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@*Woh Ajnabee*

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Posted: 15 years ago

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I do not think this book represents education in Pakistan as a whole. There may be some rural areas, extremist groups that promote such knowledge in children, but I think taking that to mean that the whole nation is teaching its kids violence is wrong. I mean, think about it, you're talking about rural villages in Pakistan --- places where food and water are a scarcity, do you really think that in those parts of Pakistan education is emphasized, let alone encouraged and taught?

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return_to_hades

@return_to_hades

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Posted: 15 years ago

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Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

One looses his capability of thinking analytically or objectively, if his world is limited to the teachings of any respective scriptures from a very young age.

I disagree here. Parents pass on all their knowledge, beliefs, values and morals to us. They have a right to help us learn about their faith. How else would we know exactly what it is that they believe and wish for us to believe. I don't think there's anything wrong with educating students in scriptures, as long as adults realize that they may or may not readily accept all parts of the faith and may require more independent researching to establish their idea of right and wrong. You can read a scripture at a young age and still grow up to think analytically and objectively, given that you are given the right amount of space and atmosphere.

It depends how the scriptures are taught and what the child is exposed too. If the exposure to other thought is limited and the method of teaching is indoctrination - then the child does lose their thought process. There are several parents who cross that line when instilling religious values in children.

I like in 7th heaven how Rev. Camden makes them study world religions before confirmation.

Edited by return_to_hades - 15 years ago

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Posted: 15 years ago

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I feel very sad sometime...many years of conditioning, education... good names we have given to ugly things...your life you are being trained to be ambitious..society is interested that you should be more skillful, more productive, and less creative...I think students who are reading and studying for their master's degree should be allowed to go to lower classes to teach.... those who are working for their bachelor's degree, thy should be allowed to teach the lower classes.... Every student should be a teacher also, and vice versa......I believe It will be stupid to teach children about religion, history, geography .... unnecessary, there is no need.....we can find more intelligent people in the farmers, in the gardeners, in the villagers.....I think the reason is clear....cos thy are not knowledgeable they cannot depend on the memory..... They have to respond to reality, they have to respond to challenges...thats why i feel they far more wise than a professor in the university....let the student learn some practical things in life...!!😊

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Posted: 15 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*
Mixing religion in state may not be the best way to run a country, but Pakistan is a declared Muslim nation. Islamic teachings are a part of education there, especially because there is no separation of church and state.

I see what you mean. I am not a fan of theocracy, but Pakistan do have the legal rights to go through with their practices.

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*
Creationism is a part of Islam and evolution isn't, and hence why its excluded. Although I agree that many heinous acts are falsely carried out in the name of religion, I also do not think that simply changing the educational system to include the theory of evolution and exclude creationism will eliminate all the acts of violence.

You misunderstood my point. Let me try to clarify:

a) Creationism is a part of Islam, and hence it can be taught in Islamic / religious teachings class. It can be taught in social science, mythology, or history class as well. It cannot, however, be taught as a part of biological science - well, not yet, since it has not been proved yet. Remember, scientists aren't so keen on making students study evolution in religious classes. It's actually the other way round - religious fundamentalists are keen on making students study creation in science classes. Why can't each be restricted to their own places? Creation has nothing to do with biological science (well, so far, it doesn't; maybe in the future, perhaps?), so it should be kept out of scientific teachings as of now. Don't you find it fishy that religious fundamentalists embraces all other scientific theories (even the weakest ones) - be it regarding gravity, Big Bang, relativity or anything else - but only have problems with evolution? And nope, my points aren't directed at Pakistani or Islamic educations only. If I'm not wrong, Christian fundamentalists are the driving force behind this whole 'creationism = a science' movement.

b) I did not mean to say that teaching creationism as opposed to evolution in biology class is going to turn the students into a bunch terrorists. Either I did not explain myself properly, or you misunderstood my words. But either way, that's not what I meant to say. My point was and is: attempting to shove down a 'divine' aspect into science is inherently dangerous - just don't encourage it.
Today creation is being taught into various biology classes around the world - including but not limited to Islamic schools - but where do we go from here? What comes next? Burning witches because of a bad harvest, torturing demon-possessed children, making people take cow-dung instead of actual medicines when they are inflicted with cancer? Do you see where this is going to go, and how this is going to end?
Let science be limited to science class, and religion be limited to religious class. I don't see the need to mix them and make matters explode.

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*
I disagree here. Parents pass on all their knowledge, beliefs, values and morals to us. They have a right to help us learn about their faith. How else would we know exactly what it is that they believe and wish for us to believe. I don't think there's anything wrong with educating students in scriptures, as long as adults realize that they may or may not readily accept all parts of the faith and may require more independent researching to establish their idea of right and wrong. You can read a scripture at a young age and still grow up to think analytically and objectively, given that you are given the right amount of space and atmosphere.

Absolutely. And I agree that the same can be said about science nerds who feel that their world is going to shatter or come to an end the moment anyone criticizes or refuses to accept a theory.

Parents and teachers alike do have the right to educate us with their knowledge, beliefs, values, morals and faith - be it religious or scientific teachings - however, they should not state them as absolute facts that cannot be disproved, or instill a fear within us that questioning them is going to make us an idiot or snakes eat our head. Even science teachers should not teach currently-known-and-understood scientific phenomena as absolute facts that needs to be worshiped. Rather, it should be stated clearly that what we understand to be hard-core 'facts' now can be disproved on the next second.

Edited by PhoeniXof_Hades - 15 years ago

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Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*
I do not think this book represents education in Pakistan as a whole. There may be some rural areas, extremist groups that promote such knowledge in children, but I think taking that to mean that the whole nation is teaching its kids violence is wrong. I mean, think about it, you're talking about rural villages in Pakistan --- places where food and water are a scarcity, do you really think that in those parts of Pakistan education is emphasized, let alone encouraged and taught?

yeah, its generalization thats for sure.

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4teen12

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Posted: 15 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: gengarjetty2

yeah, its generalization thats for sure.

Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shutting the eyes does not make the cat any safer!!

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Posted: 15 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: 4teen12

Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shutting the eyes does not make the cat any safer!!

oh c'mon, so u saying that every pakistani is like that? 😲

anyway I never said that we have to assume all are good, decent people.. That obviously isnt the case 😛

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Rukhsar Ahmed

@ruky786

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Posted: 15 years ago

#28

wow seriously that is what they do terrible... i cant believe this i was never taught that tauba tauba what are some of these teachers doing teaching words such as jihad, dagger in urdu horrific

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