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Posted: 15 years ago
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Hi All,

Just want to state this POV about Anmol's Naming and his entrance.

I understand that when we love someone then its hard to just move on but I feel that there is a biass-ness when it comes to women.
I do not wish to sound feminist as I am not.

When a woman looses everything she has in every right to get married again and to start her life over. Just because she loved a man doesn't mean she cannot love another after the first love is gone.
For a woman , its hard to love two men same way at the same time where as for men its not that hard. Our society can accept men having more than one wife but they cannot accept women having more than one husband , its looked down upon etc.

Also, for women to think of marriage after the end of the first for what ever reason is also not a welcoming idea!
Where as when men do the same thing we accept the change fast enough subconsciously.

This entier situation is clearly seen with Ragini's life. She is expected to mourn Ranveer's death even after she got married ( for what ever reason). I personally think that her raising Ranveer's child is enough proof that she def. loved her husband and takes care for his amanat more than her own life.
But does that mean she has no right to live a life of her own? To have some love and comfort of a Husband as good as Anmol (as its portrayed so far?) Who has not only whole heartedly accept Tami but also is like a standing pillar for her family.

I think we have to come above this that yes even though one chapter of love has been closed another has opened and just because Ragini starts loving Anmol and treats him as her husband she has insulted Ranveer or defamed his memory. Rather by keeping herself sane and healthy she is taking care of her family and thus making Ranveer happy and keeping him very much alive in her life.

About Naming its kind of good that they chose Anmol because Ranveer was given the name of Anmol due to his character and thus if there is to be a person who can enter in Ragini's life who is worthy of her then , he has to possess the same qualities that she prices in her Anmol. So the name is very appropriate with his character-relationship with Ragini.


I was watching Baliva Vadhu's old videos ( sorry mods , another serial is mentioned here for reference only) and there the daughter of one of the main characters becomes Vidhwa ( widow) and a marriage proposal comes. Her grandmother (very strict) says how is this possible, this is janam janam's rishta, this marriage is for 7 janams etc. So she cannot get married to another man.

Then the father says, well isnt' the rishta for both men and women? Don't both the husband and wife share this 7 janam ka rishta deal? if yes then why is it allowed for men who's wives die , to remarry?

Don't they break the purity of it as well.

So if we put Ragini in that position, lets say Ranveer does die and now that Ragini is widow, does she really have to raise the child all by herself just to prove her love?

Thats unfair and incorrect.

I say even if there was no majboori involved Ragini if she wished to remarry for what ever reasons (and of course we all know she did it for her home) its absolutely fine.


my 2 cents.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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I understand your point. But, the problem is though its been 7 years since Ranvir's death (not sure really....), for us viewers its just one day....😆
On a serious note, it is true that Ragini has to start a new life. But, it doesnt happen in serials. Atleast they dont show it like that. Remember, we were discussing similar stuff when Alekh was ill-treating Sadi. That time most of us wanted Sadi to go away from all this mess and start fresh. But, Indian TV shows dont show such stuff. However bad a husband can be (there is a show in SP, dont remember its name as I dont watch, where a man is seen with two wives 😆), wife is portrayed like Seetha only. May be we Indian viewers wont accept lead heroines forgetting their husband and family.
Dont know what exactly is Ragini's case here. Dont know what happened to Ranvir. But, Ranvir is the best husband I have seen on TV. So given Ranvir's character, it will be very difficult for Ragini to accept someone else as husband by heart.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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By all means, Ragini is allowed to move on in life with another man if she wishes to. In the end, that's what Ranvir would have wanted--that she lives happily and moves on..
Yes in today's society, woman remarrying is still somewhat looked down upon, while a man is allowed to remarry as many times as he wishes to..but things are getting much better than before now..
This situation is different. Ragini would only have remarried if she had no choice, which is obvious from her relationship with Anmol.
From a fan's POV, I am upset because my favorite jodi is broken. Ranvir has left, and he was the best possible husband for Ragini..He had his own flaws but he loved Ragini immensely! Also, I understand your point about Apurva's name being Anmol, but in the end it makes things worse for us. Anmol is an integral part of Ranvir-Ragini and its hard to imagine anybody else being Anmol. I think it's one of the reasons Ragini has been unable to accept Anmol--his name is a constant reminder of Ranvir..
And yes most shows do not show the woman moving on. In fact most female leads are submissive and pati-bhakt, sacrificing and crying nonstop. Ghar Ki Lakshmi Betiyaan--a show about woman power, had the dad marry twice for a son. Sajan ghar jaana hai's(as reguser mentioned) lead has 2 wives. Pratigya's sasural in Pratigya treats women like absolute crap. There's still a long time to go before true woman power is shown on Indian TV. YRF showed strong, independent women in their shows, but other production houses have yet to truly follow suit.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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For men its sometimes alot more hard. It depends on people not genders.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ice-Thinker

For men its sometimes alot more hard. It depends on people not genders.

You are talking about sentiments is it? For men it is more hard because they are too attached to wives?
But we are talking about society IT. Things have become better in India. No doubt. Condition of women is much better than our grand parents generation. Still, remarrying for a woman is tougher than for a man.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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for me ragvir r not just having relationship of pati-patni but they were 2 body 1 soul for me . it's just tht they made their place in our heart so deeply tht now we can't see ragini wid any other guy . Also ragvir were never fictional characters for us they were always family 2 us so definately we wanted tht ragini should always b there wid ranvir .
kya karein we lov our ragvir sooo much ki if for them we hav 2 ignore reality then we will do tht also
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: reguser

You are talking about sentiments is it? For men it is more hard because they are too attached to wives?
But we are talking about society IT. Things have become better in India. No doubt. Condition of women is much better than our grand parents generation. Still, remarrying for a woman is tougher than for a man.

If its about the society then yeah ... but if its about the person then NO ...

Indian soceity always was structured that way ... new influences have changed things alot ... but usually in the Metros ... not in the interior (major) part of India.

And its all subjective also ... if you study the rural Indian ... while remarriage for women is considered shameful ... there are places where its common.

Its a complex study ... which needs more research ... and its so subjective that it becomes very tough to generalise ...

However, common beliefs do suggest what you are saying 😊
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ice-Thinker

For men its sometimes alot more hard. It depends on people not genders.

Yes sometimes for men it's harder. Women in general fare better with problems and death of spouses. But in society, it's easier for a man to remarry than a woman, whether he is a widowed man or a divorcee.
In urban cities, things have improved tremendously but in rural areas or small towns, things are yet to really change..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I am thinking that Ranvir and Anmol(if it is his name) were friends and Ranvir had a n accident and he was worried abt Ragini so he sent his friend to take care of her and must have mentioned the special name.But he wrongly misjudged Rags if he thought that name and that too with a new face would make her happy.All this speculation of course.How tacky is that.Of all names,only ANMOL?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: chocolover89

By all means, Ragini is allowed to move on in life with another man if she wishes to. In the end, that's what Ranvir would have wanted--that she lives happily and moves on..

Yes in today's society, woman remarrying is still somewhat looked down upon, while a man is allowed to remarry as many times as he wishes to..but things are getting much better than before now..
This situation is different. Ragini would only have remarried if she had no choice, which is obvious from her relationship with Anmol.
From a fan's POV, I am upset because my favorite jodi is broken. Ranvir has left, and he was the best possible husband for Ragini..He had his own flaws but he loved Ragini immensely! Also, I understand your point about Apurva's name being Anmol, but in the end it makes things worse for us. Anmol is an integral part of Ranvir-Ragini and its hard to imagine anybody else being Anmol. I think it's one of the reasons Ragini has been unable to accept Anmol--his name is a constant reminder of Ranvir..
And yes most shows do not show the woman moving on. In fact most female leads are submissive and pati-bhakt, sacrificing and crying nonstop. Ghar Ki Lakshmi Betiyaan--a show about woman power, had the dad marry twice for a son. Sajan ghar jaana hai's(as reguser mentioned) lead has 2 wives. Pratigya's sasural in Pratigya treats women like absolute crap. There's still a long time to go before true woman power is shown on Indian TV. YRF showed strong, independent women in their shows, but other production houses have yet to truly follow suit.

@Bold - So true. It is difficult to get adjusted with somone else all of a sudden.
Regarding YRF shows (sorry mods..... but have to mention for comparison...please forgive us...), they do depict independent women. Rishta.com is one of my fav. serial. The end of season 1 is simply superb. I dont watch other YRF shows (Mahi way, seven, powder) regularly. Rishta was superb. However, though these serials depict independent women and open mindedness, I feel some times, they are too open about a man-woman relationship 😆 That means, when many of the typical shows are showing one extreme, these shows portray another extreme. We actually need a balance between these two extremes.

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