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Nikita Lakhe

@nikitagmc

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Posted: 15 years ago

#11

Oh god.. no bashing up Manav again... someone try to get into his shoes and see how much difficulty he is in trying to keep so many people happy at the same time..

And when has Manav done Aai Aai Aai... when has he ever pampered her or encouraged her behavior... READ ON!!

If Manav was really a mama's boy he wud have signed the divorce papers long ago when savita first suggested it to him... he had numerous fights with his Aai on this matter.. the most notable on the Navratri nite when he burns his hand...he refused it again and again... even when Archu returned her mangalsutra he refused to believe his aai, even when Archana and his family refused to talk to him and insulted him, he still refused to sign the papers, on the other hand he tried to clear things up with Archana by trying to talk to her..

Manav blasted his Aai yet again when she refused to return Archana's jewellery... clearly told her it belongs to her and no one else... and finally despite his Aai's crying left the jewellery off at Archu's place... there was a scene in which Savita says she has hidden the truth of Sachin's pendant cos she is scared of Manav..

I still remember the blasting Manav gave to Aai when she called Archana 'bacchalan' , he simply refused to believe anything she said against Archana at all...

Manav did not sign the divorce papers cos his Aai wanted to leave the house... his Aai had threatened that she wud leave in 24 hrs if he did not sign them... but he clearly told her he wud sign them only when he is convinced that Archana is happy with Satish and wants to live with him...(these are the exact words he says... see...no doubts against her character at all)...but he first saw and heard of Archana and Satish's wedding in the office, then the same evening saw them together at night school, he even went and apologized for his Aai's conduct, then Satish asked him to divorce Archu, he still didn't do it, finally he divorces Archu only when Manjusha told him Archu's wedding is fixed and to divorce her for good.

So basically Aai's ultimatum fell flat as Manav did not sign the divorce papers in 24 hrs... and even not for his Aai, he did it for Archu's happiness...

And regarding Sachin's engagement disaster, Manav did not support his Aai's statement or insult Archana, he folded hands and begged for her to leave since everything was going haywire in the function... his Aai had been slapped and even though she was very wrong.. it is a very big issue to see your mother slapped in front of you, he asked his dad not to hit his mom, but did not take any sides, if he was a mama's boy he wud have blamed archu for all this and asked her why the hell she came to the function but he didn't do any of it...(this is something even I don't understand.. why did Archana keep standing and listening to Aai's rubbish... Savita was ordering her to leave repeatedly..)....after that he even shouted at everyone else to end the matter (slapping bit) there since he does not want to destroy Sachin's engagement.. (you can see kaka nodding in agreement in the video)... he did not even ask his baba to apologize... In fact he stood quietly when his baba was defending Archana, if he wanted he cud have come then and stopped them both asking them not to fight but he didn't do so... it was only the slap that alarmed him...

Actually there was nothing the poor guy cud have said... wat cud he say... gud you slapped her, she accused my wife.... And how cud he defend Archana when he thinks that she likes Satish..(again not doubting her character, he thinks she wants to marry him)...I mean, even Archana understood his situation and left quietly and both she and Varsha wanted to invite him to the function the next day... even when they went back home Manjusha says that before the situation cud worsen she brought her home... (which is technically wrong... before the situation cud worsen Manav asked her to please leave) it was Sachin's function and any more of that scenario cud have resulted in a disaster,

And regarding Manav not defending Archana, how many times has he stood up for her, defending her in front of his aai, both before and after she left home... in fact one of the main reasons which brought Archana close to Manav and respect him was that he always stood up for her against his aai, that was the reason she felt safe with him... even after they were divorced when Aai was badmouthing Archana for coming to the Garage opening he told her not to do so and said that she shud be happy cos she had got what she wanted..(inaugrate the garage), when Aai called Archana a prostitute in front of all her neighbours when she had just left Manav, Manav blasted Aai for creating a tamasha at Archana's place and clearly said that he will collect evidence, prove himself innocent and get Archu back in the house.

If he was a Mama's boy, he wud have got angry with Varsha who insulted Aai in front of everyone at the market... (Aai had told him) but he made Aai cool down... and the very same evening when Varsha came down to talk to him he welcomed her warmly and bared everything in his heart and did not even mention that incident... (ironically even Sulochana ticked Varsha off for behaving in this manner)

If he was a Mama's boy he wud have supported Aai's idea of getting Shravani married to Sachin, but he again gave a gud blasting to his Aai, cos he knew of his Aai's ideas...Aai was hugely frustrated with him... he finally agreed only when Sachin told him he truly loves her..!

Everyone keeps saying about how much Archana has suffered due to Savita, and that Manav is equally responsible. Well, has anyone ever thought how much Manav has suffered.. his only fault being that he tried to keep everyone happy at the same time.. right since the day he got married he has got the tag of 'the most unsuitable guy for Archana in the world' by Sulochana, he and his whole family was insulted, for no fault of his own.. when he had already told the truth...

Still he did not disrespect them in any way... tried to shut his Aai up even at the wedding when she was blabbering a lot at the wedding,,, I still remember she pulls him out of the function but he frees his hand, turns around one last time, and then leaves realising Archu doesn't want to come..

then the Satyanarayan puja... what not did Archu's family say to him.. that he was characterless and a pimp.. in front of the whole chawl, mind you, slapped by his MIL, family insulted again, yet he tries again and again to talk to Archana, doesn't want to divorce her, and finally does so for her happiness...

any other guy in his place wud never ever have taken so much of shit, (and yet he took more shit from Varsha when he went to her about Ashwin, not to mention even outsiders like Satish mocked and accused him) he loves his family to death, but everytime silently listens to Sulochana's insults against his own people, even defends Sulochana's family in front of Varsha and convinces her to return home.. has he ever even spoken or accused Archna about all this

And that too when he knows no one in that family thinks kindly of him... except Varsha to an extent (Archana knows that Manav loves her, he saved Varsha, and except Savita the family is always sweet to her) the poor guy is struggling from all sides...

Manav and Archana both are bound by their familes... and that is the reason for half of their troubles... I don't believe that Manav is wrong cos he blindly supports his Aai...on every occasion when she was wrong he stood up against her... but I do believe that his mistake lies in the fact that he tries to keep everyone happy at the same time... in all this he ends up suffering (example: the dowry matter, he bought it himself to avoid sulochana buying it, he wanted to keep his mom happy cos he understood she was greedy since she had never had such jewellery of her own: he said this thing himself, but when she continued tormenting Archu even after getting the jewellery, he blasted her for good... but in all this he was the one who suffered cos he had to work overtime at garage to pay off for the jewellery..)... I genuinely feel Manav needs to start thinking more about himself..

Saying that Manav indirectly encourages Aai and is responsible for half her attitude is, in my opinion not a right statement, people like Savita will be the same however much Kaka, Baba or Manav shout at them, and they really don't need any encouragement to behave the way they do... Manav did not give up on his marriage due to pressure from his Aai, he gave up since Archana's behavior had left him feeling that he was fighting a lonely battle and Archana was in no mood to get back

@tanyaz: Right now, nothing really has happened with Archana that wud make him stand up for her... except the engagement disaster.. about that I have already written my views... but I'm really glad that he didn't say anything really gross to Archana and Satish when he saw them outside the police station (I was half scared he wud say something like'you have come with your lover/ yaar to see my state' , wud have really hated him if he said anything like that..but thank god he only said that you and your friend have come to see me in this state... ) I am very sure Aai is going to get one more blasting from Manav when he finally brings Archana home... quite obviously she won't like Archu returning back..

Archana's fault lies in the fact that she is submissive which is understandable considering she has an overprotective Aai and family, so even if she expresses her will, she doesn't get the confidence, courage or support from her family, which obviously leaves her disheartened cos her family means a lot to her.. she did not ever try to mend the cracks in her marriage cos her family didn't like it.. but better late than never.. I am glad that she has woken up now.. she protested not only against Manju but also against Sulochana... now I hope in the future she speaks up against Savita as well...again here I'm getting hope that Archana will go against Sulochana to be with Manav in the future, cos Sulochana will obviously not let her live in that house with Savita.

PS : Can this post be made sticky.. cos I'm really tired writing it again and again, but can't help defending Manav too...

Edited by nikitagmc - 15 years ago

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koolsadhu1000

@koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 15 years ago

#12

nikitagmc

Your defense of Manav is very nice . I liked it .

I admit he has suffered . I admit he is a good man . I admit he is decent too .Yesterday , even in that grief he didnt cross bounds and used a decent word for Satish ............"Dost ' . Instead of Savita's ' Yaar ." I also admit he spoke the truth in the marraige .

But all that u described of Manav is true of Archana too .

Both r powerless against their mothers .

Both had less trust on each other when framed . Here I am talking of the acual situation when Archana was really framed ...........not the brothel episode . In the brothel thing Manav knew that Archna was innocent since he himself overheard the plan . In front of him Archu was really framed in this jail episode . Whatever happened , he does not hear that she tells that she has NOT made the complaint to the police . He does NOt put two and two together about Manju coming to do the complaint and Ajit watching them run off . He apologises to his mother for marrying Archana...........when , although in love with Archu he had not gone to her doorstep asking for her hand...........Savita had accepted Manjus proposal and coaxed him . Point is..........when trust was needed the most , both failed each other .

Both placate evil doers instead of standing upto them . Manav placates Savita while Archu at home placates Manju .

Both r responsible for the failure of that marraige .

I do not hate Manav as a character , let me make it clear here itself . I just want more out of his character and I do not want it to get lost in the stupid yardstick of ' goodness ' used in Hindi serials ..........one of them being being tongue tied in front of shrew mothers .

And though i agree with most of the things u said I do reiterate that he indeed does this "Aai Aai Aai ' business too much . Sachin doesnt do it . Sachin knows his mother for what she exactly is , he is not taken in like Manav . He does NOt worship her like Manav for he knows her real value . Even Vandu is more open eyed than Manav . The cradling of Savita in his arms in the engagement party is not just being alarmed . He clearly says I cannot tolerate anyone hitting my mom ........a misplaced affection for a person who constantly robs money from his pockets and tried to sell him in the marraige market .Sachin will have no problems leaving Savita and listening to Girish not just because he is infatuated by Girish's wealth .........but also coz he really knows Savitas worth . He is not blind like Manav .

And all said and done , my primary grouse is the abuse that Archana suffred at Manav's place under Savita . See the big big things that Kaka had told the Karanjkars while convincing Sulochana to send Archana back to their chawl . Hum Beti Banake rAkhenge etc etc . Well , I did not see it . Once Archana entered the chawl , Kaka ws out of the picture and as hapless as Damodar . Manav was in his garage . Archana fell into the hands of her tyrant Ma in law and was crunched up by her like a bone chewed by a dog . Slogging whole day and trembling before dowry blackmails is not exactly Bet Banake Rakhenge is it ? For Vandu was NOT TREATED LIKE THAT . Yes Archana worked at her maayka too , this argument can be advanced by many here . But it is faulty . Although she worked at her middle class maayka she got relief there too as Sulochana loved her . She made her favorite things for her , sent her for outings , forced her to wear good clothes and had this acknowledgement in her heart that Archana is the type who quietly suffers so I must stand up for her all the time . There is a vast diffrence in the way Archana 's hard working capacity was exploited at her sasuraal and maayka . Savita exploited it like hell and the men were nowhere in the picture . Kaka tried to say something at least , Manav didnt even know about it .The dowry demands were pure torture .

My point is only this : A girl's suffering and a man's suffering after marraige is diffrent . A girl leaves everything and comes to the mans house ..........her adjustment becomes automatically greater than the man's in the marraige from the outset . The man's life pretty much continues on the same line . Manav filled water in the mornings , went to the garage , came back , ate , slept . He did not live in new surroundings , face dowry demands , was terrorized , nor were his family members constantly humiliated in that 15 days as Archanas family members were . They were humiliated on the wedding day due to his mothers own fault and due to the fault of his dysfunctional family . But later on........the way Savita planned Archanas torture simply to get back to Sulochna , completely forgetting that it was SHE who started it all in the first place , That TORTURE Was ALSO IN A sense Manavs responsibility as he took responsibility for Archana and had brought her there as a husband . He was ineffective to stop it and for a larger part unaware of it . We r talkingg of torture here , and the husband becomes automatically responsible in a legal and moral sense . Being unaware of it cannot be the answer ..........just as he is unawre of his Aais hundred faults . He needs to be more aware is my demand as a viewer . Be aware that your mom is having a liason with that Manju . Spot it , haul her over the coals for it . How come she is not communicating with Sulochna or Varsha so much ........why this connection with Manju . If Archanas dumbness is the reason for this rift so is Manav's state of unawareness . Thats all is my point .

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koolsadhu1000

@koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 15 years ago

#13

One more thing .

There were two episodes of PV I didnt watch ........and one was Manju coming and saying Archna wants to get married to Satish and so Manav signing the papers to ' free ' Archu as a noble gesture as nikita and aliya pointed out .

My mistake purely . Coz i had watched upto the point Savita threatens to leave the house and missed the other half .

But even so , is this justifiable ? Why did he sign ,listening to that stupid Manju ? Why didnt he clarify with Archana...........who was he married to , Archana or Manju ?

He had stood outside the nightschool and seen Satish and simply lost confidence to approach Archana alone and have one heart to heart talk with her . Why this loss of confidence...........she is ur wife , man ! What Satish and what Manju , go on , grab her hand like an angry young man , pull her in a corner , tell her today i will talk to u no matter what , and pour out ur heart ! [ Throw in a forceful kiss or something too , that wud be a treat to us viewers . We wud love to see Archana returning home in a rickshaw , reeling under the effects of that kiss .]

Unfortunately the " angry young man ' we see will be the one not listening to Archana . An angry young man can be portrayed the way I described too . This loss of confidence in his own bond due to strangers like Satish and Varsha is not a laudable trait in Manav as a lead hero . Rather show us desperation to get to his love in that anger against All circumstances and yes , Show us that kiss scene !

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Tanyaz

@Tanyaz

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Posted: 15 years ago

#14

I just want them back together ..... sob sob ......

But brilliant defense for Manav , you have some strong arguments there nikitagmc .

I just want to see some happy moments .

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Nikita Lakhe

@nikitagmc

Sparkler

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Posted: 15 years ago

#15

koolsadhu, I really admire your patience...

Let me make myself clear as well, I do not like Savita too... no girl shud have a MIL like Savita. I agree Archana has suffered a lot in that house.. and I also agree that Manav's unawareness is not an excuse.. but in no way do I agree that Manav shud be punished or criticised for the sins of his mother..

Also, I wud like to point out that Manav made every effort to know if Archana had a problem in the house... when they went out for pav-bhaji he asked her if she had any problem in the house or was unhappy for some reason... (he had seen her glum face that day while buying veggies).. Archana did not tell him... quite obvious, both were new into the relationship and it is difficult to complain against ur MIL at such an early stage... again when Savita scolded Archana for making Manav buy the necklace for her.. Manav again asked her the reason.. she did not tell.. finally he found it out and blasted his Mom... a third time when she created a tamasha at Archana's house about the fake necklace then he asked Archana the reason for her sadness and consoled and supported her and bought a necklace the next day...(okay you do not think that was right.. your opinion)

My point is both of them are not to blame for the fact that Archana suffered in the 15 days of marriage at Savita's hands... Manav kept making efforts to know... sometimes Archu told sometimes not... either way it cemented his place in her heart.. And the fact that Manav kept cradling his Aai is something I really do not buy.. I have made a really long post above about it listing each and every (there may be more) instance that I could think of when Manav shouted at his Aai and went against her decision even if it made her sad/angry/disapointed. So where does the cradling part come up.. cos of the jewellery issue??? Have already justified it in the post above... Cos of the engagement issue... justified it too...!!!

Now speaking of trust.. that is a totally different matter... not related to this post.. but will still answer it... He had full faith on Archana... he was very confident in the beginning that he wud bring her back.. but slowly he began to lose heart as Archana did not talk, returned her Mangalsutra, took away her things and avoided him like the plague.. Still he kept his trust on her, when his Aai pointed out that she sent the Mangalsutra he said she must have sent it without her will, when the divorce papers came and his Aai said she is getting married to Satish, he refused to believe her and did not sign the papers... each time he kept justifying Archana, he did not see Satish once at nightschool but almost everyday... despite that he followed Archana till her home and protected her from goons.. only to be rudely dismissed by her when he wanted to talk as 'Chale Jaiye Baat Ka batangad ban jayega..'

Archana never gave him a chance to talk... so he had to rely on others only.. he did not believe Aai abt Satish despite her various attempts, he did not believe the girl he met at the office, his heart broke only when that stupid Satish talked about marriage with Archana and asked him to get out of her life... Manju only confirmed the story and so he had to sign... cos no one from his family even wanted him to continue with the relationship (in the video it is clearly shown and the zee tv update site also mentions that he is shattered when even kaka turns away his face wanting him to sign.)

Even then when Archana came to meet him at the garage after signing the papers... he got some hope.. but when he saw her with Satish (with his arm on her shoulder) he was angry and rightfully so!

So you see the loss of confidence was not due to strangers but due to Archana's unresponsive behavior... a single visit to his garage brought back a lot of his confidence... but unfortunately everything went down the drain that evening.

And that angry Manav in love scene you wanted to see did take place too.. At the Navratri function Manav pulled her by the hand in front of the goddess idol and swore on the holy fire that he was not guilty. Archana hurt her hand and he burnt his hand.. it had no impact.. Savita asked for the mangalsutra next day and Archana gave it..

After that day, he did not attempt anything of that sort.. how cud he.. he had already fallen in the eyes of Archana's family and doing anything like that (or what you are suggesting) wud have only cemented his position in the family as a ruthless, cheap guy... even after the Navratri function everyone was criticising him for taking such a harsh step..

Now when it comes to not believing her for the complaint matter, well there are a lot of differences between the way both Manav and Archu were framed

1.) In Manav's case the person who framed him were outsiders- Ajit and the pimp... Manav's family stood by him and said that he was innocent. in Archana's case it was Manju and more importantly Sulochana (unintentional) that is people from her own family.. Manav was not taken in by Manju... he himself thought that she cannot do this then who did it... that's why he called Sulochana and we all know what she told him.. now how can he doubt Sulochana knowing Archu and sulochana's relationship.

2.) the way Manav had behaved with Archana in the 15 days of marriage gave an idea about the type of person he was. They slept in a single room with a lock on the door but he respected Archana and kept his limits.. he was sweet to her, helped her in every way and made sure she was comfortable, went so far as to buy a necklace for her to help his in laws... he had even told Archana all about how he had met the pimp and came to know about her going to the brothel and the way he saved her...

.Archana's past behavior however did not help her... she had shown so much of hatred to Manav in the last few months that complaint simply seemed the next thing in progression after a walkout from his home, getting all her things back, marriage plans with Satish, and a divorce... How can he believe her and her love when there hasn't been any trace of it all these months...Manav thinks that the girl does not love me... in fact she quite hates me... she hates my Aai as well.. and after the tamasha at the engagement she went ahead and made the complaint... probably he did think about the fact that she cud nt make this complaint cos she had been sweet and respectful to the rest of the family... but Sulochana's statements like 'She does not want to talk to you' and 'After what happened yesterday, Archana and we have broken all relations with your family..' poured cold water on everything.

For not trusting Manav and believing the pimp, I don't really blame Archana that much cos the proofs were strong... where she disappointed me was that she believed in his goodness, even wondered if the proofs were false, but did not give him a chance to speak...!!

For not putting 2 and 2 together and doubting that Manju did this cos of Ajit.. well what to say... the creatives want to drag the show and show that both Archu and Manav are brainless.. there is nothing to say in this..

For breaking this marriage therefore I blame all the villains, the indirect villains (Satish and Sulochana) and to some extent Archana for being submissive( but its ok, there's a first time for everything and she has woken up now) and... circumstances fo never favouring ArMan but always favouring the villains...oh okay... Manav for sacrificing his feelings for Archana's sake and signing the divorce papers....OR... being sensitive...OR... okay not getting any more reasons.

I agree Archana has suffered... its hell for her with Savita, but Manav has done everything in power to keep her happy, always helped her in time of need, even sacrificed his happiness for her happiness' sake.. at the end he really deserves someone who can give him some happiness and the only person who can do so is Archana

and so I want that when she goes back to Manav's house, he shud be xtra watchful knowing that his mother will be nasty to Archana.. and blast her like before if she does that and Archana shud also be open to him if she wants to live in that house with a witch named savita.

Edited by nikitagmc - 15 years ago

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Nikita Lakhe

@nikitagmc

Sparkler

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Posted: 15 years ago

#16

@Tanyaz : Thank you dear.. I love Manav's role.. no wonder Archu cudn't forget him too even though he was accused of being characterless...I was scared that the post had becum too long and that no one wud read it...

I want to see them together again too... I want to see both of them happy for a change..!

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Malini

@Rumii

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Posted: 15 years ago

#17

I AGREE 100% KOOLSADHU

Her son pampers her far too much . Aai , AAi Aai as if she is some goddess . This puts me totally off against Manav . I understand his ire against Archu but give us a break with ur sainted mom .

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