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Dreamygal301

@Dreamygal301

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Posted: 14 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: soapbubble

It is not the marriage she is trying to save as Kesar's rights as a woman married into that house. Unlike in the west, marriages in many stratas of Indian society are not about the personal relationships as they are about standing in society. Even women married to utter brutes would prefer him alive because the life of a widow is extremely tough.

The life of a discarded wife is even worse. In this society, a second marriage means either dispossession for the woman or an extremely low status within the household. If Kesar is allowed in the house at all, she will not have anything, the status as Shaktibahu, the jewellery she currently wears and not even the glitter she currently sports on her sarees. It is a very drastic drop in circumstances. Those are just the outward symbols, of course, but the social loss is rather severe.

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What right would Kesar have with her husband in jail? ...I very much doubt she would have been given anything, instead she would have been kicked out anyway because the infertility report would have come through and her 'usefulness' would have ended.......Either way why didn't P think of Kesardi's righ as a married woman when filing the FIR?.....No, this is all another roundabout fight for the sake of a fight....first she wants to put him in jail, now she wants him to remain married to Kesar. Shakti marrying again frees Kesar from the abuse..if it's bigamy she can fight for her rights.........where are the feminist when u need one?😲😃

Also, P has shown us repeatedly what she thinks of marriage. Nothing but a game to her. She got married to take revenge. She walked out of her marriage once already.......so again I can't take it seriously that she wants to save Kesardi's marriage....when her previous actions show otherwise.

Kesar is already treated like the lowest of the low...in fact Pesiya gets more consideration than Kesar. So to stay in that house for wealth and material possession, well that just makes her mercernary and we have not seen any evidence of that.

So I do quesiton Pratigya's actions.

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soapbubble

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Posted: 14 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: Dreamygal301

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What right would Kesar have with her husband in jail? ...I very much doubt she would have been given anything, instead she would have been kicked out anyway because the infertility report would have come through and her 'usefulness' would have ended.......Either way why didn't P think of Kesardi's righ as a married woman when filing the FIR?.....No, this is all another roundabout fight for the sake of a fight....first she wants to put him in jail, now she wants him to remain married to Kesar. Shakti marrying again frees Kesar from the abuse..if it's bigamy she can fight for her rights.........where are the feminist when u need one?😲😃

Also, P has shown us repeatedly what she thinks of marriage. Nothing but a game to her. She got married to take revenge. She walked out of her marriage once already.......so again I can't take it seriously that she wants to save Kesardi's marriage....when her previous actions show otherwise.

Kesar is already treated like the lowest of the low...in fact Pesiya gets more consideration than Kesar. So to stay in that house for wealth and material possession, well that just makes her mercernary and we have not seen any evidence of that.

So I do quesiton Pratigya's actions.

you seemed to ask that question here and there, and you seem to be outside India, DG, so I thought you REALLY wanted to know. The societal structure is such that Shakti's second marriage does make a difference to Kesar's immediate circumstances. The writers of the show come from the very complicated mileau they're writing about - their assessment of what could work, what is uphill is spot on. UP is a complex hotbed of power, chauvanism and brute power. Weird things can work if you have leverage, obvious things (to the western world) like divorce may be a far shot. If Kesar had gone ahead and jailed her husband, curiously she would have been better off becuase power is respected. you just have to see how powerful Guruma (a woman) is to know that there are no rules - there is only power and leverage.

And ah, I thought you would read the word status as wealth and material possession - not so. It is more subtle than that - not even about treatment, not about money - it's a fall in the pecking order. If you think Kesar's situation is bad, that is worse. You have no idea.

Anyway, you're not interested. Going by what you're saying, your question was rhetorical. If you're so convinced about the utterly vile, self centred, self aggrandising nature of this soap's heroine, then there's no way to convince you, is there?

Never mind. 🤔
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Shefali (Chef)

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Posted: 14 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: Bronze.
I dont see any character change.....
ppl who were in love with krishna cos of arhaan are shocked.. other wise...he is not really changed... his idea of love was and is physical intimacy...

he didnt care when his Mother was being beaten up(by ss), when his sil was tortured.why would wife be any different

HIs idea of love and his understanding of women is different from most of us-young, educated, upper middle-class brought up in a big city.

and krishna has always been like that.. i dont see any sudden change in this character.

Did you miss the episodes where K was shown attempting his life to save P?

where K respected P's denial of physical closeness n didn't force her

where K drank Amma's feet-washed water to end the havoc

where K walked away from havan pooja for Thakurs insulting P

where K saved Piyasiya's life when she was electrocuted

where K warned Shakti for abusing Arushi'.

To name a few'..

Or did I miss any episodes where Thakurs acted in the way I just mentioned?

No variation between K and thakurs? Really? IMO, that's a bad comparison. K is like the 'Diamond in the Rough'. He needs some polishing. That's why we love baba and want more depth in his character.

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Shefali (Chef)

@Shefali.K

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Posted: 14 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: Dreamygal301

P, I'm finding is more obstinate. Don't know why.....but I can't understand the logic of trying to put shakti in jail one week and then fighting to ensure he remains married to Kesar (when she opposes his second marriage).....why doesn't she take this opportunity to set her Kesardi free?...she is doing everything for Kesar, why not this?...

Agree with you completely.

-She wants Kesar to stand for herself? Did she when she gave up on a person she hated?

-If she is so much into giving justice, why not go beyond the box than applying the tried and failed one?

-Why can't she act practically than going by the lines that's scripted in books?

About her relationship with K

-Why not talk out the disagreements with him and make him understand rationally?

-Is she still perceiving her marriage as an unequal match or being with man who she loves?

-Her 'Man ka Awaaz" is to be a women reformer first than a loving wife?

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Dreamygal301

@Dreamygal301

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Posted: 14 years ago

#15

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you seemed to ask that question here and there, and you seem to be outside India, DG, so I thought you REALLY wanted to know. The societal structure is such that Shakti's second marriage does make a difference to Kesar's immediate circumstances. The writers of the show come from the very complicated mileau they're writing about - their assessment of what could work, what is uphill is spot on. UP is a complex hotbed of power, chauvanism and brute power. Weird things can work if you have leverage, obvious things (to the western world) like divorce may be a far shot. If Kesar had gone ahead and jailed her husband, curiously she would have been better off becuase power is respected. you just have to see how powerful Guruma (a woman) is to know that there are no rules - there is only power and leverage.

And ah, I thought you would read the word status as wealth and material possession - not so. It is more subtle than that - not even about treatment, not about money - it's a fall in the pecking order. If you think Kesar's situation is bad, that is worse. You have no idea.

Anyway, you're not interested. Going by what you're saying, your question was rhetorical. If you're so convinced about the utterly vile, self centred, self aggrandising nature of this soap's heroine, then there's no way to convince you, is there?

Never mind. 🤔
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Actually you are right, I didn't ask to know about what works because I already know, regardless of where ever I am in the world. I ask the original question because that is the pertinent one that rose in my mind with regards to the current storyline.

I'm surprised to see your comment because I thought you would be also thinking Kesar needs to get out of this marriage, seeing as she is abused constantly by her brute of a husband and this was an opportune time for her to move on.......I've seen plenty of posts urging P to leave her brute of a husband, and he does nothing that even comes near Shakti's violence. Why isn't her pecking order considered then? living in UP the stigma of being a woman who fought with her in laws, turning a house upside down would not be looked on kindly.

At least I remain consistent in my views of the characters and their actions.

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519678

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Posted: 14 years ago

#16

gr8 pov shefali--agree full on--very well said must say👏

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soapbubble

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Posted: 14 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: Dreamygal301

Actually you are right, I didn't ask to know about what works because I already know, regardless of where ever I am in the world. I ask the original question because that is the pertinent one that rose in my mind with regards to the current storyline.

I'm surprised to see your comment because I thought you would be also thinking Kesar needs to get out of this marriage, seeing as she is abused constantly by her brute of a husband and this was an opportune time for her to move on.......I've seen plenty of posts urging P to leave her brute of a husband, and he does nothing that even comes near Shakti's violence. Why isn't her pecking order considered then? living in UP the stigma of being a woman who fought with her in laws, turning a house upside down would not be looked on kindly.

At least I remain consistent in my views of the characters and their actions.

Well that much certainty on your part is a pity because I frequently find your responses limited by your circumstances AND your geography. Also, I'm sorry to say, regressive and pro-establishment. Naturally the galvanising, undermining nature of this show makes you uncomfortable.

Kesar and marriage – well good for her if she can get out, provided she gathers the gumption, of course. Living in TN as a discarded woman is another level in hell, though. And not protesting when her husband is marrying again? Fatal. There is no perfect solution in situations like these – I don't think Kesar can avoid some kind of stigma. Poor woman, not all her years spent in pretending to be wallpaper has helped her avoid her troubles.

I should suggest that P leave her husband! 😲 Do my views seem that rooted in 'isms' to you? You're mistaken – I seldom make the silliness of cementing my views on a changing dynamic situation where there are a multitude of possible reasonable opinions. Or indeed of allowing others to push me into adopting rigid stances, or clutching on to my views come hell or high water, long after their sell-by date.

Consistency in a mutable situation is a very mediocre stance.

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Sam

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Posted: 14 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: soapbubble

Well that much certainty on your part is a pity because I frequently find your responses limited by your circumstances AND your geography. Also, I'm sorry to say, regressive and pro-establishment. Naturally the galvanising, undermining nature of this show makes you uncomfortable.

Kesar and marriage ' well good for her if she can get out, provided she gathers the gumption, of course. Living in TN as a discarded woman is another level in hell, though. And not protesting when her husband is marrying again? Fatal. There is no perfect solution in situations like these ' I don't think Kesar can avoid some kind of stigma. Poor woman, not all her years spent in pretending to be wallpaper has helped her avoid her troubles.

I should suggest that P leave her husband! 😲 Do my views seem that rooted in 'isms' to you? You're mistaken ' I seldom make the silliness of cementing my views on a changing dynamic situation where there are a multitude of possible reasonable opinions. Or indeed of allowing others to push me into adopting rigid stances, or clutching on to my views come hell or high water, long after their sell-by date.

Consistency in a mutable situation is a very mediocre stance.

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It is this kind of provocation and dialogue that the CVs wants us to start. This covo is a testiment to the narratives regarding issues considered out of bound in UP or a similar social setup is the begining of what the purpose of this show is. Thought provokingly intense to digest but a bigining at least.!!

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