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Charishma

@Charishma

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Posted: 15 years ago

Hello All 😃 (Welcome to another one of my long essay of a post😉😆)--ArMan fans be aware---this is a bit of an I-hate-M-post (sorry --but, couldnt help myself)

After watching last night's epi...just one thought came to mind ...kahan se kahan... ---I remember all those wonderful moments that Archu and Manav had so early on....

Like when he used to secretly watch her from afar--and she didn't even know he existed. Like the one where he saw her giving money to a few beggar children (but only after they sang her a song😆👏), and then ordering them to higher their rates . Like the one where he walked to her soaking wet and gave her his umbrella to use (thinking that he'd never get it back---which is a bit of a big thing for a COMPLETE stranger to do eh??⭐️)

--Butt--this bout of nostalgia didn't lessen my dislike of Manav. If anything, it made me MORE disgusted.. .

I thought to myself, how could he have thrown something so precious aside like that???And then I remembered (realized)---I had a bit of an epiphany--really I did 😛😃

I realized that Manav NEVER HAD Archu. In his mind (heart of hearts) he's always seen Archu as moment of brief happiness. Like a passing comet in his life. Thats why he finds it sooo easy (ever damn time) to part ways with her. And then I thought--Kahan se kahan my foot--ArMan has been in this position from Day 1.

If any of you remember, in the verrrry beginning of the show-how ArMan got together??

Manav's MOTHER (yes...Savita) arranged for it--b/c she wanted Archu's gold (lol...yes...her jewelery!)'

Manav admired (hell I'll say it--loved) Archu from afer, but would never---not even in a million years have even thought to have her (fight for her). His friend, Viren, (whatever happened to him??) would always encourage Manav-but Manav was adamant. No Archu for him. Archu was tooo good for him, you see? And I have to say, I always agreed. No one is worthy of love-if they're not atleast willing to fight for it... I used to think --WHere is your JOsh mann??! But still, I wanted them to be together. Misunderstandings be damned...this man LOVES her ( I used to think to myself)

But'Manav himself didn't make this relationship. His mother did. And He said yes for his family'and for Archu, who he felt a bit sorry and responsible for (b/c of the whole Ajit / prostituion thing)

DIND DING DING DING!!!

Did any of you manage to follow my convoluted writing?? Lol

Basically, part 2 of my epiphany is His reason for marrying Shrav is the same as his reason for Marrying ARCHU!..how extremely sickening and depressing (you treat your sister in law the same way you treat your wife and love??)

They will not end up together ppl. NEVER. (I HATE Manav---but this saddens me--for Archu's sake😭😭) B/C Manav doesnt WANT to be with Archu. He maintains (and understands) relationships of family and responsibility. But I honestly don't think he is capable of marrying for any other reason than responsibility.---

For him marriage is for his family. And sadly, he doesn't consider Archu family.

Manav NEVER put himself out there for Archu. He even let his mother tell him no sex (sorry--thats no "AHEM" 😆). So why the hell (pardon my french😳) would he put himself out there now?? Has her need for him ever made a difference to him? Noo, he was always willing to see her with someone else. First Satish and now Jay.

What say everyone? Are you as (surprisingly) depressed as I am? I've always disliked Manav. But he's alwayyys he manages to find a new low...and it ALWAYS breaks my heart a little.

I await your thoughts on my not-so surprising epiphany. Please share.. 😃😃

Edited by Charishma - 15 years ago

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Shikha

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Posted: 15 years ago

Hi .. nice post ..
Actually I started watching this show as a manav fan ...
I loved the Manav of the first few months , and archana too ...

After Sachin's death , both changed ...
Manav went from trying to save his marriage ( whatever was left of it ) to saving a pregnant girl's "honor" ( that didnt work out so well , did it ? )
And Archu went from loving Manav in a "normal" way to literally worshipping the ground on which he walked ...

I wouldnt say Manav didnt try at all .. in fact he did try to tell his side of the story .. but archu and the k's didnt give him a chance ... and by the the time archu came around , his family was jailed , he saw his mom and sister beaten up in front of him , and his brother was run over by a truck ..

See , I dont really blame him that much for asking girish his daughter's hand at that time .. because his marriage was over .. the divorce was just a formality ..
And he was in a grief-stricken , miserable state of mind at that time , ..

What I blame him for is obstinately sticking to his promise even after time elapsed and he was in a better frame of mind to think things through ... that his marriage-plan with shravani is a messed-up arrangement ...

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Shikha

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Posted: 15 years ago

Both manav and archana suffer from very low self-esteem .. probably due to not completing their education .. i guess you can also add the poverty factor for manav ...
Manav has consciously(or sub-consciously) always felt he isnt good enough for her .. and archana fell head over heels in love with him because he married her after so many guys rejected her ...

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Charishma

@Charishma

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Posted: 15 years ago

Yeah, totally agree. From the very beginning, we could see the two had self-esteem problems. And that definitely affected their relationship. Archu fell for Manav--b/c he was the only guy that loved her. And Manav always felt he wasn't good enough for her.

But--those are the reasons I feel their relationship isn't right. Manav feels he isn't good enough for her (so contrary to her wishes), he passes her on to someone else?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, his insecurities don't explain (let along excuse) his thought patterns ("Archu is still pavitra"?? really?? 😆😆), or his actions.

What makes Manav's character so distasteful too me, is its not that the circumstances are getting in the way (like Ajit's framing him, Sachin's death, Shrav's pregnancy...etc) of him being with her.

----Its that:
He doesn't just have insecurities(that would have been endearing---who doesn't love a hero with a heart??)... he lets his insecurities rule his life.
His blind obedience to anyone in a position of authority (ie..the mothers-that-be and Girishji, etc), REALLY annoys me. Yes he is poor. So what? Being poor doesn't automatically mean that you have to obey every person with a big bank balance. If a person obeys, its because they think they are subservient.

Also, like a couple of you pointed out, Archu also has insecurities. But she has worked and continues to work on them. Manav is simply a victim to them. All of the horrible things that happen to him, simply drag him down. Yes he is human. And part of humanity is weakness. But Manav (the character) is no ordinary human. He's a hero⭐️ (in the show). But he doesn't behave like one.
When he has every reason too.. soo depressing.

Is this how the CV"s view poor men? Is this their view of reality?? If so, that sucks. Because not only is it depressing, its inaccurate. Finances are simply a circumstance. They can be changed.
One day your on top, the next your not. Just because you're on top doesn't mean you get to be an ass. And just because you have little money, doesn't mean that every time someone says jump, you ask "how high?"
Its how you behave when your on top and when you hit rock bottom that define you as a person. I find Manav's blind (almost slave-like) obedience just plain distasteful.

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Shikha

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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Charishma

But--those are the reasons I feel their relationship isn't right. Manav feels he isn't good enough for her (so contrary to her wishes), he passes her on to someone else?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, his insecurities don't explain (let along excuse) his thought patterns ("Archu is still pavitra"?? really?? 😆😆), or his actions.

Duh .. the CV's dont know the first thing about character consistency 🥱 ...
And what consistency can we expect ... when script writers , dialogue writers , creative teams keep changing every four months ...
The dialogues are written by a bunch of juvies ... hell .. I am willing to bet that the script/screenplay/dialogues are done just before the scenes are shot ...

People might disagree with me .. but I dont think manav cares a fig whether archu is a virgin or not ...
Just my feeling - If , suppose , archu was a divorcee when manav saw her first .. and later found out about her divorcee status .. I dont think he would have .. er.. "un-loved" her .. he just wouldnt have cared ...

But .. heck .. how on earth can I debate with you about that .. after all the pavitrata dialogues that he has spouted .. 😕 ..

And regarding his insecurities .. I wonder whether Manav is still insecure about his place Archana's heart ?? I mean .. he shouldnt be.. right ?? After a year and a half of .. uh .. pavitra rishta .. after all the times she has flung herself on him .. he knows she loves/worships him ..

More than his insecurities , it is his lack of ambition or drive that is crippling him .. sometimes it looks like their's is a hand-to-mouth existance .. no savings , no fd's nothing ... he is content in just going through the motions .. just getting through the day ..

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Shikha

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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Charishma

----Its that:
He doesn't just have insecurities(that would have been endearing---who doesn't love a hero with a heart??)... he lets his insecurities rule his life.
His blind obedience to anyone in a position of authority (ie..the mothers-that-be and Girishji, etc), REALLY annoys me. Yes he is poor. So what? Being poor doesn't automatically mean that you have to obey every person with a big bank balance. If a person obeys, its because they think they are subservient.

Also, like a couple of you pointed out, Archu also has insecurities. But she has worked and continues to work on them. Manav is simply a victim to them. All of the horrible things that happen to him, simply drag him down. Yes he is human. And part of humanity is weakness. But Manav (the character) is no ordinary human. He's a hero⭐️ (in the show). But he doesn't behave like one.
When he has every reason too.. soo depressing.

Is this how the CV"s view poor men? Is this their view of reality?? If so, that sucks. Because not only is it depressing, its inaccurate. Finances are simply a circumstance. They can be changed.
One day your on top, the next your not. Just because you're on top doesn't mean you get to be an ass. And just because you have little money, doesn't mean that every time someone says jump, you ask "how high?"
Its how you behave when your on top and when you hit rock bottom that define you as a person. I find Manav's blind (almost slave-like) obedience just plain distasteful.

Agreed ... being poor doesnt mean you take shit from people all the time ..
Okay , so he probably cant do much when people like dharmesh are screwing him ( cant help that .... have to take crap from bosses sometimes..😆 ) .. but people like sulo and other k's .. cat gets his tongue ..

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Charishma

@Charishma

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Posted: 15 years ago

lol true true lunza😆

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