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Posted: 16 years ago
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I know it's pretty easy to answer every single puzzling, philosophical questions with the saying "Oh, God did it", however, in reality, answering everything from a religious/theological perspective is as illogical as answering them saying "Oh, I do not know".

If everything in the universe could as easily be answered with "God did it", then surely God needs to be questioned and answered, as well, correct?

To avoid answering questions related to God, but asking loads of questions about science is nothing but a theological hypocrisy; it's like - "I can question your science as much as I want to, but don't you dare question my Faith!".

Here are some of the paradoxes I can think of right away:

#1: If God created everything, who created God? Surely, if the universe, being so complicated and complex needs to have an intelligent/conscious/sentient designer in order to exist, then God, being an even more complex entity cannot be self-existent?

#2: If God created everything, and have knowledge over every single happenings in the universe - of past, present and future - then is he not to be blamed for the misfortunes and sufferings of the world?

#3: Can an entity be omnipotent and omni-benevolent at the same time? If He is omnipotent, why does he not eliminate evils and sufferings from the world? Is He incapable of doing so? If so, then He isn't omnipotent. Is He capable and yet do not? Then He isn't omni-benevolent.

#4: Assuming God exists, and is omnipotent, why would He, being so great and immense in all respect, care for such small, insignificant creatures like us? And then reserve place in the Hell or Heaven?

That's all I can think of now. Others, feel free to share more, and answer these paradoxes if you can - without going into the typical "Because He is God, and He is so mysterious, we do not understand Him".

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Wny does everyone need a Devil to prove that God is great? If God is that great why didnt he/she just eliminate the devilish tendencies of Devil and from all of us?
If God is great and he created us, how come his creation is with so many flaws, that is us?
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Labib, the biggest problem here is that religion or better yet, faith, does not have a scientific theory towards everything. You cannot answer these questions or solve these mysteries through logical evidence. The first thing that you would need in order to answer these questions is faith. If you look at these questions through my perspective, they all have answers, and the only reason that those answers make sense to me is because I hold I certain beliefs.

I always say that as humans, our biggest strength is the power to believe. If we put our mind to it, we can convince ourselves of anything and everything. Right or wrong, logical or illogical, if we believe it then it must be true.

Now you're probably saying that this is a typical answer, but I think that's the only answer. You can come up with such paradoxes and then ask yourself if the answer that you come up with also makes sense to you or not - and if it does then good, if it doesn't, then you need to rethink some things. But in the end, it again goes back to your faith, no one can convince you for or against any of these.

As far as why God, since he is omnipotent and omnibenevolent, does not fix everything and make life on earth perfect for all of us goes, well I think that also has an answer. God is omnipotent, but we are not. God has given us the power to choose between right or wrong, it is our choices that make us who we are (Do I sound like Albus Dumbledore now? 😆), and therefore, we ourselvese our responsible for any mishaps or any sufferings that we undergo in our lives. But I personally believe that God is omnibenevolent, and therefore after every dark night, there is a promise of a bright morning that will bring with it sunshine to illuminate the darkness in our lives.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades


#1: If God created everything, who created God? Surely, if the universe, being so complicated and complex needs to have an intelligent/conscious/sentient designer in order to exist, then God, being an even more complex entity cannot be self-existent?

It is the problem of the human mind to think of everything in terms of creation and destruction. Everything must have finite beginnings and end. Well God is everything from absolute zero and infinity. The whole world exists within God and God exists within the world. The question of creating God should not even arise as God is an infinite entity that can neither be created or destroyed, that is neither existent nor non existent.

#2: If God created everything, and have knowledge over every single happenings in the universe - of past, present and future - then is he not to be blamed for the misfortunes and sufferings of the world?

See if the programmer created a program, but you downloaded a virus that crashed it....why blame the programmer. God is the sustaining force through which the world exists. Stop blaming God if you cannot feel the force.

#3: Can an entity be omnipotent and omni-benevolent at the same time? If He is omnipotent, why does he not eliminate evils and sufferings from the world? Is He incapable of doing so? If so, then He isn't omnipotent. Is He capable and yet do not? Then He isn't omni-benevolent.

The Force has the infinite wisdom to know that eliminating all evils and sufferings is not the way to be benevolent and loving. The force has the infinite wisdom to know that benevolence lies in duality and seeking harmony between the dark and the light.

#4: Assuming God exists, and is omnipotent, why would He, being so great and immense in all respect, care for such small, insignificant creatures like us? And then reserve place in the Hell or Heaven?

I think people are just self important bozos who think they are so loved by God and have a place reserved in heaven. I'm sure if the force had human qualities that we keep assigning to the force for no logical reason the force would be ROTFL at the self important delusions humans have.





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Posted: 16 years ago
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My views......
God is needed for the creation..... The world is there, somebody must have created it?We believe whoever created it, that creator is God...😊.If the world is created, there can be no evolution. Evolution means creation continues...God cannot create an incomplete world... That would be going against god's nature....Otherwise everything will be at a standstill.😊this is the reason why popes and some relgious people are against Charles Darwin. Because that man was bringing an idea which is going to kill God sooner or later.......
If God is a reality, then man is a slave, a puppet.... All the strings are in his hands, even your life....Then there is nothing is good and nothing is bad, bcos you are only a puppet. ....A puppet cannot be responsible for its actions....😊
The Hell and Heaven concept is just like Hell is when you are all tense..... and heaven is when you are all relaxed😊...In this world everything is going in a very relaxed way.....hmm eg sun moves,star movement,trees growing...but our mind its not like that....then we feel n think about these kind of things.😊
When we think other side...If there is no God and man is free....and you leave man utterly empty. Of course, you declare his freedom, but to what purpose?😊..better keep your mind open neither believe or disbelieve...😊
It is one extreme to believe in God...... it is another extreme not to believe in God,.... and Most of them have to be just in the MIDDLE😊
Just chill n Njoy whatever you have.....😃cherish it😊
Vinu nair
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I think the paradox is that I find most intriguing is the free will paradox. If God knows everything, God knows the future. If the future is known, that means it is determined. If the future is determined we have no free will. If we have no free well then it is pointless to do anything conscientiously. Even faith or no faith in God is pointless because or inclination is determined.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

I think the paradox is that I find most intriguing is the free will paradox. If God knows everything, God knows the future. If the future is known, that means it is determined. If the future is determined we have no free will. If we have no free well then it is pointless to do anything conscientiously. Even faith or no faith in God is pointless because or inclination is determined.



That is quite intriguing, I agree. I've spent one two many times dwelling on that one. However, I think that although God knows everything, he has left it upon us to make the choice between right and wrong. As we make these choices in life, our future builds based upon these choices. Although God is omnipotent, he has given us the power to design our own future, whatever it may be. Again, purely a matter of faith.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*



That is quite intriguing, I agree. I've spent one two many times dwelling on that one. However, I think that although God knows everything, he has left it upon us to make the choice between right and wrong--its depend on your standing point...Cos Right n wrong not stable,its change the way you think😃if someone want to dicide absolutly....then that person is paralized ...😊.. As we make these choices in life, our future builds based upon these choices. Although God is omnipotent, he has given us the power to design our own future, whatever it may be. Again, purely a matter of faith.

If god knows everything...Why we do prayer to god.......😊
("God wasn't there when the tsunami hit"—Suketu Mehta😆)......Where is God's incentive to behave? He gets credit for the good things and no blame for the bad😃if someone tends to the sick or shares his wealth, it's God's hand at work....😊Is it true God concept Confuse us a lot!!!!!!!😊
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

Labib, the biggest problem here is that religion or better yet, faith, does not have a scientific theory towards everything. You cannot answer these questions or solve these mysteries through logical evidence. The first thing that you would need in order to answer these questions is faith. If you look at these questions through my perspective, they all have answers, and the only reason that those answers make sense to me is because I hold I certain beliefs.

I always say that as humans, our biggest strength is the power to believe. If we put our mind to it, we can convince ourselves of anything and everything. Right or wrong, logical or illogical, if we believe it then it must be true.

Now you're probably saying that this is a typical answer, but I think that's the only answer. You can come up with such paradoxes and then ask yourself if the answer that you come up with also makes sense to you or not - and if it does then good, if it doesn't, then you need to rethink some things. But in the end, it again goes back to your faith, no one can convince you for or against any of these.



WA, if that is the case, religious folks should stop trying to pretend as if their 'faith' equivalent to, or rather, superior to the scientific theories that had been discovered and established through out centuries. They should stop trying to take digs at the scientific theories - that they understand little about - produced. Do not misunderstand me, I am not generalizing the entire group of religious people here - many do realize the difference between their personal beliefs and scientific truths - however, there are certain groups, who cannot tolerate a single word of their scripture being challenged by science an logic, and try as hard as possible to disprove the scientific assertions, and place their beliefs within a scientific frame-work, when they know it full well that their belief is derived from faith, and nothing but solely on faith; it has absolutely no scientific basis.

Take evolution for instance. Like it or not, a lot of things from the theory of evolution had been proven, which is why it had gotten its place into science classes. While a lot of things from the theory of evolution is flawed and had been dis-proven as well, it still could be termed as a scientific theory based on various logical and rational evidences behind it. Whereas, creationism, or more accurately, the 'Adam-and-Eve-and-the-garden-of-Eden' story is that - it is still a story. It is a philosophical concept, with no basis in science. Scientists had not been able to trace the origin of any one-man-one-woman ancestor, (and, furthermore, that the woman had been created with the man's rib); scientists, however, found out that evolution happened, and is still happening. I have respect for faith, and faith-based stories and morals, however, if they have no scientific basis, then faith needs to be kept within the individuals; if one have a God, keep it within yourself.

On one hand the religious fanatics scream that their religion and religious scripture[s] is/are worthier and much more scientific and truthful than any scientific published facts, and yet, the moment their apparently 'scientific' faith is questioned, they roll their eyes, mumble a bit, and end up saying - "Belief is based upon faith, so you cannot answer these things from a scientific or logical perspective". Yet, they were the first one to claim their beliefs as 'scientific truth'. That is a bit hypocritical, no?

P.S. Are you really Anju, or is that a nickname created by IF-ians?

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

As far as why God, since he is omnipotent and omnibenevolent, does not fix everything and make life on earth perfect for all of us goes, well I think that also has an answer. God is omnipotent, but we are not. God has given us the power to choose between right or wrong, it is our choices that make us who we are (Do I sound like Albus Dumbledore now? 😆), and therefore, we ourselvese our responsible for any mishaps or any sufferings that we undergo in our lives.



**shrugs** That's all I got to say for this.😆

As far as sounding like Albus Dumbledore is concerned, I think we all have bits and parts of Albus's characteristics within us. At some point we all want to bring the solutions to the problems of our life. I often wonder what was Albus's religious belief? Actually what was the religious belief of the Harry Potter characters? Nothing is ever stated in the books explicitly. Yep, they celebrated Christmas and all, but not for an instant (so far as I can remember) did they ever talk of God or Jesus. Seems as though they were Christians more for cultural reasons.

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

But I personally believe that God is omnibenevolent, and therefore after every dark night, there is a promise of a bright morning that will bring with it sunshine to illuminate the darkness in our lives.


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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*



That is quite intriguing, I agree. I've spent one two many times dwelling on that one. However, I think that although God knows everything, he has left it upon us to make the choice between right and wrong. As we make these choices in life, our future builds based upon these choices. Although God is omnipotent, he has given us the power to design our own future, whatever it may be. Again, purely a matter of faith.



I think ajnu your point upon god gave us power to decide right or wrong is correct....god did plan our lives for us yet it depends on us if we are ready to take that very path .... and at a turn when we go to the wrong side we tend to blame him for not caring or blame him for not taking us to the right one....indeed he might have planned the other one which we never chose....this remind me of the poem "The Road Not Taken"....there are 2 roads....we choose one that looks easier and with less obstacle .... yet when we step on it we realise that it is full of obstacle and we would think back about the one we never took.....was it a better one.....it looked hard fewer people walked through that but was that a happier one ??....no one is able to turn back in life i know it is old saying that life got only 1 take you cannot have a take 2 which i believe is true.....however if you go on a wrong path you always have a chance to improve yourself and turn back to the right path.....

it's all about making decision.....our one decision can turn our live into a whole different slot of things.....and when we choose the way which is different from what god have decided for us.....god will immediately develop new turns and paths that would lead our life to more choices or that might connect us back to the right path chosen for us by him......

we see people ding suicide when some prob occurs and those are the ones who lost hope totally in life and who are blamed by people around them mostly....god never abandone us....never left us alone.....and those people chose to leave god's care.....now coming to a saying because god cannot be with each and everyone of us so he sent us mothers......then mother should be god right.....would you blame your mother like you tend to blame god....?i doubt so.....look at all those children without parents.....yes it sound really sad but they are more loved by everyone there are people who adopt them and even sponser them.....but y?? coz they feel for them .... and that feeling is given to us by god.....he put this extra element in all of us making us different from every species......

i guess i am going out of topic lol 😆 i rather stop....

but yea all i wanna say is life is ours decision are ours too but ultimately our destination is the same it's just how we travel to get there.....to reach god...

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