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Posted: 15 years ago
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There has been something that has been bothering me for a while now and that is the amount of envy and publicity that DID gives to dance forms that didn't originate in India or haven't been adapted by Indians at large. Dance is not bound by borders, however I have yet to see any dance shows here in the United States that requires its contestants to do Indian classical, or indian folk. Yess there has been an occassional bollywood number in few shows but nothing consistent. As an Indian, I am quite disheartened by the fact that shows like DID and various others show so much more importance to ballet, latin dances, hip hop, mime etc at the expense of Indian classical, Indian folk, and even bollywood. What is the shame and bias in giving Indian audience more indian classical, indian folk and bollywood? Why is there this need to thump our chest and show the Indian audience that aha look at these wonderful dances like ballet, latin dances etc? I mean sure people like us who live in the states and see these forms fairly regularly can connect with them but I don't think the Indian audience in India connects that well with all these western form, and why should they be forced to? I just hope and pray that Indian folk, Indian classical, and even bollywood type dances are not discarded in this zeal to learn and mimic non-indian dance forms. Of course it would be nice to learn about different forms outside of India but first let the audience as a whole get a good grasp of Indian dance forms. It's sad to see that more and more indian kids are opting to learn western forms and not Indian classical, and Indian folk. It's very disheartening when well known choreographers try to force their knowledge of western styles on Indian audience at the expense of Indian forms.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Ankit it is not true completely....But do agree with you to some extent 😃
SYTYCD has included NDM on their panel of Choreographers since last 2 seasons to include some sort of bollywood dance...That is a beginning....NDM is not classically trained but he is getting trained and including some of the steps...
Also another dance show where Amrapali Ambegaonkar won silver for her Kathak performance...It was show abt grp, solos from all over the world...
It is not only Classical dance is dying and western dances are taking over...DID would be full of street, bollywood and hiphop...I rather see some sort of classical-semiclassical from rest of the world than watching those 3 that I mentioned..
I would love to see purely indian classical dances but that isnt going to happen...
Times are changing and we must change accordingly or accept to some extent..
Music and Dance both are heading in same direction for a while...
H4L good post below...👏
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Hmm ankit I agree with you to a certain extent. I know that whenever I'm in India and we go to any dance show, then it's usually a mix of really good Bollywood dances. In Hindi movies, we see typical Bollywood dances all the time..and I love them! (espescially when shahid and duggu dance 😍 ) The reason why DID is such a big hit is due to the fact that it provides the Indian audience with something out of the ordinary. Believe me ankit, I love Indian dances just as much as you do but on the DID platform..a lot more is expected from the contestants.

Also, some indian classical dances if not done properly can be considered offensive. In certain dance forms, a simple 'good effort' is not good enough due to the strong religious background of many Indian classical/folk dance forms.

Another thing..India is changing a lot. Everytime I go back it seems to me that there is a lot more western influence there which is strange cos abroad all the desi parents try to keep their kids as Indian as possible. 😛 The audience seems to appreciate hip hop dancers a lot more than classically trained dancers..and this is why I always loved Vrushali and Kruti because I wanted them to do well even if the odds were against them. But ankit, even in contemporary performances, you will see that most of the stuff is Indian contemporary so it's still good to know that it has an Indian touch to it. 😛

Ankit tum toh dance ki baat kar rahe ho but it looks like soon English will be more widely spoken than Hindi.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: hindu4lyf

Hmm ankit I agree with you to a certain extent. I know that whenever I'm in India and we go to any dance show, then it's usually a mix of really good Bollywood dances. In Hindi movies, we see typical Bollywood dances all the time..and I love them! (espescially when shahid and duggu dance 😍 ) The reason why DID is such a big hit is due to the fact that it provides the Indian audience with something out of the ordinary. Believe me ankit, I love Indian dances just as much as you do but on the DID platform..a lot more is expected from the contestants.

Also, some indian classical dances if not done properly can be considered offensive. In certain dance forms, a simple 'good effort' is not good enough due to the strong religious background of many Indian classical/folk dance forms.

Another thing..India is changing a lot. Everytime I go back it seems to me that there is a lot more western influence there which is strange cos abroad all the desi parents try to keep their kids as Indian as possible. 😛 The audience seems to appreciate hip hop dancers a lot more than classically trained dancers..and this is why I always loved Vrushali and Kruti because I wanted them to do well even if the odds were against them. But ankit, even in contemporary performances, you will see that most of the stuff is Indian contemporary so it's still good to know that it has an Indian touch to it. 😛

Ankit tum toh dance ki baat kar rahe ho but it looks like soon English will be more widely spoken than Hindi.

😊 Yeah I agree with your point about how "westernized" India is quickly becoming......however I see China is in the same boat as us in terms of westernization but I still feel like they are able to hold on to their culture which obviously includes songs, dances, folk tales, language and much more better then we seem to be holding on to ours. I mean it's getting to a point where bollywood dances are ridiculed as not even being true dance.....and my question always has been, why? Why ridicule something that's part of our national identity like bollywood, or tollywood? Sure others will do it, just like if you showed ballet to an Indian person he/she won't get it and mock it....which is understandable....but why should we mock our own art forms while trying to perfect western forms?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dabulls23

Ankit it is not true..

SYTYCD has included NDM on their panel of Choreographers since last 2 seasons to include some sort of bollywood dance...That is a beginning....NDM is not classically trained but he is getting trained and including some of the steps...
Also another dance show where Amrapali Ambegaonkar won silver for her Kathak performance...It was show abt grp, solos from all over the world...
It is not only Classical dance is dying and western dances are taking over...DID would be full of street, bollywood and hiphop...I rather see some sort of classical-semiclassical from rest of the world than watching those 3 that I mentioned..
I would love to see purely indian classical dances but that isnt going to happen...
Times are changing and we must change accordingly or accept to some extent..
Music and Dance both are heading in same direction for a while...
H4L good post below...👏

😊 I know what you are saying, but as an Indian living away from India I guess it's difficult to see our culture being westernized while soo many people from other cultures are actually trying to revive the cultures of their native land.......
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Ankit you can NOT compare Ballet to typical Bollywood dance...I would not even compare ballet to Indian folk dances...
Ballet should be compared to any form of true Indian classical dance...Just my 2 cents...
Yes I do agree that we should love our own culture-heritage...but it all starts at home which is in India....You are Indian but from US and are thinking along this line is good...I value that..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dabulls23

Ankit you can NOT compare Ballet to Bollywood typical dance...I would not even compare ballet to folk dance...

Ballet should be compared to any form of true Indian classical dance...Just my 2 cents...
Yes I do agree that we should love our own culture-heritage...but it all starts at home which is in India....You are Indian but from US and are thinking along this line is good...I value that..

Honest question....Do you think people in India in general would connect with ballet? Probably not, right? Just like most Americans won't connect with let's say Bharatnatyam? So my only point is, we don't see American choreographers incorporating Indian classical in the product that they put out for their audience right? so why are Indian choreographers trying to incorporate ballet and all these other western forms in the product that they put out for the Indian audience at the expense of Indian classical, indian folk etc?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: ankit_nyc

Honest question....Do you think people in India in general would connect with ballet? Probably not, right? Just like most Americans won't connect with let's say Bharatnatyam? So my only point is, we don't see American choreographers incorporating Indian classical in the product that they put out for their audience right? so why are Indian choreographers trying to incorporate ballet and all these other western forms in the product that they put out for the Indian audience at the expense of Indian classical, indian folk etc?

Globalization ka funda 😆 You have good Q but that is a million $ Q my dear and no one will be able to answer that....I have the same Q abt music and singing...Do u have answer for that? 😉
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Ankit dude, today's generation in India wants these only, we are more or less westernized.

And plus the ballet and stuff u mentioned is NOT american, maybe European.

so yeah.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: ankit_nyc



😊Yeah I agree with your point about how "westernized" India is quickly becoming......however I see China is in the same boat as us in terms of westernization but I still feel like they are able to hold on to their culture which obviously includes songs, dances, folk tales, language and much more better then we seem to be holding on to ours. I mean it's getting to a point where bollywood dances are ridiculed as not even being true dance.....and my question always has been, why? Why ridicule something that's part of our national identity like bollywood, or tollywood? Sure others will do it, just like if you showed ballet to an Indian person he/she won't get it and mock it....which is understandable....but why should we mock our own art forms while trying to perfect western forms?



Ankit you can't compare India to China because the influence of the english language is a lot stronger in India than it is in China. Espescially in the big cities like Mumbai and Delhi..you will notice that the youth tend to converse in English and it looks like english football is becoming a huge thing in India too. China is very very different. There is no such thing as democracy in that country which is why they have managed to hold on to their culture for so long. Let me give you an example. Recently, avatar released in china and it was doing really really well! They were going houseful but then as the chinese new year was coming up, the chinese government decided that they'll simply remove avatar off the screens and put Chinese (mandarin) movies on instead to promote their domestic movies.

And these days bollywood dances are not what they used to be. Seeing B grade actresses like Sophia Choudry do such numbers sickens me 🤢 (and she is supposed to be a graduate at the reputed London School of economics ) These days bollywood dances are almost just as bad as the stuff in RnB videos.

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