Ur take on ATHIESM ??

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What do you think - Is Athiesm a RELIGION ???
Why do you think that a person refuses to believe in GOD - EGO or SENSE OF SELF-ENLIGHTENMENT ???

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Originally posted by: cHargedsPRIt-
What do you think - Is Athiesm a RELIGION ???

No. It is a state of being without any form of belief. It is like the blank canvas on which belief system gets painted on. Religion stems from belief; atheism stems from a lack thereof. (Whether a lack of belief could be termed as a belief is a controversial issue within itself).

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Why do you think that a person refuses to believe in GOD - EGO or SENSE OF SELF-ENLIGHTENMENT ???

Depends. Generally, atheists do not refuse the existence of a God anymore than an average person refuse the existence of Lochness monster or Spiderman. Atheists simply do not believe in a God because they view it as a fictional/imaginary character, an invention of human being, created out of a poor understanding of causality, and the desire to feel loved and supported. To refuse to believe in something means to take a stand against it. Atheists don't (well, militant atheists, like militant anythings, do, but every group has its extremists) take a stand against God because it is a non-issue to them. Just like an average person does not take a stand against Lochness monster or Spiderman. It's just a non-issue.

However, there are people who refuses to believe in the existence of a Creator, when deep down, they are convinced a higher entity exists. They are generally labeled as antitheists, and they fit the category of ego-centered people refusing to believe in the existence of a creator, than an atheist does. An atheist (or, on that count, a theist) refusing and/or actively opposing the existence of a God is an antitheist.

Atheist is no more of a self-enlightenment than theism is. It all depends on how one views it.

*I know my comparison between Lochness monster / Spiderman and God isn't valid; however, this is the way I view atheism.*

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That was an elaborate theory on Athiesm. Thank you for writing in.
People don't believe in the existence of Creator . YES ! . But then who do you thnk in their view is the CREATOR ?? Do they feel things come up on their own - SURPRISING !

I do agree with your theory. I dont think people can stay in dis-belief throughout .

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But then who do you thnk in their view is the CREATOR ??

None. Metaphorically speaking, Nature is our creator. Literally, Nature isn't an intelligent entity, thus Nature being our creator makes no sense. However, atheistically speaking, we weren't created and/or designed by an/any intelligent entity, but rather, evolved through natural selection, and other evolutionary means. Thus, on that way, Nature, being an unintelligent entity, is our creator.

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Do they feel things come up on their own - SURPRISING !

It all depends on how one views it. Religion and religious people acknowledges God came up on His own, and created/designed the universe; atheists believe the same thing, just substituting God with Nature/universe.

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I do agree with your theory. I dont think people can stay in dis-belief throughout .

That's correct. The predisposition to believe is hardwired into our brain, rather than the 'I-don't-know' position. Even atheists (generally) have sparks of beliefs at times.

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That's correct. The predisposition to believe is hardwired into our brain, rather than the 'I-don't-know' position. Even atheists (generally) have sparks of beliefs at times.

Yes . And that is what i wonder !! Who do you think they believe ? Themselves ? Then y are they Athiests ?? Shudn't believing oneself be THEISM ?

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Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

No. It is a state of being without any form of belief. It is like the blank canvas on which belief system gets painted on. Religion stems from belief; atheism stems from a lack thereof. (Whether a lack of belief could be termed as a belief is a controversial issue within itself).

Depends. Generally, atheists do not refuse the existence of a God anymore than an average person refuse the existence of Lochness monster or Spiderman. Atheists simply do not believe in a God because they view it as a fictional/imaginary character, an invention of human being, created out of a poor understanding of causality, and the desire to feel loved and supported. To refuse to believe in something means to take a stand against it. Atheists don't (well, militant atheists, like militant anythings, do, but every group has its extremists) take a stand against God because it is a non-issue to them. Just like an average person does not take a stand against Lochness monster or Spiderman. It's just a non-issue.

However, there are people who refuses to believe in the existence of a Creator, when deep down, they are convinced a higher entity exists. They are generally labeled as antitheists, and they fit the category of ego-centered people refusing to believe in the existence of a creator, than an atheist does. An atheist (or, on that count, a theist) refusing and/or actively opposing the existence of a God is an antitheist.

Atheist is no more of a self-enlightenment than theism is. It all depends on how one views it.

*I know my comparison between Lochness monster / Spiderman and God isn't valid; however, this is the way I view atheism.*

Hey nice analysis😳 but what is more interesting is your analysis ASSUMING that ATHEISTS are Naadan, Ignorant,rebellios(rather militant). Is it true that Atheism springs out of Ignorance or militancy of thoughts...😛. May be!! May be!! Atheists are PRACTICAL, INTELLIGENT,LOGICAL and last but not least RESPONSIBLE persons😛. I say atheists are responsible because they don't dump the result of their acts on some other foriegn element called GOD or some sorta mysterious viscious cycle called KARMA or anyother thing..Atheists take responsibility of their ACTS😊

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i know many people who dont believe in god and just believe in their parents, and i think its their personal choice. as it is this world is "karma bhumi" and people are judged based on their deeds not belief in god.

i think those people who do good things, help others are better than people who just keep doing pooja path and are actually under world don.

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Originally posted by: myth13
but what is more interesting is your analysis ASSUMING that ATHEISTS are Naadan, Ignorant,rebellios(rather militant).

When did I say anything remotely similar to that? As far as I can remember, I stated there are militant atheists, (just as there are militant Muslims, militant Christians, militant Hindus, etc), who takes an active opposition to[wards] religion or God (they are, more commonly, known as antitheists, rather than atheist, due to their nature and attitude towards theism). Atheism, as it is defined, is just a lack of belief towards deities or any form of God. They could be ignorant and rebellious, just as they could be knowledgeable and liberal. Atheism isn't a state of desire; it's a state of being.

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Is it true that Atheism springs out of Ignorance or militancy of thoughts...😛. May be!! May be!!

Absolutely not. Atheism neither stems from ignorance, nor does it stem from militancy of thoughts. Atheist does not stem from anything. It is simply a lack of belief in deities, and is [commonly] said to be the default position amongst human beings (like baldness is a physical state of being without any hair, atheism is a mental state of being without the belief in any deities).

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Atheists are PRACTICAL, INTELLIGENT,LOGICAL and last but not least RESPONSIBLE persons😛. I say atheists are responsible because they don't dump the result of their acts on some other foriegn element called GOD or some sorta mysterious viscious cycle called KARMA or anyother thing..Atheists take responsibility of their ACTS😊

More accurately, atheists are just as much as human beings like any of us - believers or nonbelievers alike - and can possess good and bad qualities equally, just like the rest of the humanity. Atheists could be just as much as practical, intelligent, logical, and responsible as they could be impractical, unintelligent, illogical and irresponsible. Atheism isn't defined by one's character. It is defined through one's disbelief, or more accurately, one's lack of belief towards any form of God or deities. What character and/or characteristics one atheist possesses is determined by himself, and not by his atheism, just as what character and/or characteristics a theist possesses is determined by himself, and not by his theism.

Militancy occurs into every group. I wasn't necessarily pinpointing atheists and/or atheism here. (since the OP asked about our view towards atheism, I focused on that).

Maybe you should go through what I stated earlier, and read it again, which may clear the few misconceptions you had about my post?

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Originally posted by: cHargedsPRIt-
Who do you think they believe ? Themselves ? Then y are they Athiests ?? Shudn't believing oneself be THEISM ?

Please clarify what you mean by "believing in oneself"? Do you mean the belief, or faith, or self-confidence one has for oneself? Or do you mean believing in oneself as the creator of his own life?

Theism, as it is defined, is the belief in deities or God, and atheism, as it is defined, is the lack of belief in same. Thus, a person, with a lack of belief in God, but a belief in himself (I'm assuming you meant the self-confidence or belief one has for oneself) is an atheist, and not a theist.

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It is one extreme to believe in God.....it is another extreme not to believe in God, and we have to be just in the middle, absolutely balanced. Atheism becomes irrelevant...😃

I believe when we have found our inexhaustible sources of life and its ecstasy,... thn it does not matter whether you have a God or not. It does not matter whether there is a hell or a heaven. It does not matter at all….😊

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[ I say atheists are responsible because they don't dump the result of their acts on some other foriegn element called GOD or some sorta mysterious viscious cycle called KARMA or anyother thing..Atheists take responsibility of their ACTS😊
Cheers,

Myth

😊@Karma...If you look at nature, there are laws -- the whole of science is nothing but discovery of those laws -- but science has not come even close to detecting anything like the law of karma. Yes, it is certain that any action is going to bring certain reactions, but the law of karma is hoping for much more.....

A law has to be universal. For eg..., if you heat water to one hundred degrees centigrade, it will evaporate -- in Tibet, in Russia, in America, even in Oregon. In Oregon it will be a little puzzled, but all the same at one hundred degrees water will evaporate. Certainly the law of karma is neither a scientific law nor part of any legal system....😊

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