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Posted: 16 years ago
#51

The reason many people and me feel that Shashank's statement was a dig at TKT and Shakti has nothing to do with us not having confidence in TKT or Shakti. In fact, as many people before me have explained, it was a simple connection of events: on Friday, Remo said Shakti does the same thing, and Terence refuted that. Saturday, Shashank says that Remo's team is the most versatile without anybody asking him anything. Now, of course I can be wrong, but Shashank's body language also didn't help matters. He was smirking, Remo was smirking, and the whole atmosphere became slightly tense.

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades



I think you completely missed the part where I explained that I don't think Shashank intended it as a dig or had malice. In fact I acknowledge that he was just showing is appreciation for Remo. However, as desicrowd pointed, due to what Remo said the day before it comes off as a snide remark to Terence.

Now why do you ask me not to despise Shashank when I told I have a soft spot for him and he is like a Billy Elliot to me. 😆

Don't go all Katie Couric on Terence fans. Not all of us are Palins. 😉

your original statement on Shashank

Anyway, his dig at Terence was definitely not nice or professional. However, I doubt he had any real malice attached to. It seems to me what he told Remo was more out of a need to please Remo and show his loyalty rather than actually put down Terence. However, it was not thought through and it signaled the wrong message. He should be more careful and thoughtful with his words.

Your first statement is an affirmation that he DID take a dig at Terence, supported by your saying that it wasnt nice n professional.
The second bold part seals it by saying that what he said should have not been said. If you are trying to say that he should have used a different set of words, please do enlighten us...words which wont send a wrong message to 'Terence fans'😉
Having realized that you are one of Terence's fans, clears my doubts as to why you all connected it with the previous episode and smell malice in his 'from-the-heart' statement for Remo.
I DID read n know you have a soft spot for Shashank but I also read that tho he may have made the statement more to please R than put down T, the same statement signalled n sent across a wrong message. That is playing safe....
.....True, you are not the dumb-witted 'ice queen' Palin.😆
Seriously, it beats me to think that guys go to the extent of finding unwarrented sentiments in seemingly innocent statements made by contestants...but the flip side is that the forum thrives😛
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Posted: 16 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: baddie

your original statement on Shashank

Anyway, his dig at Terence was definitely not nice or professional. However, I doubt he had any real malice attached to. It seems to me what he told Remo was more out of a need to please Remo and show his loyalty rather than actually put down Terence. However, it was not thought through and it signaled the wrong message. He should be more careful and thoughtful with his words.

Your first statement is an affirmation that he DID take a dig at Terence, supported by your saying that it wasnt nice n professional.
The second bold part seals it by saying that what he said should have not been said. If you are trying to say that he should have used a different set of words, please do enlighten us...words which wont send a wrong message to 'Terence fans'😉
Having realized that you are one of Terence's fans, clears my doubts as to why you all connected it with the previous episode and smell malice in his 'from-the-heart' statement for Remo.
I DID read n know you have a soft spot for Shashank but I also read that tho he may have made the statement more to please R than put down T, the same statement signalled n sent across a wrong message. That is playing safe....
.....True, you are not the dumb-witted 'ice queen' Palin.😆
Seriously, it beats me to think that guys go to the extent of finding unwarrented sentiments in seemingly innocent statements made by contestants...but the flip side is that the forum thrives😛



The first bolded is a matter of fact statement about the end result. Based on what Remo said the previous day that is what the statement came off. It was not nice or professional in the context it came out.

The middle part is where I attempt to defend Shashank, but explaining that I do not think the end result was the intent. Here we have a student who has gratitude towards their master. The intent was not related to Terence, but to thank the master for what he has done for the student. He merely wanted to express his commitment and loyalty. It is an attempt to explain that Shashank did not 'make a dig' but it 'appeared to be one' and he should not receive flak for it.

The second bold explains why despite goodwill the end result occurred. In normal circumstances it would merely be a goodwill gesture. Considering it came immediately after Remo had criticized Terence for not making Shakti versatile and limiting her to the same things, it takes on a different meaning.

Now I can only speak for myself, I am not a representative for Terence fans. Shashank's words came out as 'this proves Remo can do anything and everything'. He could have expressed gratitude on the lines of 'whatever I performed today is due to Remo sirs persistence, faith and hard work in me', 'I appreciate the faith Remo showed in me by giving this challenging performance to me' 'I'm excited to have learned hip hop under Remo, Remo has an astute knowledge of hip hop'. None of these which allude that Remo is more diverse and creative than the other masters.

Will someone have a problem with these words. Probably. Someone always has a problem. However, I would deem it as very professional and admire Shashank for handling it with tact when put on the spot. (I missed mentioning earlier, that we was also put in an interesting spot by the hosts question. They know very well how statements and situations lead to drama and excitement)

There are two sides to a coin. In this case I see them as a student expressing gratitude to master, a situation where wrong words signal wrong meanings. I usually try seeing both sides. It could come off as playing it safe, taking a middle path, flip flopping – whatever – so fair enough.

I guess since I consider myself as a Terence fan, I will have to accept being lumped in one group 'Terence fan' that walks alike, talks alike, thinks alike. I will have to endure in between statements or supportive statements being taken as despising contestants etc or nonchalant posts being picked at for alluded meanings. I guess Terence fans deserve it for making a Da Vinci code of Dance India Dance, with their wild conspiracy theories. Beats me how all of us have psychotic wild and vivid imaginations.


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Posted: 16 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: return_to_hades



The first bolded is a matter of fact statement about the end result. Based on what Remo said the previous day that is what the statement came off. It was not nice or professional in the context it came out.

The middle part is where I attempt to defend Shashank, but explaining that I do not think the end result was the intent. Here we have a student who has gratitude towards their master. The intent was not related to Terence, but to thank the master for what he has done for the student. He merely wanted to express his commitment and loyalty. It is an attempt to explain that Shashank did not 'make a dig' but it 'appeared to be one' and he should not receive flak for it.

The second bold explains why despite goodwill the end result occurred. In normal circumstances it would merely be a goodwill gesture. Considering it came immediately after Remo had criticized Terence for not making Shakti versatile and limiting her to the same things, it takes on a different meaning.

Now I can only speak for myself, I am not a representative for Terence fans. Shashank's words came out as 'this proves Remo can do anything and everything'. He could have expressed gratitude on the lines of 'whatever I performed today is due to Remo sirs persistence, faith and hard work in me', 'I appreciate the faith Remo showed in me by giving this challenging performance to me' 'I'm excited to have learned hip hop under Remo, Remo has an astute knowledge of hip hop'. None of these which allude that Remo is more diverse and creative than the other masters.

Will someone have a problem with these words. Probably. Someone always has a problem. However, I would deem it as very professional and admire Shashank for handling it with tact when put on the spot. (I missed mentioning earlier, that we was also put in an interesting spot by the hosts question. They know very well how statements and situations lead to drama and excitement)

There are two sides to a coin. In this case I see them as a student expressing gratitude to master, a situation where wrong words signal wrong meanings. I usually try seeing both sides. It could come off as playing it safe, taking a middle path, flip flopping ' whatever ' so fair enough.

I guess since I consider myself as a Terence fan, I will have to accept being lumped in one group 'Terence fan' that walks alike, talks alike, thinks alike. I will have to endure in between statements or supportive statements being taken as despising contestants etc or nonchalant posts being picked at for alluded meanings. I guess Terence fans deserve it for making a Da Vinci code of Dance India Dance, with their wild conspiracy theories. Beats me how all of us have psychotic wild and vivid imaginations.

Good one ...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Based on what Remo said the previous day that is what the statement came off. It was not nice or professional in the context it came out.

The middle part is where I attempt to defend Shashank, but explaining that I do not think the end result was the intent.

The second bold explains why despite goodwill the end result occurred. In normal circumstances it would merely be a goodwill gesture. Considering it came immediately after Remo had criticized Terence for not making Shakti versatile and limiting her to the same things, it takes on a different meaning.

I guess Terence fans deserve it for making a Da Vinci code of Dance India Dance, with their wild conspiracy theories. Beats me how all of us have psychotic wild and vivid imaginations.

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This is exactly what I am saying... the 'correlation effect' of statement between Remo and Shashank is prejudicially converted into a 'causation effect' by Terence worship clan but let the Dance India Dance platform not be made out to be a Dance of the Dead for Shashank😛
I still find contradictions in your statements. Playing safe is ok but blatent contradictions demand reassessing your premises to eliminate one of the contradictions.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Shashank's words came out as 'this proves Remo can do anything and everything'. He could have expressed gratitude on the lines of 'whatever I performed today is due to Remo sirs persistence, faith and hard work in me', 'I appreciate the faith Remo showed in me by giving this challenging performance to me' 'I'm excited to have learned hip hop under Remo, Remo has an astute knowledge of hip hop'. None of these which allude that Remo is more diverse and creative than the other masters.
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just to clarify further...
Correlation Effect - is when Shashank makes a spontaneous statement resulting out of a superb performance (out of his expertise), duly acknowledged by other Master, in that exhausted post-dance state (when a contestant cannot think of spitting any venom relating it to the previous day's happenings). It's then when one correlates it to being a sincere token of appreciation n thanks for a learner to the Master, no matter in any form the words may have been uttered.
Causation Effect - is a corollary to prove the opposite of 'Correlation Effect', compelling you and other Terence fans to compulsively misinterpret a bland statement from Shashank to percieve the end result as ''this proves Remo can do anything and everything'.
All of...
- 'whatever I performed today is due to Remo sirs persistence, faith and hard work in me',
- 'I appreciate the faith Remo showed in me by giving this challenging performance to me'
- 'I'm excited to have learned hip hop under Remo, Remo has an astute knowledge of hip hop'...
even if spoken by Shashank would have sounded n echoed as a 'tongue-in-cheek' retort.
There are no Ifs n Buts when one suffers from "Causation Effect".
Thanks for having a soft corner for Shashank.
He deserves it for his ability and capability.
Hope I dont get a chance to explain the 'Palin Effect' on this forum😉

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