Postmortem-- what happened on 29th oct - Page 4

Originally posted by: cxw1065

Mujhe yeh nahin bhoolna chahiye tha ke iss derial ka naam "Geet HUI SABSE PARAI" hai

The CVs were honest from the moment they created the show-- with three simple words,they told us that she was going to be alone in the world, they told us that no matter what we thought, at some point this girl was going to have to stand on her own two feet, and fight the world. We were so blinded by the maaneet relationship that we forgot that this is Geet's story, that it is about HER battle in the world

I've been lying to myself I suppose, burying my doubts about the Maaneet relationship--burying my little worries about the inequalities between them, but the signs have been there

There are several instances in their relationship where I have felt uncomfortable:

The most striking was when Maan brings Geet back from the train station-- I know he wants to break the tension between them, but the way he chose to remind her that he has always helped her and that she would not have managed in Delhi without him-- that always sat uncomfortably with me; at that moment, did we really have to be reminded of the great discrepancy between them. It showed me that MSK, no matter how much he loves her, does feel superior to her-- in a way, he may even like having her so dependent on him--If I'm going to really go to town, i think it has to do with his trust issues-- he likes having her need him for everything ,because he knows that she can't manage without him-- this helps him deal with his deep insecurity, and lets him believe that she will never leave him. I've always said that he's insecure about her, and I think he feels that her financial and physical need for him (I mean in terms of house and home, rahter than the other kind of phyicality) will keep her bound to him

this comment of MSK has faced a lot of criticisms already in this forum....though i hv completely different take on this....

here the words spoken by maan were not wat he actually meant....there were lines between them which most of us including geet missed....

wat maan actually was saying is that he cant live widout her....his ego did not let him say those words and so he said those controversial words to scare her to stay back...that he was wrong he realised immediately wen geet challenged him back and began walking away....but again his ego stopped him from saying further....

ego....every man's greatest enemy....

The next was How grateful Geet was shown to be-- she keeps asking him-- Aap itne accha kyun hain, aap ka dil itna bada kaise hai, aap mere liye sab itna kaise karsakte hain?? It's not healthy for there to be so much gratitude in a relationship, for her to feel so beholden to him. There needs to be more equality, it needs to be shown that he needs her as much as she needs him-- and it needs to be shown that the characters are AWARE that he is as dependent on her as she is on him.

gratitude...this word is something i never wanted to use in maneet relation...i hv repeatedly said that maan's love goes a long back....i dunno if anyone wud agree but i hv always felt that his love for geet took life in hoshiyarpur days itself...although of course he realised much later....

learning of geet's pregnany came at a time wen maan was already besotted with her....she had already become a core part of his life...although shock and anger made him leave her alone in the church....but he cudnt do away with his care and concern for her....and eventually after hearing everything in the locked conference room he brought her back in his life...

for maan it was actions of love....if he was doing ehsaan then it was on himself rather than on geet....because it is he who cannot live widout geet....

personally i feel emotionally men r weaker than girls....outwardly it may not seem so because they dont drop tears so easily....

i know everything is sounding very emotional....but i believe this is what makes human race different from others in this world...our actions r most of the times controlled by our emotions....

unlike maan...geet has another imp thing in her life to concentrate and that is her unborn baby....while maan has nothing except geet....she has the baby with whom she can spend her life after losing maan....

but...yes i do agree from geet's POV maan has done a lot for her and although she loves him deepily cant also help feel grateful towards him....

but, such things cant be helped....since she has decided to keep the baby....then whoever man will come into her life (if not maan)...will hv to accept her with her past....and if geet takes this as ehssan then i hv just one question...y keep the baby as symbol of ur past....keeping the baby will always cloud her judgement of maan's feelings....she will always feel that maan is doing ehsaan even if on maan's part it is only love....

So then we come to Thursday's episode

So, the beginning-- we see Maan again, supporting her-- no matter what I think about how superior he feels, I can't deny how much he loves her

This man literally worships the ground she walks on, in fact I think he needs to keep hold of his feleing of superiority simply to keep himself from turning into a complete joru-ka-ghulam.

So he's there, in front of the media-- and every question they've asked themselves, every question that was thrown at them by NT, everything that they're going to have to deal with, (and thats not even including the revelation about the pregnancy I think)-- its all thrown at them when they're unprepared, when they're vulnerable, when they're already in the middle of a discussion about her leaving him.

And he reacts, reacts to protect her, reacts to protect his love...........and she's left shaken, shaken at the barrage of question thrown at them and shaken at the response he gives. Whilst they've talked about their relationship before the whole Dev dhamaka-- she surely thought after it all happened that they would not be wed, and for her to then hear than he wanted to marry her immediately-- it's a lot to take. No matter how much he loves her and she loves him-- at that moment, without even having discussed marriage in all its detail PRIOR to the whole revelation-- for Maan to then decide to marry her TOMORROw and then announce it to the w orld without even discussing it with her-- its a lot to take.

after learning of dev issue....things rapidly unfurled...he got dev arrested and the next day he and geet were attacked by media and tens of provoking questions were thrown at them....

in such situation where media ppl constantly shower a person with hard-hitting questions....that person usually gets agitated and disturbed and makes all sorts of announcements that he himself were not planning in the near future...generally in such cases ppl tend to say "no comments"....but here maan made an error and instead of choosing to remain silent he announced his marriage to geet....plz notice that he lost control only wen one journo threw a humiliating question at geet....he can tolerate anything but not geet's humiliation....

And then there's that beautiful scene in the car-- a moment of stillness in the eye of the storm. He tells her he wants to marry her, FOR REAL-- and asks her - FOR REAL-- with the FULL KNOWLEDGE of everything that is in HER past. Of course, his past is still an abyss of darkness, a darkness that is going to swallow them both whole at some time in the future-- I'm sure of that-- but at that moment, they're at peace, they're happy.

God, I hate mobile phones-- I hate them in real life, I hate them in TV shows, i JUsT HATE THEM

Dadi calls and Munda goes running-- goes to the woman who is still the most important in his life-- Geet has not yet quite made that position, not yet.

here...i diagree....both dadi and geet hold equal importance in his life....on getting the call he decided to leave because he felt that he shud talk to dadi first about his marriage decision....already after getting inside the car he was repenting that he made the announcement widout asking geet first....and now on getting dadi's call....he realised that dadi's permission is that much important as geet's consent....

he has confidence in geet that she wud say yes but he has a doubt over dadi's reply since dev truth has come out....so he had to talk to dadi first...

He goes, secure in his love-- leaving her behind to think of him and dream, for a little while.

Maan's love for GEET is huge, however flawed it is (for he is a man not an angel, a deeply flawed arrogant man) but his love comes with conditions. I don't think he realises that there is a condition attached to his love-- but looking back and watching this episode again, I realise that his love is conditional on GEET never questioning his love, and never asking him to voice it.

here too....i hv my POV....maan has always told geet that for him love is truth and honesty....which goes with the saying that if geet doubts his honesty....then it comes down to the fact that she doubts his love....

but....in this case....maan had more reason to feel hurt....geet told him that she heard his convo with dadi....and maan concluded that she heard everything including the part where he said that geet is his life....therefore wen geet was questioning him that y he wants to marry her...he was confused and hurt...

so, i dont see how the last epi indicates that maan's love is conditional...

again thatz ur POV....and u r entitled to that....

I think this is again down to his insecurity, he feels that his every action should be enough to show her that he loves her-- I don't think he feels capable of exposing himself to her in that way. I think that maybe he would have done it once they were married, perhaps on the suhaag raat that we may have to wait a very long time for now-- I think that at that point he may have felt secure enough in her love to open himself up to her completely. BUt now, it's almost as if he is testing her by never saying the words-- testing to see whether she understands that his emotions and declarations are in his actions. She fails the test, as he expected-- bt more on that later

@bold....if maan feels that way i dont think he is wrong....if i had maan in my life doing all those things that he did for geet....i wud feel that he loves me like crazy....this is entirely my girlish POV...his actions hv always been so expressive i never felt he needs to put his emotions in words....

So Munda goes to Dadi, and there his world comes crashing down around his ears. I think Maan is very alone, and he's experienced bereavement and he's felt what it's like to be estranged from his Dadi. Thanks to Geet, he's regained a relationship with his Dadi, and to be faced with a world in which Dadi may not be alive- to have to face the fact that Dadi is not immortal and she may leave this world distraught over Dev; is it any wonder that munda goes against his principles and gets Dev two hours parole???

I'm unhappy that the CVs felt that they had no option but to go down the good old BIG- MIS track (the BIG-MIS is a tried and tested M&B genre, and of course much beloved of indian TV serials-- the question is how well the track is done, and whether it is stretched to infinity, or to the point where OUR vishwas and bharosa are destroyed). I wish there had been another way to introduce this track-- it seems so cliched to have her hear only the most damning part of hte conversation-- seriously, this is one thing that FROM THE START of the serial I BEGGED the CVs to not include.

But the part of the conversation she hears IS damning-- and feeds into each of her doubts

GEET HANDa is only 18-21 (whichever you chose to believe, she is very young)-- she's been through so much-- for those who would like a little run down, I guide you to SAfi's post regarding the topic. She's already got doubts, for like every one of us, she must have been asking herself whether men such as MSK really do exist.

i dont want to comment on age issue...i hv aleady done that in my other posts...and i am tired of it....as for her doubts....i really feel pity for her that she has let dev's betrayal affect her so much that she is not ready to embrace the true love of her life with an open mind and an open heart....

Remember what he has done so far so far, he's saved her life, given her a job, given her a home, accepted her with her pregnancy and then thrown his brother into jail for her. It seems too good to be true. (Of course she's forgotten that he treated her like dirt for a good portion of their time together, he sacked her, he physically abused her, he had to be locked into a conference room to listen to her-- love sometimes makes you forget all the bad stuff)

well....that love is blind is eternal truth....it makes u turn a blind eye to the flaws of ur partner....if love were not blind....then love stories like romeo-juliet, heer-ranjha, and now maan-geet wudnt exist because every person has his/her share of flaws....

So there she is, not quite believing that things could be so good for her-- a doubt in her heart that Babaji finally meherbaan horahe hain. She's unsure, she's doubtful, she feels a sword of damocles hanging over her head-- and as she approaches Dadi's room, the sword falls, severing the fragile thread binding her to happiness.

Geet hears Maan talking to Dadi, and it all starts making a terrible kind of sense to her. I don't think she doubts that he once cared for her, I think she believes that the revelations about Dev and her past have killed any romantic notions in his heart.

Remember that Geet comes from a family where she was almost killed for the family honour. It makes sense to her that Maan should be willing to marry her to save the family honour-- whichever example of marriage she's seen in her life, its not like she expects any kindness after marriage, or even for a married couple to have any love between them. The last time a man wooed her and claimed to want to marry her, she ended up betrayed and dumped-- at this time, she finds that the second man she's given her heart to seems to want to marry her for a reason other than love, and it all begins to take shape in her head. (Remember her family, remember her background-- they shape and alter every thought in her head)

here....i agree with u completely that her family background has been such that she can easily doubt maan that he is using her for his family's honour....

but....

this is where the CVs went wrong....wen a girl like geet who has went thru so much in her past must learn to see and hear everthing properly before reaching to any conclusion....she knew that the portion of the convo she heard was not the whole part...therefore she was wrong in judging maan based on wat she heard....

To be fair to poor Maan, his dialogues to Dadi, if heard in full, would have melted even the hardest of hearts and eliminated all her doubts. His declaration that Geet is his zindagi-- ufffff, mein marjawan. The only problem is that he makes the declaration to the WRONG woman-- agar yahi shabd Geet se boldeta, kabhi bhi, kahin bhi, to is waqt yeh kashmakash Geet ke dil mein nahin hoti.

i dont get it....maan told dadi that geet is his life....but this sentence he has already told to geet in the raliway station....actually maan has already confessed to geet in many ways and at many times how much she means to him....but everything that he has said and done got erased from geet's mind on seeing dev in the house....

this hapnd only because her hatred for dev is very strong...and now i feel her hatred is even stronger than her love for maan....

Then the dupatta scene

Again a misunderstanding arises-- he thinks at that time that she's heard the whole of his declaration, and so understands how much he loves her-- in some ways he's relieved that she knows the depth of his love, but he's not had to actually expose himself to her face to face, eye to eye. But this adds in to the disaster later on, when they are truly face to face and she asks why he wants to marry her. In Maan's mind, she's already heard his declaration, she's already acknowledged that she knows he loves her-- why does she want him to expose himself, does she want to make him weak in the same way that sameera did (ok, I admit that's massive speculation on my part, but it makes sense)

And then the world intrudes into their little world again, reminding him that he is not only Geet's Maan but also MSK, head of KC and responsible to it's board of directors. He leaves Geet behind protected in the citadel of the Khurana Parivaar, safe from the prying eyes of the world, not realising that Ravan can enter this citadel too, that the Lakshman in this story is Ravan in disguise and that the walls he hoped would keep Geet safe are actually home to Ravan too.

Geet holds on to her love for a few last moments, sure that God wouldn't be so cruel as to show her happiness only to snatch it away again-- he has been so cruel to her so far that it must make sense that the tide has to turn eventually-- why not now. She decides that she'll go to KC- the place where she first fell for Maan and where she got to know the man behind the growls.

But alas, on her way there, she comes face to face with her past-- and her mind rules her heart; at that moment is it any wonder that she can't bear any more and that she can't process any more-- she's in shock. At that moment, the only thing which could have made things better would have been if Maan embraced her and clearly enunciated everything.

Maan stands like a king surveying his council, and declares that GEET is his queen and soon to be queen of all she surveys-- there is no doubt in his mind. (Can I just emerge from my rehash of the episode to say HOW UNBELIEVABLY HOT DOES MSK LOOK--- THE MAN THE YUMMY YUMMY MAN THAT IS MSK IS BACK)

He lays down the law to the board of directors and then turns to leave, the victorious knight ready to return to his lady, ready to hear her acceptance of his proposal

When she opens the door, he looks so happy to see her (I almost can't write this, I feel so sick rewatching this-- for his love to be so misunderstood, for her to have lost something so precious, for her to be so hurt-- I can't bear it, I really can't)

DD has played this so well-- she looks shell shocked, her facial expressions ar e those of a trauma victim, those of someone who has had one too many shocks and who can't assimilate any more information. Everything she fears has come to pass- she is being betrayed again, her heart has again been played with, once again Babaji has shown her the promise of love, only to steal it away with one over-heard conversation.

He greets her, the victorious lover, expecting love from the woman he adores, and what does he get-- "Main aap se shaadi nahin karrongi"

He's shocked-- he's gutshot, she's completely blindsided him-- he's gone from the peak of success to the pit of despair in one second. She asks about Dev-- and his guilt shows on his face; a guilt she sees but misunderstands.

I'll give GC credit-- his facial expressions re stunning-- he feels guilt for going against his inner wishes, and guilt for having given into Dadi's demands, and it shows. To Geet, she reads his guilt as guilt for being found out in the lie-- for being foundd out before he has been able to redeem the faimly honour by marrying her

I CAN'T WATCH ANY FURTHER

Okay, I'm watching this just so that I can complete this but never again

One more out of take comment-- SASHA YOU UTTER KALANK ON THE FEMALE GENDER-- DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE-- YOUR MOTHER SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF GIVING BIRTH TO YOU....I WISH...

At that moment, Geet reveals every fear that she's hidden in the deepest recessed of her heart, accuses him of every sin that any man has ever committed against her-- but even then even at the height of her anger-- one word of explanation from Maan could have changed the course of what happened next

but he tried to explain na....but geet stopped him....she just wanted an yes or no....

OH MY GOODNESS, HOW IS MSK EVER GOING TO WORK WITH THESE PEOPLE AGAIN-- HE'S GOING TO GO OFF TO THE JUNGLE FOR EVER AND EVER TO RECOVER FROM THIS SADMA

DIE SASHA DIE DIE DIE

At that moment-- Maan reacts the way he always does-- with anger. Its his default setting-- and lets be honest--I can see where his anger is coming from. He's being made to look a fool in front of people to whom he had just revealed his commitment-- forgetting once again that he's telling everyone he loves Geet, EXCEPT GEET HERSELF. He starts to lose his temper, and we all know that normally Geet would back down at this point-- but the Geet we see here is not the dabi hui Geet who has been reliant on MSK since coming to live in the outhouse- this is the sherni of HP, this is the woman who stood up to MSK and tore his property papers in front of his eyes

But Maan speaks the truth-- he warns her to think about what she's saying, for words are like arrows (and here they are arrows piercing his heart)-- they can never be recalled from the bow (and DD has appropriately cupids-bow shaped lips!!)

DIE SASHA DIE

Geet reveals at that moment what she thinks is going on, and Maan is blindsided again-- where the hell is this all coming from? how the hell can she think all of this-- stupid fool that he is, he doesn't even realise how insecure GEET is-- he is so sure of his love, and has given so many declarations of it, he forgets that he hasn't declared it to the one person deperate to hear the words-- the recipient of his love has never heard him declare himself TO HER

i hv already mentioned that he has declared his love in many ways to her....and we viewers hv always supported the fact that maneet do not need to say the cliched "i love u" to each other....

but now i guess...we were and also the CVs were wrong....those cliched words shud hv been said by maan long back....i guess then geet cud never question maan's integrity about marriage...

You know- the fight between them is made SO UTTERLY PAINFUL mainly by the constant sidelong looks Maan is casting at the BOD-- and the pained looks the BOD keep giving him and each other, and by the excellent actress playing Sasha-- whilst I detest the character, I adore her ability to be so loathsome.

OH MY GOD, the looks of pity being thrown at Maan as the BOD walks out-- truly the petrol being thrown onto the flames of Maan's anger. With every pitying look he receives, his anger grows another 100degrees hotter, and understandably so. A Maan like MSK can't bear to be pitied (most of us can't)-- and at that moment, there is only one guilty party in his eyes-- the woman he trusted with his heart (though he never told her that she had it)- the woman who threw his love back in his face and who dishonoured him at work

this part is what i actually hated....and i detest geet for that....for one moment let me say that maan has betrayed her by bailing dev...still...geet shud never hv insulted maan in a public place and then "pretend" that she thought the office wud be empty on a working day....

she cud hv taken maan to his cabin to talk....

even if geet has temporarily forgotten maan's love....but how can she forget that he has always protected her izzat....he is someone who looks away everytime her dupatta comes off....he is the one who almost cancelled chopra's middle class housing project because rahul insulted her....he is the one who actually cancelled rasika's hotel project because she insulted geet....he is the one who announced that geet is his mangetar to the office because he cudnt bear to see her silently digesting tasha's taunts...

if not anything else....at least maan deserves not to be insulted by geet in public....and if that was not all then geet broke all records by humiliating him in front of media...

tomorrow truth will come out that dev is still in jail...geet will realise her mistake and will come back to maan....and maan will eventually forgive her only because he loves her a lot....but in my eyes....this public humiliation of maan by geet will always remain an unforgivable offence....

I CAN' T TAKE IT....................LET ME STOP WATCHING

Geet almost feels bad, especially when she realises how many people heard her-- but then she remembers what she thinks he's done, and her guilt melts away-- he's broken her heart, he's broken her faith-- he deserves anything her gets

She starts to walk away-- but MSK can't let anyone else have the last word-- he chases afer her. Deep down inside, I can't help but wonder if he just wants to stop her, if he hopes that if they can talk he can stop her from leaving and he can go back to the happy place he was in just before his world fell to bits

He goes back to the behaviour that he has always employed with Geet- he manhandles her-- this was so reminiscent of the days in HP, I almost shed an (extra) tear of remembrance.

But this Geet is the one who stood up to her family, the one who hit the "chor" on the head with a danda-- this Geet pushes back; and he falls. To him this is the last straw- the moment of final humiliation, the final straw breaking the camels back-- any love either of them feel for each other is subsumed by the red fog of absolute rage.

GOD MSK IS SO SCARY

Maan hardly had any choice other than forcibly stopping her....he cant let the love of his life walk away just like that widout hearing his version of truth...

I disagree that Maan wanted to remind her of his ehsaan-- I think he's just so hurt and so angry at that moment that he does the most hurtful thing he can-- he reminds her of everything in a way designed to make her remember. He's deliberately trying to hurt her at this point.

They say that you only hurt the one you love-- is it any wonder that they can hurt each other so much?? very true....

Every word she says is true, every spear she throws pierces her heart-- and she reveals what we already knew-- that the relationship between them was not the healthiest-- the foundation of their relationship had a little too much ehsaan in it to be fully stable, and here, the little trickle of the water of doubt has turned into a flood washing away every good thing between them

again i say....on maan's part there never was any ehsaan...but geet feels so....and i repeat....the baby's existence in her life will always cloud her jugement of maan's feelings...

poor maan....nothing he will ever do can take away the little doubt that she will always hv in her mind....

Barry Dhillon must be given such huge credit for his dialogues and I hope he's never experienced this kind of fight in his life....i agree

and then Geet asks the question that Maan doesn't think he needs to answer, and his pride rears its ugly head-- his pride and ego destroy any possibility of redeeming this situation-- he realises it but at that moment he doesn't care

he didnt answer because he thot that geet has already heard him in dadi's room....he thot if geet didnt believe him then...then she wont believe now too....i guess that is y he didnt bother to answer...

I was so scared of him at that moment- Maan's biggest weakness is his anger; he seriousy has anger management problems- I don't know what he would have done if seeing the Taaveez hadn't brought him to his senses. Until that moment it was like Maan who loves Geet has gone, and Maan who hates Geet has reappeared. I honestly believe that only the sight of the Taaveez saved Geet from being physically hurt by Maan at that moment.

So Maan fails again, fails to live up to our expectations of him and fails to live up to Geets expectations of him

not me....maan hasnt failed my expectation in any way....but yes geet did and in future i wud place less trust on this character....

And then she retaliates in teh most hurtful way possible- she lays open their dirty linen in public; and whilst I understand it, I can't forgive her for it, and I can't forgive him either-- I can't forgive either of them for hurting each other so much and for hurting us along with them

i still fail to see how maan has hurt geet in any way....again its ur POV...

As she walks away, they both realise that this is faar more serious than the green room scene-- but if you look at it, it was almost like that was a dress rehearsal for this scene-- even then, they were both so caught up in their anger that one after the other after the other, the argument keeps escalating until it is out of control

Each time, things end with them walking away from each other-- but this time, there is no Dadi to play cupid, no Dadi to ensure that they meet soon and talk

we are left with the hope that Yash will live up to the CVs promise, and will reunite our couple

its high time maan and geet realise the value of each other in their lives widout the help of any cupid...

My only question is-- can love be killed and have these two just killed the love that exists between them, or it is only a temporary madness (you know the temporary madness defence that is often used in murder) and can the love between them be given CPR and raised from the dead.

love never dies....it may get hidden in deep recesses of our heart with time....but it will be there....

as for maan and geet....it is just temporary MU....their love is strong enuf to overcome this....

and MUs take place with every couple on earth....if love died with every MU then in today's world there wud be no such thing as love....

Or, is it just that as lovers, they knew exactly how to hurt each other, and with some distance between them, and with time showing them how incomplete they are without each other-- will they reunite

yes....sometimes seperations do more gud than harm....we all hv the tendency at one point of time to take our loved ones for granted....this illusion gets broken once seperations take place...and this time maneet's reunion will be stronger than ever...

CVs my only complaint is that this entire scenario is based on the big-mis; you are staying faaaaaaaaaaaaaar too close to Kekta territory. I will give you credit, at least it's not only based on that-- I truly believe that this separation is going to be good for them and equalise the relationship; no marriage can be healthy where one party believes that they are beholden to the other. It is good that Maan learns that Geet CAN manage without him and Geet needs to learn the same thing.

Geet needs to learn that Maan loves her, and that She can survive without him; she needs to choose to be with him rather than end up with him cos she has no other option.

@ bold....i agree....the reason of togetherness shud only be love and nothing else....

I can't believe I'm saying this but I think, if done right, this track could be the making of them

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