I think that BB really did deserve 30 this time! - Page 5

Originally posted by: Lord-Mangeshwar

Thank you everyone - not just for the replies, but also for watching the clip 😊

I do agree with everyone that there is only so much we can judge in a 10 second clip... but hey, it's probably the most powerful 10 second clip of any dance that I've ever seen on JDJ! hehehe.

It is worth mentioning though, that the dances by Karan Bhai and Hard Kaur both looked absolutely awesome also 👍🏼

After Friday, I'm sure that I'll be one of those people that says "man, how come KSG didn't get 30 also, because his performance was brilliant as well!" 😳

As of now, I am under the impression that once again Karan Bhai has NOT been given his fair dues from the judges... but in this topic, my main point was to say that Mr Baichung B does seem to have really earned the 30.

Performances like this, KSG's Khuda Jaane and Rakhi Sawant's child abuse performance in Yeh Hai Jalwa they are a lot more than just dances performances... they have meaning to them as well as a story to tell...

I'm a big fan of performances like this 😊

And finally, sakshiluvskaran, of course you can call me Mango Bhai 😊 I actually prefer being called by that name - even at work most of my staff call me Mango Bhai 😃

God bless.

thanks mango bhai.......... i too was touched by that bb's clip but still i can't forget the previous injustice and partiality......... yes karan's performance also lukd amazing as dancing on skates is not a child's play and as known from TB he did it fairly well.............. u can call me sakshi. waise i loved all your previous posts. u write remarkably well.

Karan can be a good performer but I never saw him using his full potential on any performance....Even his choreographer Nicole does not give him steps sometimes which are as per the song or dancing style or new or creative.... Whereas in Baichung's performance, you can find yourself enjoying it (if & only if you completely forget that you are Karan or Baichung's fan at that moment)... Baichung's performances are always pleasure to watch....Sonia's choreography is also very effective and innovative... She knows what are Baichung's plus and minus points.... So she tries to show his plus points and hide his minus points in her choreography without making it usual....She knows that nobody is perfect here including KSG & Hk...The same applies to Baichung and honestly even more than others....
In many KSG performances, some common steps, lifts and style are used which I am sure many of us has seen earlier....Khuda Jaane concept was good but the choreography especially the lifts were like " I-have-seen-it-earlier-somewhere"...Also they were not as per the standard of the concept & the song as well...
Now the instances of KSG's 1st & jugalbandi performances.... They were terrible....It is an honest statement whether anyone believes it or not.... I could not make out that what he was dancing in his 1st performance as he was moving around the dance floor with style and only sometimes moving his body & feet with Nicole.This kind of performance is only for stage shows like for example Sallu Bhai does (no offence to anyone) where charm overpowers dancing and not for a competition.Also what kind of jugalbandi was going on in that jugalbandi episode???? It was more of a cross-cultural group dance than a jugalbandi....Hard Kaur's & Baichung's performances were the good examples of jugalbandi....

Coming to lip-sync, KSG was doing an Indian dance that too folk where lip-sync is almost necessry....Baichung was doing Salsa in blindfold where lip-sync with the song is not required...So I dont think marks can be cut on that.... Baichung himself said that he didn't sing thats why judges said that 'ok maaf' otherwise judges would not have pointed it themselves as they are very well aware that lip-sync is not mandatory in salsa.... Is anyone expecting the judges to say on camera that "No Beta, lip-sync is not mandatory in salsa. You have done nothing wrong"....So they just said 'Aapko maaf"....
Anyone still having doubt can go though the online videos of salsa done by international dancers... The salsa dancers usually do not lip-sync even on the songs having lyrics or words....

Now coming to the fumbling in the blindfold performances, Karan was usually staying in one place and Nicole was dancing around him.... He made that area his own comfort zone in that perfromance...Rarely he stepped out of that in his performance..... It was also pointed out by other contestants....Also the salsa steps were very plain and common.... Whereas Baichung performed turns which are difficult while in blindfold and he was also dancing around Sonia like Sonia was dancing around him.... He also danced for falling down which was part of the step and performance when 'Kisi ki mohabbat' line was sung... He fumbled in between a little but he & Sonia never broke the synchronisation they had.... They were perfectly in sync....

Nicole's black ribbon was not in place after loosening and even if she was able to see something below the ribbon, she could have ignored that and continued with her dancing... But after the ribbon loosened, she was shown to lift her chin in the rest of her dance.... nobody said that she left loose her black ribbon intentionally but after the unexpected incident, her chin was up and probably she was able to see few things... That does not mean that KSG & Nicole came unprepared and did this trick to make their performance work.... No judge ever said that....So stop bashing the judges for that!!!
Judges say something to Nicole then people are saying that judges insulted her credibility but if some people in this forum bash those judges who are few of the top dancers of India that they are biased then it is ok.... Wow!!! How Convenient!!!!

@rittu its a matter of perspective and difference in opinions exist but judges said u were shaky and then aapko sab maaf and one sec if they didnt want him to lip sync as its salsa then why they asked him that why werent u lip-synching and then he said i didnt understand the lyrics and then they said aapko sab maaf. and as far as i am concerned i enjoy karan's performances thoroughly except jugalbandi and there is zing which is missing in bb's performance(strictly my opinion) i didnt wanted to compare but was forced. u know liking a performjance is subjective and thus difference in opinions exist and we as viewers cant see the technicality but judges can and karan's blind fold performance was a pro level performance as pointed by vaibhavi but then they said nicole cud see and when karan said ki they will dance again they all went silent and gave them 27 for a performance which deserved 30 and then they pointed that u were lip-synching as well and as u say its not needed in salsa then why judges pointed. they did not point any flaws but cut marks which is wrong..........

Originally posted by: rittu_084

Karan can be a good performer but I never saw him using his full potential on any performance....Even his choreographer Nicole does not give him steps sometimes which are as per the song or dancing style or new or creative.... Whereas in Baichung's performance, you can find yourself enjoying it (if & only if you completely forget that you are Karan or Baichung's fan at that moment)... Baichung's performances are always pleasure to watch....Sonia's choreography is also very effective and innovative... She knows what are Baichung's plus and minus points.... So she tries to show his plus points and hide his minus points in her choreography without making it usual....She knows that nobody is perfect here including KSG & Hk...The same applies to Baichung and honestly even more than others....
In many KSG performances, some common steps, lifts and style are used which I am sure many of us has seen earlier....Khuda Jaane concept was good but the choreography especially the lifts were like " I-have-seen-it-earlier-somewhere"...Also they were not as per the standard of the concept & the song as well...
Now the instances of KSG's 1st & jugalbandi performances.... They were terrible....It is an honest statement whether anyone believes it or not.... I could not make out that what he was dancing in his 1st performance as he was moving around the dance floor with style and only sometimes moving his body & feet with Nicole.This kind of performance is only for stage shows like for example Sallu Bhai does (no offence to anyone) where charm overpowers dancing and not for a competition.Also what kind of jugalbandi was going on in that jugalbandi episode???? It was more of a cross-cultural group dance than a jugalbandi....Hard Kaur's & Baichung's performances were the good examples of jugalbandi....

Coming to lip-sync, KSG was doing an Indian dance that too folk where lip-sync is almost necessry....Baichung was doing Salsa in blindfold where lip-sync with the song is not required...So I dont think marks can be cut on that.... Baichung himself said that he didn't sing thats why judges said that 'ok maaf' otherwise judges would not have pointed it themselves as they are very well aware that lip-sync is not mandatory in salsa.... Is anyone expecting the judges to say on camera that "No Beta, lip-sync is not mandatory in salsa. You have done nothing wrong"....So they just said 'Aapko maaf"....
Anyone still having doubt can go though the online videos of salsa done by international dancers... The salsa dancers usually do not lip-sync even on the songs having lyrics or words....

Now coming to the fumbling in the blindfold performances, Karan was usually staying in one place and Nicole was dancing around him.... He made that area his own comfort zone in that perfromance...Rarely he stepped out of that in his performance..... It was also pointed out by other contestants....Also the salsa steps were very plain and common.... Whereas Baichung performed turns which are difficult while in blindfold and he was also dancing around Sonia like Sonia was dancing around him.... He also danced for falling down which was part of the step and performance when 'Kisi ki mohabbat' line was sung... He fumbled in between a little but he & Sonia never broke the synchronisation they had.... They were perfectly in sync....

Nicole's black ribbon was not in place after loosening and even if she was able to see something below the ribbon, she could have ignored that and continued with her dancing... But after the ribbon loosened, she was shown to lift her chin in the rest of her dance.... nobody said that she left loose her black ribbon intentionally but after the unexpected incident, her chin was up and probably she was able to see few things... That does not mean that KSG & Nicole came unprepared and did this trick to make their performance work.... No judge ever said that....So stop bashing the judges for that!!!
Judges say something to Nicole then people are saying that judges insulted her credibility but if some people in this forum bash those judges who are few of the top dancers of India that they are biased then it is ok.... Wow!!! How Convenient!!!!

Originally posted by: rittu_084

Karan can be a good performer but I never saw him using his full potential on any performance....Even his choreographer Nicole does not give him steps sometimes which are as per the song or dancing style or new or creative.... Whereas in Baichung's performance, you can find yourself enjoying it (if & only if you completely forget that you are Karan or Baichung's fan at that moment)... Baichung's performances are always pleasure to watch....Sonia's choreography is also very effective and innovative... She knows what are Baichung's plus and minus points.... So she tries to show his plus points and hide his minus points in her choreography without making it usual....She knows that nobody is perfect here including KSG & Hk...The same applies to Baichung and honestly even more than others....
In many KSG performances, some common steps, lifts and style are used which I am sure many of us has seen earlier....Khuda Jaane concept was good but the choreography especially the lifts were like " I-have-seen-it-earlier-somewhere"...Also they were not as per the standard of the concept & the song as well...
Now the instances of KSG's 1st & jugalbandi performances.... They were terrible....It is an honest statement whether anyone believes it or not.... I could not make out that what he was dancing in his 1st performance as he was moving around the dance floor with style and only sometimes moving his body & feet with Nicole.This kind of performance is only for stage shows like for example Sallu Bhai does (no offence to anyone) where charm overpowers dancing and not for a competition.Also what kind of jugalbandi was going on in that jugalbandi episode???? It was more of a cross-cultural group dance than a jugalbandi....Hard Kaur's & Baichung's performances were the good examples of jugalbandi....

Coming to lip-sync, KSG was doing an Indian dance that too folk where lip-sync is almost necessry....Baichung was doing Salsa in blindfold where lip-sync with the song is not required...So I dont think marks can be cut on that.... Baichung himself said that he didn't sing thats why judges said that 'ok maaf' otherwise judges would not have pointed it themselves as they are very well aware that lip-sync is not mandatory in salsa.... Is anyone expecting the judges to say on camera that "No Beta, lip-sync is not mandatory in salsa. You have done nothing wrong"....So they just said 'Aapko maaf"....
Anyone still having doubt can go though the online videos of salsa done by international dancers... The salsa dancers usually do not lip-sync even on the songs having lyrics or words....

Now coming to the fumbling in the blindfold performances, Karan was usually staying in one place and Nicole was dancing around him.... He made that area his own comfort zone in that perfromance...Rarely he stepped out of that in his performance..... It was also pointed out by other contestants....Also the salsa steps were very plain and common.... Whereas Baichung performed turns which are difficult while in blindfold and he was also dancing around Sonia like Sonia was dancing around him.... He also danced for falling down which was part of the step and performance when 'Kisi ki mohabbat' line was sung... He fumbled in between a little but he & Sonia never broke the synchronisation they had.... They were perfectly in sync....

Nicole's black ribbon was not in place after loosening and even if she was able to see something below the ribbon, she could have ignored that and continued with her dancing... But after the ribbon loosened, she was shown to lift her chin in the rest of her dance.... nobody said that she left loose her black ribbon intentionally but after the unexpected incident, her chin was up and probably she was able to see few things... That does not mean that KSG & Nicole came unprepared and did this trick to make their performance work.... No judge ever said that....So stop bashing the judges for that!!!
Judges say something to Nicole then people are saying that judges insulted her credibility but if some people in this forum bash those judges who are few of the top dancers of India that they are biased then it is ok.... Wow!!! How Convenient!!!!