply settled with their own spouses because they could not find their way back to each other.

I do like how Gauri looks in the drama, and I think at least part of the charm of the story can center on how she adjusts to life in the mansion. I want her to make social faux pas in the initial stages but become determined to learn and prove herself a fast learner to Rudra's family. I want Gauri to earn grudging respect for her skills as a hostess and as a daughter-in-law of Rudra's illustrious family. Naturally this will prove difficult initially because she is not of the wealthy strata and only educated up to only 10^th standard which makes the above not only a gap of social class but also education and background between her family and his. So, I want her to learn sophistication, presentation, and art of handling herself in social situations. But I want her to do this with aplomb, without losing her confidence as a person or her self-respect. And yes, I also want her to portray the part of a beautiful wife because at least that can be a factor in her favor since in the eyes of Rudra's family she lacks any other qualities to make for him his perfect sangini.

And yes, you are right and I agree. I absolutely do not want Gauri to turn into a watering pot but rather I wish her to remain as a strong female character who has the inner strength and determination to stand up to anything, anyone anyplace. I loved what you wrote about them finding solace in each other because it is this only which they can at this time accept from one another as they seek to redefine the boundaries of their new relationship.

And please do post FF's if you can....I really loved reading your analysis....

Laila2009:

Thanks for your words. That was very sweet of you to say. And I am so happy to see you've written a detailed analysis of your own in the post for this thread which I want to say, "Thanks. And kudos!"


You know, I know you're right. However, the consummation hold-off is an integral part of what bothers me in these shows primarily because not only is this overdone on television but I believe that the single-minded focus on the issue is primarily why a particular show or the other loses "heat" after being shown that the couple has become lovers. After all, if the audience is led to believe the overarching theme is the hold-off (because that is what the show exclusively dangles in terms of "waiting"), then of course viewers are going to get bored after they see its occurrence. But that is mainly why I don't want to see the same repeat of the hold-off in this show because I honestly think this show can carry itself even after showing consummation because of how writers can use the presence of the intimacy to portray how Rudra does not believe his heart can be a home for Gauri...and the theme instead can keep its sight on Rudra realizing how kismet did not cheat him in giving Gauri for his sangini. And the truth is that lust does not usually forbid a man from making love to his wife in real life either even if he believes his heart is reserved for someone else. Also, I want Rudra-Gauri to develop their love story slowly in that I wish for Rudra to keep falling for Gauri without realizing he is in fact falling for her (because I want part of him to live in the past even when we as audience see him moving forward under the tutelage and caring of Gauri). And I also want to see how the friendship between Gauri and Rudra is the glue between them but that this friendship has other elements and its underlying tension is described in my response to jakr which I think is applicable in our discussion:

"Like you, I too hope the creative in the writers' room take care to maintain the elemental underlying attraction of the story—second chance at love born from an unlikely friendship—because that is a crucial part of the plot construction that will make us believe that our modern-day 'Devdas' should see beyond the loss of 'Paro' to the eyes of a patient 'Chandramukhi' that express a silent, deep and abiding love of him even knowing that the one whom she shows her love to is also one from whom she can have no expectation. But this will require writers to show an expert and a delicate hand in grounding the equilibrium that must be maintained before love is introduced on Rudra's part: On one hand the writers must show that the leads have a friendship (or understanding of one another) but on the other hand show that the friendship is in one sense 'impossible' or an 'untrue definition of their relationship' because they also have this 'something else' always between them that will forever make them come together as magnetic attractors (spiritually). And this 'something else' must encompass physical attraction in a large part but not be its defining whole."

I don't want the consummation to happen instantly...but I want it to happen without love in the story that is developing between Rudra and Gauri. Also, I think were the consummation to be delayed, I don't believe it would suit the character of Rudra because he is a very physical person (and the only reason he did not consummate his love with Pihu was because Pihu would/did not let him). And the truth is that he is shown to always have felt this nameless "something" for and connection to Gauri which I think could be exploited by creatives as a means of bringing home to us the attraction of the leads without the love on his part (at least in the beginning).

You know, I do feel that the softening of Rudra's mother should happen before he himself becomes romantically inclined towards Gauri...because I want Rudra to dislike the bond between his wife and mother...because I want him to realize that together the women have the power to lead him by the nose. And at this point in time I want him to turn even more stubborn and "dig in his heels" so-to-speak by living in denial (of how he loves Gauri) and maintaining that Pihu is his first love who will always be first with him in his heart. But when the actual chance happens that allows him to be with Pihu, I want him to realize that...Gauri has made a home in his soul.

As for another character that comes onto the scene for Gauri, I know what you mean and I agree in part because I do want the male character to make the entry but not be a romantic interest of Gauri because of this (as relayed to Rach1):

"I mentioned another character to come onto the scene for Gauri not because I want a pentangle because we already have a quadrangle (Rudra-Gauri-Pihu-Abhay) but because I want Rudra to not take Gauri for granted. Rudra tends to take the people who support him of those that do (as most of his family does not) for granted, the prime examples of which are Daadu and Ketki bhabi. So, rather than see that happen in the show (with Gauri also), I want another man introduced who is a contender for Gauri's attention but not affection. By that, I mean I want someone who is good-looking enough and enough attentive to Gauri that Rudra starts to feel jealous and threatened. And the reason I say this is because Champu, Gauri's ex-fianc, was a chump and so much so that Rudra never felt threatened by Gauri's relationship and in fact encouraged the blossoming of their relationship because he knew that Gauri's marriage to Champu would not make any difference to him (by way of her friendship). But what if Champu had not been a Mama's boy? What if the man had been a serious and seriously good-looking and also well-off? Would Rudra have felt the same? Would Rudra then have wanted to then encourage the relationship? I believe the answer to these questions is no because Rudra is at heart also possessive of the people whom he cares for and who he believes care for him. Therefore, I want Rudra to see a man whom Gauri shares a comfort level with who is also her champion (but not her love interest) whom I want Rudra to misunderstand as someone interested in Gauri so that Rudra can then work out for himself that Gauri matters to him more than a friend and means more to him than simply 'sanjog se bani sangini.'"

But I can see why this idea would not appeal to some people. Still, I don't know why but I want to see the jealous side of Rudra concerning Gauri. And I think this storyline has potential (if handled correctly). However, if the creatives show this storyline only to create misunderstanding or show a rehash of a triangle (Rudra-Gauri-Stranger) in typical soap opera love stories, then this idea will I believe flop.

Lol. Imaginative or no, I think a wealthy dad would be a point of strength for Gauri. And great minds think alike... So, yup, wealthy.

Lol. No, you're not boring me with the traditional romantic scenarios of eye locking and others. I like them but I just want them presented in a very unique manner just as the boat scene was or the lotus scene. Mainly, I want them to engage in a unique type of romance because I think this can be its unique selling proposition to the audience. You know, like you, I really don't want Gauri to turn into a watering pot or weak character who keeps constantly sacrificing to have the audience feel sorry for her...because instead I want to see her so strong and practical that I want to feel sorry for anyone who crosses Gauri because of how I want her (shown as) always managing to come out on top. In fact, I want to see Gauri firm, not crying, accepting of the curves lives throws her but not ever giving up and instead daring challenges in life to get her down, and I want this very attitude of hers to earn grudging respect from her in-laws and others. And I want this attitude of Gauri's to continually inspire Rudra into using his energies productively in goal-oriented projects such as opening his own business (because I see in him a reckless and independent streak that would make him the perfect candidate to opt out of joining his father's business) which would also make for great tension in the show between father-son. Also, I want Gauri to show Rudra how curbing his anger and channeling it healthily can result in great things happening to him which make him into a strong, mature, and responsible man (that can look beyond to playing "Devdas").

"Aur bhi gham hai zamane mein mohabbat ke siva rahaatein aur bhi hain" [Other griefs exist in the world besides love and other means of relief as well], once said Faiz Ahmed Faiz. And I simply have to agree. Now Rudra only has to realize that.

@laila and ekumeed - I would prefer to see any intimacies between them to happen after both are in love. I just dont like it to happen when only one is in love and the other is being a husband bound by duty.

koolchick: (High-five!) Great minds think alike, I want to state, by which I mean to say "thank you" in my own manner for sharing your great mind on a page of this thread. Oh! I would simply love, love, love to see some groveling on the part of the spouses after they do run away only to realize that their true equals and only loves have been left behind. I agree with you'no quick forgiving'please, no! I want to see Pihu and Rudra going back and making efforts to earn their acceptance again as you've emphasized. Brilliantly you've managed to capture the essence of what I would wish to see happen. Oh, you know, I too wish for Gauri's father to be rich, and though I didn't think about this until you said this, I too would love to see Rajrani put in her place by him mostly because Rajrani is the uncontested queen of the household and needs another strong personality to make her realize that her airs as a queen is at least slightly misplaced.

I will think on the fan fiction suggestion but I am still myself waiting to see how the creatives unfold the story on the screen. (Smiles.) You really are a cool chick, ya know! (Winks.)

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From the analysis of this entire thread, my mind isn't as great as yours😆
You honestly should be hired as the creative scriptwriter for the show...the ratings would increase dramatically😛

Hi luv_cid_shreya:

You know you've done your own wonderful share of the explanation which I find very refreshing to read. Thanks so much for writing. So sweet and beautiful of you to write. I apologize for taking time to get back to you.

I never thought about it, but your words did make me reflect on how you are right: Gauri did/does seem to possess a shield that protected/protects her from the outside world which is why she is largely able to stand as such a strong woman on her own two feet. I think this shield has by surprise been permeated by love of Rudra, which is why the audience sees now a vulnerable and softer side of her. But I believe the audience can expect the stronger Gauri (hopefully) when she is able to move away from the surprise and begin to think rationally about everything instead of being caught by surprise, the most recent being the baraat. I might not agree with the baraat, but I did find the scene and dialogue on its own merit (if not taken part of the storyline) beautiful. I especially loved when he calls her "Parvati" as he does the same when they get off the boat (I believe) and she scolds him that her name is not Parvati but Gauri. Lol. That scene remains as one of the highlights of the show in my mind, inspiring and inspirational. Scenes like that give my imagination wings to fly...(Sighs.)

Keep participating. Thanks so much.

Sincerely,
Ek Umeed