Artificial Insemination - Page 15

Originally posted by: myownarea

Both these replies are completely OFF topic.

I am a person who believes there is NO right or wrong ..it varies from person to person and yes is situational.

However, LOGIC is more specific.

The question -- > How can a guy who is innocent & stupid have donated his sperm and that too when he was a minor.

How can that be shown in a show that had more or less maintained a certain level in its jokes? Can this not be considered a certain deviation ?

Whats the explanation? that it is acceptable because TV has much worse? ISnt that exactly why this is the show people tune to? So if this joins the crowd, then why watch this ..we might as well watch those, am sure logic has more place in those.

divya, when has logic EVER been a part of MJHT? we defended even the lamest of tracks or scenes it MJHT, in the name of logic because then they suited to our tastes ..

neither was ther logiv in MJHT then..nor is ther logic in MJHT now ... but if ther was no objection raised THEN .. why is ther objection rasied now?

again, I m NOT defending that dialogue of uday's..nor m I saying that it is ethical or right in the society's views..its a shame and a huge disgrace when v as a society view it ..

now as far as uday actually donating his sperm is concerened, had he been a real person, then he wil hav never donated his sperm, because, like u said, he is a minor and thats illegal .. but yes, it IS difficult for us to laugh it off in the show as exageration, because it has certain prohibited phrases like 'sperm donation' ..

now @ red : I completely and absolutely agree wit u over here..yes, this kind of thing has come in very suddenly and hence, its diff to accept it NOW .. had it been shown right from the beginning, then prob the audience wud hav been automatically segragated ..

but then again, I hav a diff concern .. and since this topic started off as what influence this has on kids, its for a fact that those who watch MJHT may also watch other shows like MTV splitzvilla and roadies..its not either/or situation..its BOTH..they can watch both .. or if they dont, then they wil come to kno abt these kind of things from their friend circle ..

m not saying that his dialogue is a gem and that its right and blah .. all I m saying is that is that the ONLY reason that suddenly MJHT has been considered disgusting and inappripriate? because honestly, it has been lame since a long long time, we hav just been closing our eyes to it because then it fit in our ethics..and now it doesnt ..

thats ALL that m trying to say here..m not justyfing the track/CVs/those dialogues..they are individualistic whether its moral or immoral..ethical or unethical .. what I m saying is that v hav been accepting certain things in the name of society's ethics for a long time..and now, when v as a society find certain other things as unethical, v are uneasy ...

who creates the society's rules? v do..and v also MAKE that society..a society is made up of different invididuals, wit diff views..diff thoughts..diff mindsets .. then how can a society form rules as ONE unit? then again, I agree the fact that majority rules holds true .. what needs to b considered is that, what majority says true..need not b true always!

u may find even this reply off topic, but I find this is extremely essential for any discussion or any situation in our life ..

Originally posted by: aj_observer

I am cool mads.... Don't worry... I don't live in denial anymore... people have opened my eyes here...

it is not the POV but the tone and the comparisons drawn , I found really irksome....I am out of here with my bubble and all... the pins can be put away safely.... because u never know they may be needed for future use...

I will reiterate this... there is nothing decent about the way it was shown... real or reel...

but dont u feel this has been going on since ages? because v hav a;lways used such tones and comparisons .. ALWAYS! and when I say 'we' I again include myself and u wil kno what I m talking abt .. we hav always used such tones and comparisons to defend what we feel is right..not that it IS right ..

diff is..there the strength of the debators/ppl undergoing discussions always 50-50 .. here it almost like 90-10 .. that doesnt mean that we 10% are right...or u 90% are right .. it always means that we might b right..and u might b right too .. its ALWAYS how v view things as a part of our ethics, our values..our morals and our beliefs that matters .. nobody has the right to tell us whats right and whats wrong..its only WE who decide whats right and whats wrong ultimately ..

now..inspite of our discussions..I agree that u wont budge from ur place..nor will I, but I know for sure that why u consider whats shown as wrong and u hav a valid reason for considering that as wrong, I respect that .. but thats what we expect too..that u understand why we consider this as not completely wrong .. again, m not denying that I felt it wrong in a way too!

thats what I m saying since a long long time, but my reply is always considered off topic, infact even here for one, I m helel bent of proving this theory of mine as right 😆 .. LOL! whatever!

I have never accepted the maxim, 'might is right.' So where do we find our reference point? The standard to be accepted of right and wrong?

As a person who believes in God, I seek his criterion. As a person of the human race I look to those who excelled in humanity, in good manners, in being a light to all that is good and beautiful to be found in the depths of the human soul. Take Gandhi, Mother Teresa or the simple man who spends all his hours in an uninspiring, back breaking job just to put food on the table for those he loves.

A mother might make the safety and protection, whether physical, emotional or intellectual her consideration.

One thing I would like to add, most of us can feel it, when something is wrong, something out of harmony, something not quite right or acceptable. We feel it in the pit of our stomach, in our heart, in our soul, right through to our core. It is that indicator, that sign that we can always rely on to ring the alarm bell which we then can choose to ignore or choose to heed. Nevertheless it is always there, ringing.

Feel free to criticize, one thing I know, what I know is just a drop in the ocean.

Originally posted by: a little faith

I have never accepted the maxim, 'might is right.' So where do we find our reference point? The standard to be accepted of right and wrong?

As a person who believes in God, I seek his criterion. As a person of the human race I look to those who excelled in humanity, in good manners, in being a light to all that is good and beautiful to be found in the depths of the human soul. Take Gandhi, Mother Teresa or the simple man who spends all his hours in an uninspiring, back breaking job just to put food on the table for those he loves.

A mother might make the safety and protection, whether physical, emotional or intellectual her consideration.

One thing I would like to add, most of us can feel it, when something is wrong, something out of harmony, something not quite right or acceptable. We feel it in the pit of our stomach, in our heart, in our soul, right through to our core. It is that indicator, that sign that we can always rely on to ring the alarm bell which we then can choose to ignore or choose to heed. Nevertheless it is always there, ringing.

Feel free to criticize, one thing I know, what I know is just a drop in the ocean.

@ bold : THANK YOU! u cudnt hav worded it out for me or what I was trying to say here.. oh well, ppl that understand u better wil agree wit u over here ..

also, this alarm bell sounds diff to diff individuals .. sometimes it may b the same, sometimes it may b different .. for some, the alarm bell rings continuously, for others it may ring once or it may not ring AT ALL .. now, soo many diff sounds of the same alarm bell? which one is right and which one is wrong?

@ red : EXACTLY .. its the lack of awareness..because even now, when I m blabbering nonsense here, I kno that I may not hav seen the world that the rest of u hav seen and hence i m judging that situation by what I hav seen..but u all may hav seen something that I havent, and hence u all are judging it based on what u hav .. but if I can accept that u kno a certain part of the ocean that I m unaware of, then u shud accept that I kno a certain part of the ocean that u are unaware of!

@mads,

When you said"also, this alarm bell sounds diff to diff individuals .. sometimes it may b the same, sometimes it may b different .. for some, the alarm bell rings continuously, for others it may ring once or it may not ring AT ALL .. now, soo many diff sounds of the same alarm bell? which one is right and which one is wrong?"

With respect, I disagree. We are all born with with the same emotions, the same capabilities of the human soul. This alarm bell is the same for us all. If we ignore it, it rusts. If we heed it, it helps us in our journey. A proof of my point, so many, many, many, different cultures, languages, intellects, physical capabilities, religions. Same love, same hate. Same lust, same honour. Same greed, same charity. Our outer masks maybe different but our sames go through to the core. We are all part of the human race. One big 'happy' family!

Do you remember Shilpa Aunty, whenever she wanted to guide Mayank to the truth of a situation to what is right, her criteria was her God, the ethics and morality that was expected from Him. She always analyzed the feelings, the person from within. (ie that bell)

PS As for people understanding me. No one understands me. No even me. Sometimes, I think why did I do that? For what purpose what choice. Only God knows, but I trust Him in his creation of me, that bell will ring. If I have corroded it then i have good examples eg Gandhi to show me, enlighten me!

Originally posted by: a little faith

@mads,

When you said"also, this alarm bell sounds diff to diff individuals .. sometimes it may b the same, sometimes it may b different .. for some, the alarm bell rings continuously, for others it may ring once or it may not ring AT ALL .. now, soo many diff sounds of the same alarm bell? which one is right and which one is wrong?"

With respect, I disagree. We are all born with with the same emotions, the same capabilities of the human soul. This alarm bell is the same for us all. If we ignore it, it rusts. If we heed it, it helps us in our journey. A proof of my point, so many, many, many, different cultures, languages, intellects, physical capabilities, religions. Same love, same hate. Same lust, same honour. Same greed, same charity. Our outer masks maybe different but our sames go through to the core. We are all part of the human race. One big 'happy' family!

Do you remember Shilpa Aunty, whenever she wanted to guide Mayank to the truth of a situation to what is right, her criteria was her God, the ethics and morality that was expected from Him. She always analyzed the feelings, the person from within. (ie that bell)

PS As for people understanding me. No one understands me. No even me. Sometimes, I think why did I do that? For what purpose what choice. Only God knows, but I trust Him in his creation of me, that bell will ring. If I have corroded it then i have good examples eg Gandhi to show me, enlighten me!

@ bold : if that is the case then, ther needn't hav been ANY discussions, any debates .. any opposing viewpoints ever in this world! yes, v all are born wit the same emotions and the same capabilities, its how we exercise them that matters...v may express emotions that others may not understand and same goes for others .. v may hav views/beliefs..a result of our connections wit our inner souls that others may not understand because they may hav never discovered these views/beliefs EVER! never can two persons b jus the same, externally or internally, or else ther wil cease to exist two diff individuals .. ther are some, who are the same as the internal cores and drastically diff externally...and the others, who may b same externally but VERY diff internally .. and its these points that always cum out in any kind of talks .. prime example is this discussion!

@ red : if u hav given examples of shilpa aunty..then its for a fact that yes, her ethics, her morals, her values were something that she had acquired from her life..from the various situations she'd experienced in her life and from wher she'd grown up .. and those values she had held onto wit aid from the alarm bell that rang within her .. and hence, thats what she passed onto mayank ... and hence thats what he wil believ in, even tho he may not hav gone thru the same situations in life, but he wil never question those values..infact he wil jus add onto them .. because then, he considers his mom as a God and ofcourse there's no two ways abt it ..😊

but what Shilpa aunty has undergone in her life..her situations..her hardships..may not b the same for another mother..who may hav seen less or more in her own life .. and thats how she wil bring up her child .. and thats what her child wil believ in ultimately and how he wil lead his own life, because he has been taught to believ in that .. and ofcourse from his own experience he wil add to them..but never subtract anything ..

Originally posted by: Aditi_MJHT

ewwwwwwwwww....*pukes* gross!!
Die MJHT DIE!!🤢






^^ Maann....this seems like a distant memory to me 😔

😃

my sentiments exactly😃

Im too happy in my own bubble to accept this kind of barfworthy stuff..and pins dont work for my bubble..


thanks

sometimes i wish why i ever visit the forum


TO even imagine people wont take things personal after such a long time of being in this forum...ummm whatever...

@mads

Thank you for your wonderfully sincere and detailed post.


I agree with you that in many areas, our life's journey plays a big part in our beliefs and views. However what I disagree about are the big things. Those fundamental right and wrongs which are innate in all of us, the 'clapper' to the bell!

Even people without any good role models, or parents or loving people who bestow guidance can grow to be brilliant examples of the human race. If you keep your heart pure, then it can be your advisor.

PS i really miss Shilpa Aunty, I fear we really need her guidance to find 'Mayu'!

Seriously uday donated his stuff???

he cant even spell his name... he doesn't know addition.... he doesnt know anything beyond food... but he knows abt AI and Spem donation?

And why did he even do that... its not he needs money...

well, my mistake trying to find LOGIC in this show...

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coming to the larger picture....
- Is it right to show such content in Indian TV?
I dont mind such content, but they need to put "PG" ratings, so that viewers can make an informed decision.

-Does this content go with MJHT?
A BIG NO...
this humor doesn't fit with these characters.. these characters even doubting and think "if they could ve fathered a child" is
creepy.

i know Indian teenagers are very much sexually active. but MJHT overnight portraying this side of its characters is unbelievable.

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having said all this, does it matter? CV's anyways dont really read or listen tous...

If they are, just a kind request, PLZ put a rating to ur show....

@Neetu,

Exactly, it was the shock of it all. Like when a child swears. You hear adults cursing all the time and you don't bat an eye lid but if you hear a child curse you feel the ground under your feet shake.

I am with the minority who feel that you should feel the earth move even if it is an adult who curses.
What we lose in the name of something as sacred as freedom!

I digress...

Back to Uday. Seriously it came out of nowhere. The same guy who 'fought' humiliation and embarrassment to enter the girls bathroom to console his sister is the same as one who openly admits to have....🤬 I can't even bring myself to say it. For what aim, what purpose?