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Posted: 16 years ago
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It is funny how I have been noticing numerous debates regarding a perfect 30 score for some of the contestant vs others lately which reminds me of a particular incident during my childhood. Just want to share this with you with no negative intention or a motive to give moral advice!

In my school, when the exam sheets were returned to the students after scoring,
it was a common practice among students to compare the answer sheets with other class-mates and more than often Y student would realize that although he answered similar to X, he still got lesser marks for a particular answer. Y would then run to the teacher with his and X's answer sheets and try to argue about the validity of score. Surprisingly the frustrated teacher who might have had his/her own reasons to score the students in a certain way would send X back and deduct another 1 mark from Y's total score just to discourage students from comparing the score with each other. Idea was to encourage students to argue on something on their own merit (e.g. by bringing the text-book or a more valid proof to claim the marks) rather than comparing with fellow students.


After my BS, just for fun I taught 5th, 6th and 9th graders in my aunt's school for 6 months. Also during my PhD, I got chance to teach undergrad students in the USA. My experience also says that sometime it becomes easier to ignore a similar mistake by one student in comparison to other when

1) you realize that overall knowledge/understanding of X is better than Y or

2) you see a tremendous improvement in X compared to his performance in previous exam and you as a teacher would want to encourage X to continue performing better.

Thanks for reading!

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Posted: 16 years ago
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i sooo agree wid u!
very well written! 👏
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Thank you guys for your response.

To me, JDJ3 is at a very beautiful phase where every celebrity is highly talented and I believe the competition is going to be so tough now that participants can only go one way from here which is the way towards perfecting their performances both in terms of dance and concept........as well as costumes because I think clothes make a big difference!!

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Posted: 16 years ago
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It's strange because it seems the war's going on in both the forums and on sets.😛

Great story btw...and I must admit, I was always one of those that took my paper and compared it with everyone I could find!😒😆...the only difference was...it motivated me to work harder for next time...because I was convinced that there was something that must have been lacking in mine and not because the teacher was being partial.

Of the judges in JDJ, we cannot be sure that they're measuring everyone by the same standard and therein lies the problem. The problem here is...there are too many variables that come into play when trying to judge so it cannot be against the same standard For example Age.

If I see someone like Mohinderji (I still love you) for example complete a move which others at his age would not even dream of being able to do with minimal satisfaction...I would immediately think.."Arre wah...thats pretty good considering his age" but perhaps if that same move was done by someone younger...I'd probably not think so much of it because I'd expect them to do better because I'd expect them to have strength, energy etc on their side.

Therefore, you can say the standard varies from person to person and the judges are judging the person based on themselves and their performances and not comparing it to others.

I had a point in there somewhere LOL...might have gotten lost but I hope you get the gist.
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Edited by LabRat34 - 16 years ago
Posted: 16 years ago
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well.. i dont think there is a war of thirty..
because its quite clear the judges have no idea what there judging in the first place. so the judge's marks arent really valid.. and are pretty useless.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Ratz...thanks for your response! I got the point as well as the gist 👍🏼

Very important thing that you mentioned in your post is about 'multiple variables' involved in judging JDJ3 performers. I totally agree with that and I think that is playing a significant role in judges' decision to score.

Thanks for sharing your reasoning!

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Yes there are many other varibles that count and its possible tat popularity might not be one of the variable to be considered.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I see what you're saying Doctor Butterfly... and you may well be correct - maybe the judges are being a bit stricter with the contestants who are from a line like acting, than they would be with people from a sports line (like Mohinder ji and Mr Baichung B).

However, my problem with the judging is that it doesn't seem like they are being more lenient or strict on certain aspects - instead it seems that they have totally different agendas for judging different participants!

I'll give an example... for lip syncing, maybe it is justifiable to expect an actor to be better at lip syncing than a sports star... I think that is fair enough. Therefore if the actor doesn't do it, take off two marks from him or her, and if the sports star doesn't do it, take off one mark 👍🏼

At the end of the day, it shows that the aspect is being taken into consideration for both contestants, and the marks were given according to how far the participants have had to come in their journey through dance 😊

However, to totally ignore one aspect for one contestant, and then totally nail another one really badly for it, I think it's ridiculous and absured! 😳

Stuff like that has happened quite a few times in the show so far... and hence the reason why I have very little respect for the judges this season - I really do not believe that they have a fair and consistent approach to judging. It often seems that they haven't even decided what they are looking for in a performance!

And so stuff like that makes members like myself asks questions about whether some participants are getting a raw deal or not. I do believe that some contestants really do deserve the high marks that they are consistantly getting... but at the same time, I feel that some are getting unfairly whupped 😳

If the judges were consistent, then I doubt that there would be any problems... but that is clearly not the case!

God bless.

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Mango Bhai, thank you for your input...much appreciated!!

I don't want to go into specifics and focus my energies on any one or two participants. As I stated earlier, multiple factors are playing role in scoring as well as voting. Different people have advantaged and/or suffered in different ways. If we try and dig up each and every thing, this forum will be a mess. That is why I believe in enjoying the dance performances and expect others to do so too. Voting and scoring is more complicated than any one of us can ever comprehend and put a meaning to.


Cheers!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Lord-Mangeshwar

I see what you're saying Doctor Butterfly... and you may well be correct - maybe the judges are being a bit stricter with the contestants who are from a line like acting, than they would be with people from a sports line (like Mohinder ji and Mr Baichung B).

However, my problem with the judging is that it doesn't seem like they are being more lenient or strict on certain aspects - instead it seems that they have totally different agendas for judging different participants!

I'll give an example... for lip syncing, maybe it is justifiable to expect an actor to be better at lip syncing than a sports star... I think that is fair enough. Therefore if the actor doesn't do it, take off two marks from him or her, and if the sports star doesn't do it, take off one mark 👍🏼

At the end of the day, it shows that the aspect is being taken into consideration for both contestants, andthe marks were given according to how far the participants have had to come in theirjourney throughdance 😊

However, to totally ignore one aspect for one contestant, and then totally nail another one really badly for it, I think it's ridiculous and absured! 😳

Stuff like that has happened quite a few times in the show sofar... and hence the reason why I havevery little respect for the judges thisseason -I really do not believe that they have a fair and consistentapproach to judging. It often seems that theyhaven't even decidedwhat they are lookingfor in a performance!

And so stuff like that makes members like myself asks questions about whether some participants are getting a raw deal or not. I do believe that some contestants really do deserve the high marks that they are consistantly getting... but at the same time, I feel that some are getting unfairly whupped 😳

If the judges were consistent, then I doubt that there would be any problems... but that is clearly not the case!

God bless.



Agree wid each and every word..... 👏

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