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Posted: 16 years ago
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Also, Jai's TapDog performance:
1.) When Remoji & Geetaji have given lower marks feeling the Tap Dance had little tap in it---IT IS THEIR HONEST DUTY AS TRUE CHOREOGRAPHERS & ARTISTS to have raised points after being enlightened!!!!! (Absolutely Downright Wrong, Wrong, Wrong Morally on their part---perhaps their ego got in the way, perhaps defense of feeling humiliated 4 not knowing)---however, it takes a much bigger person to step up to their own flaws & one can only better themselves that way....---Its OKAY 2 not know Every Dance form & Terence hasn't ever even explained his knowledge of it in any Show off way to them...
2.) Again as I'd pointed out in my essay above about Mithunji---him commenting like, "yeh tap dog ho ya tap cat ho..." "yeh locking ya pocking ho.." iz indirectly an insult to the art of Dance. Example, as some elders look down upon singing and mocking call it "gana bajana"---maybe some take it lightly & yet some hard working singers could mind it. So, even here perhaps some could even find it quite disrespectful to some international culturez dance forms Terenceji brings. How would we like it if someone (who firstly didn't even know about it) lauged at our Kathakali, Bharatnatyam respected dances and did some laughing on it. Perhaps he didn't mean it the extreme i've said above or intentionally or for the show it's been scripted---however, nothing gives a ticket to allow rudeness or hurt another'z sentimentz...The fact that from this show Many Support & Love Mithunda, but just question him on some controversy now is just sad to me...I wish he'd kept his respect totally and just increased it by allowing someone else w/ veto & comments....."Respect & Character are much easier kept than recovered"
Lastly, I know all my views above are quite critically detailed to extremez (even on little gestures being read thru TOOO much)---however, I did so to make certain pointz on the basis of humanity---where we can keep intact our values and yet be Funny / entertaining, where we can keep our morals & fairness and yet still Compete for any Sport or show.. (this show dared to keep the crap out and hence was liked far more for it---so i'd like to further encourage & just better that...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: simran777

😛Lovely Topic---tru said! Amen..

~u kinda remind me of myself...i can't write like "half-a-view", it's a must to get it all outta my system & read a Riot Act where necessary--iz like in my blood---hence, i'm an essay individual myself
~so, although tempted 2 write "Much" more---i'll stick 2 making 1 point 4 now which I feel strongly about & here goes:
Yunki mujae befazul baat karne ki adat toh hai nahi:-), lekin sochne wali baat yeh hai keh, "ISNT this a Dance Show"---apparently to Evaluate & bring out the Best???
So, why is it that Terence Ji was mocked SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO VERY MUCH to like NO end 4 doing his job!!!!! I mean I only wish like the otherz there did the Very Same as Him---keeping all their biases/insecurity issues/sick repetitious humor aside!! To the limit they stretched it---it became very distasteful & disheartening to watch...not to mention disrespectful because Furthermore, you're mocking a teacher of respect right in front of his students and to the public ( I dont recall similar disrespect towards Geetaji nor Remoji).
I mean is it that they didn't wanna make a "black sheep" image thru criticizing?? Or they refrained as they couldn't do a level in Evaluating the Dances as well as Terenceji?? To Mock what you're insecure of is a Very Well-Known "self-defense mechanism" in psychology...I'm just stating the facts, that's human nature & we all carry some or another form of these defense mechanisms, but back to my point...
Like seriously, what's the issue?!---There's one extreme end of a spectrum Judge (Terrific Terenceji) who did the JOB AS REQUIRED and then the other end where One'z always Speechless (Meh kya bolu/ meh kuch nahi bolunga---with all due respect 2 Mithunji) and the otherz falling in btwn playing kiddie games with the most Detrimental Aspect & Focus of this Show--to Making Proper Evaluationz n Critiquing..
Now to top it all off as a circus, the ONE Judge Actually doing his Job (and was thoroughly appreciated 4 it all along by public as well as contestants i'm sure) getz MOCKED 4 it?!!! It's downright pathetic & ridiculous..
A joke once fine, twice fine again, thrice annoying but still accepted----BUT TO NO LIMIT Again n Again????--doesn't make it a laughable anymore esp. to where Terenceji was brought to a position of saying " Okay next time I'll come with a Zipped/taped mouth"??? And the Colleague choreographerz (firstly not doing their own critiquing duty properly) carry the nerve/sheer audacity to join in poking fun?!! Clearly, there's something wrong here....
I mean for pete sake---A DANCE SHOW JUDGE IS MOCKED 4 DETAILED EVALUATIONZ.....how so very sad indeed, actually jokes apart I find it shameful---it's like mockery of Art, which many passionately place on a high pedestal & respect! I can't imagine even unintentionaly (forget intentionally) hurting pure sentiments to any vital entity like that...
So, all in all, that was very hard 4 me 2 digest...but i can just ride it off thinking that, "Common sense is not that common.." & if ignorance is a bliss, then we're certainly in heaven! Lol...anyhow, the fact that they point out the Minutest Details----is indirectly a compliment to Terenceji that he IS THE ONE INFACT DOING HIS JOB....Everyone that i know of looks FORWARD to & Listens w/ Undivided Attention to Terenceji's comments second to or even above the Dances....so that speaks in itself as the biggest compliment to him along with Of Course the workingz of his Great Choreography...❤️may All Good Things come his way Always....
Lastly, I'll end w/ a quote a.) about him & b.) one to him:
a.) In criticizing, the teacher is hoping to teach. That's all.
b.) Develop the mind of equilibrium.
for you will always be getting praise and blame,
but do not let either affect the poise of the mind,
follow the calmness, the absence of pride..
~Sutta Nipata
~An encouragement 4 u 2 stay the Beautiful way you Exactly are!! You're an A++ individual...
**phew, now this was ONE point I had 2 make!! LOL and yet i haven't even gone into the other onez...okie, back 2 studytime!!🤓



I was kind of angry about that at first, but I think the point they are trying to make is that sometimes he needs to just give them a break. Like some of the more nit-picky comments, he could have just told them backstage or something. Or sometimes, the contestants get overwhelmed by the "list" of corrections that he has. I think Mithunda just teases him to let them know that they are really good dancers and that Terrence is only telling them to help them. In a way, it helps the point come across better. Remember when Alisha was crying after one dance? Yes, that would have happened anyway, because it was the first time they didn't like her dance. But for the other contestants, had no one just stepped in and said "chill out Terrence" they might have reacted the same way only sooner.

Even if they weren't making a point, they were just teasing him. They all do that every now and then. They all imitated each others distinctive qualities in each episode. Even Terrence teased Mithunda of his old age when he slowly rose out of his chair to give a grand salute. Either way, what's worse, them making fun of Terrence for being nit-picky or telling Geeta to lose weight?

But I will admit, I didn't like it at all when they repeatedly called him onto stage to perform the same steps/stunts. And then after that they made fun of his shoes. I don't remember them calling Remo even once to repeat the stunts and steps that they had to do, and we all know Remo had the most stunts or lets just leave it at a lot. If I remember correctly, Terrence never made his contestants dance with fire...unlike the other two. That I agree is completely ridiculous that they called him on stage. That is disrespectful that the teacher has to prove himself in front of the students.

On the other hand, they probably made him do the stunts after we commented on here, and he was still giving them stunts. So they had to show that they weren't making the contestants do something horrific. They also probably cut off Terrence because they ran out of time. Actually, that's probably the most likely reason, and this was their way of being "discreet". There's only so much they can edit out without it sounding all strange and what-not. So they kind of just signaled for him to wrap it up.

I don't think Geeta or Remo really ever made fun of him on their own. It was usually Mithunda, who is kind of like the superguru here, so you can't really criticize him for most of it really. Afterwards Geeta and Remo might join in.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Simran, It just teasing; they're not insulting. Honestly, have you never been teased by a teacher? or even a friend?
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Posted: 16 years ago
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@chutneyx4404--and i agree w/ u dear!! It's usually Superguru GM who'd carry the nerve to start it & others joined in...this's where I say there's no free tickets to insults---be it any elderly/person of power or knowledge or talent.....I still love Mithunji & Remoji & Geetaji---just few actionz (due to wanting 2 win this show or feeling you can get away with things) did not sit well with me...
1.) Terenceji's points are Detailed & True---that being said, he should've also been told to say some and keep rest to say personally off-stage. I personally never felt he was Out of place or Rude in saying the truth----and it was genuine & only to better them! Of course, by nature we have different levels of sensitivity to different things, however Terenceji was not crossing the Lines of Humanity or Morality to put down anyone in any way shape or form.
2.) So, for the reason stated above, wouldn't it be more appropriate for the GM & other 2 Judges to appropriately say it to Terence off stage not to do that, as oppposed to time & time again mock him on stage 4 it?!! I'm DEAD certain Terenceji would not fight back and disrespect nor disobey their humble request. Also, perhaps there'd be less 4 Terenceji to point out if the 2 Judges & GM had done their end of the Job properly in commenting than "covering & complimenting own team" & "being speechless" most of the times...
3.) As far as Amazing Alisha having improved greatly with the yearning to learn more (as opposed 2 feeling she'z a know it all w/ cocky attitude saying im here 2 just win) is greatly a humble, true artist genuine sweet attitude THANKS 2 HER MENTOR!!!:-)
4.) I just cant help but imagine what Terenceji could brought out in the great talented dancers of Geetaji's team (MANDAKANI, Siddesh, Paulson, Noni (in firstly genuinely getting her physically fit if possible) etc...) AND even of Remoji's team (Salman, Bhavna, Prince (i'm dead certain he'd have improved on attempting to enhance his versatility in dancing) etc..)
5.) So, in conclusion Many of the funny things ( Mujae star yaad ah geya, Saumya's teasing, & all other silly stuff) are accepted & great!! Just when it comez to the Main Focus of Show = Dance & Evaluation....these should be taken seriously & improved upon rather than mocked at, laughed at, and in the end nothing done about LOL....clearly, that won't aid in Getting Us India's BEST Dancing Star!
yaar i LUV ur quote, "Thas my 2 cents, if ya dnt like it---keep the change!" hahahaaaaa love it!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Thanks so much for your comments everyone! I really enjoyed reading them all.
@ Dabulls23: LOL thanks yaar. :D
@ Simran: LOL *high five* for writting essays! :D
I agree with you yaar, and I def. feel that Mithunda has spoilt his own reputation through this show in a way....I too respected and admired him alot more before this show. I think it's all about pride- if he had taken suggestions like you said from someone more knowledgeable in dance, I wouldn't have minded him at all. I would've respected him more actually for that since we all know he's not a dance master or anything so it would've been totally acceptable. Same goes for Remo- the pride and ego issue again, and same for Geeta as well.
If these people would take criticism in a healthy way they would've benefited more in the end. They would've had better dancers and given better dances. Criticism is more helpful than harmful I feel.
I agree with you about Terrence and the other dancers. I also really strongly believe that if Terrence had guided some of the other dancers, they would've grown and been more versatile, in the end becoming better dancers. All of the 18 contestants starting out had the same potential I think...it was just upto the masters to bring out the best in them...and I think Terrence is the only one who did actually fulfilled that. Other contestants may have grown a little bit...but I feel they are still pretty much at the same place as they started out with. They haven't really overcomed most of their weaknesses.
@ chutneyx4404: Thanks so much for your thoughts! I agree with you completely about Mithunda asking Terrence to perform the acts on stage. It was totally disrespectful. And really good point about Geeta as well..I was so shocked when he asked her to loose weight. Anyways, I think his reputation has def. gone down after this.
And ya like you I too feel that Remo and Geeta are pretty respectful to Terrence for the most part. Sometimes of course they disagree. I feel like there's more tension between Remo and Geeta than either two of them with Terrence. lol. Like how Remo didn't pick Siddesh and Geeta didn't pick Salman for the top 4 list. lol just an assumption they may be totally cool with each other who knows. lol
Thanks everyone for replying! =)
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: simran777

@chutneyx4404--and i agree w/ u dear!! It's usually Superguru GM who'd carry the nerve to start it & others joined in...this's where I say there's no free tickets to insults---be it any elderly/person of power or knowledge or talent.....I still love Mithunji & Remoji & Geetaji---just few actionz (due to wanting 2 win this show or feeling you can get away with things) did not sit well with me...

1.) Terenceji's points are Detailed & True---that being said, he should've also been told to say some and keep rest to say personally off-stage. I personally never felt he was Out of place or Rude in saying the truth----and it was genuine & only to better them! Of course, by nature we have different levels of sensitivity to different things, however Terenceji was not crossing the Lines of Humanity or Morality to put down anyone in any way shape or form.
2.) So, for the reason stated above, wouldn't it be more appropriate for the GM & other 2 Judges to appropriately say it to Terence off stage not to do that, as oppposed to time & time again mock him on stage 4 it?!! I'm DEAD certain Terenceji would not fight back and disrespect nor disobey their humble request. Also, perhaps there'd be less 4 Terenceji to point out if the 2 Judges & GM had done their end of the Job properly in commenting than "covering & complimenting own team" & "being speechless" most of the times...
3.) As far as Amazing Alisha having improved greatly with the yearning to learn more (as opposed 2 feeling she'z a know it all w/ cocky attitude saying im here 2 just win) is greatly a humble, true artist genuine sweet attitude THANKS 2 HER MENTOR!!!:-)
4.) I just cant help but imagine what Terenceji could brought out in the great talented dancers of Geetaji's team (MANDAKANI, Siddesh, Paulson, Noni (in firstly genuinely getting her physically fit if possible) etc...) AND even of Remoji's team (Salman, Bhavna, Prince (i'm dead certain he'd have improved on attempting to enhance his versatility in dancing) etc..)
5.) So, in conclusion Many of the funny things ( Mujae star yaad ah geya, Saumya's teasing, & all other silly stuff) are accepted & great!! Just when it comez to the Main Focus of Show = Dance & Evaluation....these should be taken seriously & improved upon rather than mocked at, laughed at, and in the end nothing done about LOL....clearly, that won't aid in Getting Us India's BEST Dancing Star!
yaar i LUV ur quote, "Thas my 2 cents, if ya dnt like it---keep the change!" hahahaaaaa love it!



2. Touche. They could have said it later for a couple of their comments. At the same time, if they hadn't said anything, for some of the viewers, the list may just make it seem like they are weaker dancers, so it reminds them that they are not actually weak dancers. I mean, if you actually listen, it is constructive, but I think we all know that not all the viewers do that. Just sayin'.

4. I think that at least Remo did a pretty good job of getting out their strengths and Geeta at times as well. I think the problem was that they couldn't cope as well as Terrence could with having a lot of dancers. They didn't really focus their attention on all of them. Mangesh was clearly neglected after he came back. Geeta lost a lot and finally brought out her choroegraphy when there was just one duet and two solos to choreograph. (like the Romance episode). I don't really think Terrence could have gotten Nonni physically fit. I think he would have used it more to his advantage. I mean, the girl actually had a lot of strength. And as for Sunita, she did as much as she was willing to work for. We all saw them with Terrence. Back to Remo, most of the time his attention is more to one person or the other. At first it was Salman and his stunts, and when they told him to stop, he paid more attention to Prince. A really short time it was Khushboo as well. I will admit though, Terrence a couple of times paid more attention to some of his dancers over others.

)Haha, thanks for the compliment :) I was just kind of thinking about that phrase and idk...I thought it was funny. :)

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