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Posted: 15 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: sunandshine

Well Said Baiju 👏 Doodh ka doodh aur paani ka paani kar daala😆



Even some celebrity who was invited on DID, mentioned that the reason they dont get amazing choreographies is because they dont devote as much time! And its a truth.



Thanks !

Matar Paneer hai aaj khane main ! Sub log aa jao ! 😆 .

(Get it Get it? Doodh ka doodh pani ka pani = Paneer)

Normally my big sis (Yahin hai woh bhee IF main !) does the analysis and asi joke shoke marte hain but I think thoda gene Baiju ko bhee mil gaya hai.

Or she got the analysis Gene and Baiju got the Kacha aur Rumaal !

Get it get it ! ,😆


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Posted: 15 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: peace.786



<font color="#0000cc">no no desicrowd, the statements that I madein that paragraphare general statement for everybody, not just targeted towards Sandip bcz let's face it u will meet a lot of ppl in western countries who have bad things to say abt their own ppl and their own culture but they will live in a place surrounded by people of their own country and follow the same culture. so that was a general statement. and if u read the 2nd paragraph of my post, that's where I talk abt Sandip, and I have NOT said that he is a hypocrite, I have said that I don't wanna comment on if he rlly is a hypocrite or not bczi'm a little confused abt him right now. and no, I don't think that just bcz he learned western dance forms, he is a hypocrite! but don't u feel that if a person critizes bollywood actors and bollywood dancing and then works in the bollywood industry to make money, then that shows some sort of hypocrisy?</font>

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<font color="#0000cc">andI have to say that I disagree withthe statements he made on bollywood dancing. People don't have to strictly follow a certain dance style when they are dancing for fun. Yes, bollywood dancing is a mixture of different dance forms, but that makes it more interesting and fun to watch and to perform, not weird. that's my opinion though coz maybe some pplgenuinely feel that mixing different dance formsis weird 😕 </font>



Ok ok peace no problems...its just that the topic starter threads are usually an amalgam of an article and his opinions infused together...its not you who said that Sandip is a hypocrite but then this whole thread has that relevance...I too feel some Bollywood dances are weird not all I repeat but some...especially some where there is no need of an item number and they suddenly infuse a girl dancing to some Half baked Hinglish number...I guess some of those choreographies are an amusement in itself. you only tell me when we talk about some of Jeetendra's songs we think his dancing way ahem a lil different but then we cannot generalize the statement for all dances of that era....same way his statement seems to be for a certain dance forms and not for all Indian dances...He has his opinion and I personally don't feel anything wrong in it, just wanted the topic opener to let this know.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: baijubavra

I don't think he is quoted correctly but even if he is, I still don't find it very provocative -
Here is my analysis quote by quote

First Quote:
"I feel Bollywood dance is weird. It is a mix of all dance forms where you probably don't know what you are doing. Once you do a salsa step and then you do a B-boying ' it is hard to understand what an individual wants to show,' Soparrkar told IANS.

My Analysis: I am highly suspicious that he used the word "Weird" if he did then "Pitoge Bachhu"😆
Did he answer in hindi and then got translated in English by IANS? He seems to be a nice person and I don't think that he will use such strong words ! If you ignore that particular word then is not saying any thing bad about Bollywood dances in rest of the first quote. He is just giving his opinion that bollywood dances are a mix of various styles and do not follow one single style throughout the dance. I don't think there is any thing wrong with that...

Second Quote

'Madonna is really energetic. I am amazed to see the energy with which she performs on stage at the age of 51. Britney Spears is extremely professional and Shakira is very dedicated,' he said.

My analysis: What's wrong with praising these celebrities?

Third/Fourth Quote
'Hollywood actors are very professional. The amount of time these celebrities spend on rehearsals is much more than that spent by Bollywood stars. Sometimes Bollywood stars just come and do their steps and perform,' he said.'This is because of the time-restriction they face. Our actors are working on several films at a time which leaves them with no time to invest in rehearsals,' he added.
My Analysis: He says that hollywood stars are more professional and spend more time on rehearsals . He explains it right away that bolllywood actors do not have as much time. He uses "Sometimes", which I think might have come from the frustrations of a dance guru who is working with actor celebrities rather than pure dancers.

Fifth Quote
'Working with Hrithik was very simple. He is a superb dancer and I really enjoyed working with him. But Kangana turned out to be a complete surprise. We have always seen her doing serious roles but nobody knows she is a very good dancer. She has really amazed me,' he added.
My Analysis: He is praising Hritik and Kangana here.


Finally

All those things about every body should talk in English and all - I think they are just @ankit's hyper active imagination 😉 because there are not in the original IANS interview.

Disclaimer:
I do not know much about Sandip Soparkar so my opinion about him might change but in my initial impression of him, I found him to be a calm and non controversial person.

Kya Bat, Kya Bat.... Kya Bat...... 👏👏 Good analysis Baiju!
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Posted: 15 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: desicrowd

What wrong has he said?
Bollywood songs is a mix of all dance form...yes it is...sometimes one is doing Salsa and the next step is a hip hop...if he feels so what is wrong in that...

No where has Sandeep ridiculed or criticized our culture...ankit plz point it out...in the article..not in your twisted words...

if he has appreciated Britney than he has also appreciated Hrithik for his dance skills...so where is the discrimination...

He has stated his point of view and I don't see anything wrong in it...I too feel some of the bollywood songs are totally wierd....so does that mean I don't Love my culture and country and I am a hypocrite? sorry dude I don't think so...

Point well made, Desicrowd! Although...
I don'tlike the word "weird" as a general characterization for Bollywood dances, specially by some one in sandip's position. He could have chosen a better word. Because "weird" is usually all bad...and Bollywood dances are bad sometimes but good a lot of times and great a few times as well. "Weird" does not do justice to it.
Edited by MsUniverse - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#35
@ desicrowd
lol, I see ur point! some of the dances that u r mentioning are weird =P but when u look at choreographies on songs like crazy kiya re, kajra re, nach le, bole choodiyan, maar dala, dhola re dhola, mehndi laga ke rakhna, it's the time to disco, Mahi ve (Kal ho na ho) etc. the choreography done on these songs is not weird, but rather catchy and makes u wanna copy the steps. and I'm not a big fan of Britney or Madonna and find their videos to be rather vulgar. so I was just trying to say that regardless of if Sandip said it or not, "weird" is not the word to describe bollywood dancing!
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Posted: 15 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: sunandshine

So waise dekha jaaye to, if I live in America and appreciate Bharatnatyam more than Lindy Hop/Krumping etc, the Americans get a license to call me 'Hypocrite'? Just curious

😕 Yeah if you go on national television in the United States in an American dance show and call Western forms weird then yesss people would call you hypocrite as well.😕 Sandip lives in India, and he chooses to go on national media in India and bash Indian movie industry which by the way he makes his living off of then yess that's someone who can be called a hypocrite.......😕
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Posted: 15 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: sunandshine

Well Said Baiju 👏 Doodh ka doodh aur paani ka paani kar daala😆



Even some celebrity who was invited on DID, mentioned that the reason they dont get amazing choreographies is because they dont devote as much time! And its a truth.

😕 ummmm so you're comparing our actors to dancers from the states? The last I checked majority of the actors in hollywood don't dance in the movies, so how can we say how good or dedicated they would be in dancing if they were given the chance? It's not fair for Sandip to compare our actors to musicians/dancers like Britney and Madonna who are not actors......😕
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Posted: 15 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: desicrowd



Ok ok peace no problems...its just that the topic starter threads are usually an amalgam of an article and his opinions infused together...its not you who said that Sandip is a hypocrite but then this whole thread has that relevance...I too feel some Bollywood dances are weird not all I repeat but some...especially some where there is no need of an item number and they suddenly infuse a girl dancing to some Half baked Hinglish number...I guess some of those choreographies are an amusement in itself. you only tell me when we talk about some of Jeetendra's songs we think his dancing way ahem a lil different but then we cannot generalize the statement for all dances of that era....same way his statement seems to be for a certain dance forms and not for all Indian dances...He has his opinion and I personally don't feel anything wrong in it, just wanted the topic opener to let this know.

😕 Why are our movies and dances weird? compared to what? who labeled hollywood and everything American as normal? To millions of Indians hollywood movies are weird and that's why Bollywood is still around.......many indians prefer Indian movies to hollywood movies and they don't see anything weird in the format of their movies......Sandip should respect the sentiment of millions of people from India being that he himself makes his living from working in those very movies......If he is so principled, why work in Bollywood at all? If it's weird and Hollywood is so great, why does he work in Bollywood? 😕
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Posted: 15 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: desicrowd

What wrong has he said?
Bollywood songs is a mix of all dance form...yes it is...sometimes one is doing Salsa and the next step is a hip hop...if he feels so what is wrong in that...

No where has Sandeep ridiculed or criticized our culture...ankit plz point it out...in the article..not in your twisted words...

if he has appreciated Britney than he has also appreciated Hrithik for his dance skills...so where is the discrimination...

He has stated his point of view and I don't see anything wrong in it...I too feel some of the bollywood songs are totally wierd....so does that mean I don't Love my culture and country and I am a hypocrite? sorry dude I don't think so...

😕 Well many Indians living in the United States feel that Hollywood movies and videos are too vulgar and cheap.....do you see any Indians going on Mainstream media in the United States and calling Hollywood and it's dances weird? 😕
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Posted: 15 years ago
#40

Originally posted by: sunandshine

Ankit you are baack again? 😆

Why do you find all the masters who are Internationally acclaimed to be 'Hypocrites'?

Did you read Sandeep's article where he specifically mentioned that Ananya "the classical" dancer was his favorite?? I guess not. Coz you generally overlook these things!

😕 Internationally acclaimed matters to who? Majority of people in India care about Indian acclaimed......as do I....you think Hollywood gives respect to Indian cinema and Indian music, the answer is a big no........so why do some Indians feel this overwhelming urge to be validated by outsiders? Good for him if he is a brilliant latin ballroom dancer......😕 but that doesn't give him the right to demean Indian cinema and Indian dancing by calling it weird........😕

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