Of Sports and Sportsmanship

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Posted: 16 years ago
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This begins with NFL. I'm not a fan of American football. In fact I call it hand peanut and rugby for nancies. However, being a cheesehead in Wisconsin the anticipation and furore over Sunday November 1st has reached fever pitch. Even if you are from out of the country visiting Wisconsin, you cannot escape the Packer mania this week.

Why?
The ugliest divorce in sports history hits close to home and divides the children.

For those who do not know what I am talking about - a brief recap if at all possible. Brett Favre is a Packer legend. He is an NFL hall of fame quarterback. He played with the Packers from 1992 to 2008. He was the catalyst that revived the failing Packers back to the glory days of the sixties. However, he was getting old and wishy washy about retirement. In the 07/08 season Packers reached Superbowl but lost. After which Favre announced retirement because he did not see the team winning any more superbowls.

With Favre retiring Aaron Rodgers who had bee waiting in the sidelines with Favres wishy washiness since 2005 was made quarterback. However, later that season Favre wanted to comeback out of retirement for the 08/09 season. Favre was getting old, his committment was uncertain and also the coach wanted to keep the morale of Rodgers, finally give the kid a chance and break him in for the future. Favre was told he could be back as second string. He threw a fit over it and had himself traded to the Jets. After the season he announced retirement again. But come closer to the 09/10 season he wanted to play again and signed a very hush hush controversial deal with Minnesota Vikings, after continuously denying he was in talks with them.

Now the Vikings are the arch rival of Packers. The result is that many who had supported Favres comeback also deserted him. They started to see him as an indecisive old guy who has no team loyalties or committments and thinks only of himself. Sports commentators across the nation have also been severely critical of him, especially since he started trash talking the Packers. He has gone from being a legendary hero to a villain, a self absorbed diva. Although he still has some hard core supporters. On Sunday many fans plan to boo and heckle him, while some plan to cheer him and give him an ovation.

But to many Brett playing against the Packers as a Viking in Lambeau field is like watching the death of a game before their eyes.

Now that the blah story is done - its made me wonder

When you follow a sport and cheer players/teams, who is more important, the team or the player?
Would you support your star player irrespective of how they treat their team?
Would you support your favorite team irrespective of how it treats players?
What do players and team owe each other, what are your expectations?
Cricket also has experienced the whole old vs new conflict - whats your take on age and sports? When should the new learn from the old and when should old make way for the new?
Those who follow sports know the passion of the most intense arch rivalries - do you think the greatest act of a traitor in sports is signing from one team to the arch rival?
In situations with players like Favre who retire/unretire - is it the love of the game? the attention? or the money?
League sports unlike international sports are franchise sports. Unlike selectors choosing people to represent the city/state/nation in the team, players are bid on. They are traded all the time. Players also are free to negotiate once a contract is done. Which system is better selection or trading? Popular players move to bigger franchises all the time, weaker players may get traded out..what effect does trading have on team morale and spirit?
Do you see cricket leagues like IPL seeing drama like the Favre/Packer divorce saga in the future?

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

When you follow a sport and cheer players/teams, who is more important, the team or the player? Team
Would you support your star player irrespective of how they treat their team?Nope
Would you support your favorite team irrespective of how it treats players? Yes
What do players and team owe each other, what are your expectations? Nothing in the era of freeagency, it is business
Cricket also has experienced the whole old vs new conflict - whats your take on age and sports? When should the new learn from the old and when should old make way for the new? When they find someone new who can produce as much as the old in the current times
Those who follow sports know the passion of the most intense arch rivalries - do you think the greatest act of a traitor in sports is signing from one team to the arch rival?Yes, but now I am numbed to it
In situations with players like Favre who retire/unretire - is it the love of the game? the attention? or the money? The attention. The players are treated like gods right from their early years and nobody wants to give that status. MJ was another example, Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite(sorry you asked😆, Carlos Tevez)
League sports unlike international sports are franchise sports. Unlike selectors choosing people to represent the city/state/nation in the team, players are bid on. They are traded all the time. Players also are free to negotiate once a contract is done. Which system is better selection or trading? Popular players move to bigger franchises all the time, weaker players may get traded out..what effect does trading have on team morale and spirit? But it is the team that wins, not the biggest payroll or the team that has an allstar at all positions, The New York Yankees, The NY Mets, Mumbai Indians, Kolkatta Knightriders, Indian cricket team would have been champions everytime, but they are pretty much striking out everytime
Do you see cricket leagues like IPL seeing drama like the Favre/Packer divorce saga in the future? Yep next year Viru is defecting to Mumbai Indians and and Indians are as passionate about cricket as cheeseheads are about Football, actually more.

Being a fan is difficult when watching proffesional sports. The rivalary in college football is far more than what you see in NFL, there the coaches defect and it creates holy wars
I was pondering over this pretty much the whole month, Just the other day there was a story on this regards the plight of the NYmets fans, when two of their most hated rivals are playing in the championship series, right in their backyard😆
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Looks like the football talk scared people away. 😆

I've not been in India since IPL days, but I know for sure that cricket is like a religion back there. I used to have an hour break between two exams during SSC and would run home to see the score for India Aussie tests.

But all these years the passion has been for Indian teams, Indian players or local teams for those who were into local sports. I'm curious to know with the advent of IPL, has the following of teams reached fever pitch like in league sports across the world? How divided or factionalized are people over their preferred IPL team? How upset would they get if their favorite player defects? From what I hear, IPL has not had drafts and trading as feverishly like the league sports here - or are people already discussing who managers should sign on or trade away - or which coach is great and which coach should be sacked.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

Say what, now? 🤔



You look confused hon, do you want to just hand back the remote and walk away slowly. Come back with some chips and dip. 😆
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades



You look confused hon, do you want to just hand back the remote and walk away slowly. Come back with some chips and dip. 😆



No, I don't. For once, can't you stop watching football and go to a cheesy chick flick with me. Can't we spend some quality time together? Geez. And is that all I'm good for? Bringing you chips and dip? How about you cook me a nice meal for once and stop being a couch potato.



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Posted: 16 years ago
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Wow just one game and you throw such a fit. When did I ever refuse you all that. Hey Bhagwan, mera kya hoga.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Wow just one game and you throw such a fit. When did I ever refuse you all that. Hey Bhagwan, mera kya hoga.



Don't ask Bhagwan, ask Mother Nature. 😉😆
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I like wwe a lot

no sportsmanship there
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: gengarjetty2

I like wwe a lot

no sportsmanship there



I guess followers of individual sports have it easier. No tearing between team and player.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades



But all these years the passion has been for Indian teams, Indian players or local teams for those who were into local sports. I'm curious to know with the advent of IPL, has the following of teams reached fever pitch like in league sports across the world? How divided or factionalized are people over their preferred IPL team? How upset would they get if their favorite player defects? From what I hear, IPL has not had drafts and trading as feverishly like the league sports here - or are people already discussing who managers should sign on or trade away - or which coach is great and which coach should be sacked.

No- following of teams is far off from being fever pitch ! It will take some time.

People in general will be happy with either of the two things- their favourite players winning or their home /favourite team winning(if it doesn't contain their favourite players).

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