5 jan: big things, little things

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hmmm... y'know the first thought i had when i finished watching? whether smits (sshekar) wasn't right about not stopping the wfp (waiting for prem) count until prem's back. 'cause they seem to be trying really hard to persuade us that this ain't prem? no?

* big thing: 'kay, is it just me, or has the quality of production gone down since the "rajasthan" footage? i mean, i know there were some brilliant (seriously!) outdoorshots. but even the indoor shots then -- like the engagement ring ceremony -- was beautiful. for some reason it's not as spectacular anymore. is it just me? 😕

* little thing: loved preet again today. loved how he walked in looking troubled. and then physically reworked a smile back on his face when he looked up. and of course, how can one not love him for having come out to look for his bhabhi when she went missing? seriously. preet has always been a sweetheart on this show. isn't it amazing how prem-heer has all of us obsessed? there must be something seriously, unnaturally, gripping 'bout prem-heer that we give preet such little time.

* little thing: *sigh* i see that they haven't yet figured out how to work a blackhole into the story to take veera to a planet in a galaxy far-far-away. 'kay, kimz, i guess i'm now hoping that they will get her pet dog to eat her up some episodes later as a more possible get-veera-out story-line. *double sigh*

* little thing: 'kay, did anyone else think that today heer was behaving like a goldfish in a bowl? seriously woman, get a grip on that lower jaw! it. is. not. natural. no matter what your new creative head or director tell you! disobey them, damnit!! ever seen prem stand around like a goldfish in a bowl??? hmmmmmmm???!!!!

* little thing: er... did anyone else catch that kodiyon-pal was with ratpal?? what happened to satyapal??? and did anyone catch that kodiyonpal was ... um ... staring at ratpal most of the time? um... so... are we to assume that ratpal does .. uh ... bend the other way (which is how vibhs put it, i think. 😆 man, i miss vibha!) and that kodiyon-pal has replaced satyapal in ratpal's affections?? 🤣

* little thing: inn't it funny how there was absolutely no one in the control room during the ceremony? 🤣 and that all the monitors were in standby mode??? 🤣🤣🤣 boy when prem says that he works only two-hours, he really means it, don't he??? 🤣

* big thing: heer's definitely in prem-denial mode. she still thinks he's in the moon. but ain't it cute? she asks prem-in-the-moon what she is to do? and .. everything around her aligns to give her the sign. the dancer's song is "aaja sawariya, aah, aah, aah" at that moment. and of course, prem walks back in.

* big thing: y'know? i also think the scriptwriting is getting weaker. example 1 was that entire royal-painter episode. example 2 was that prem walks-in moment. i mean, think 'bout it: heer obviously heard him come in. i think he was whistling. she thought it was ratty. why? i thought perhaps prem was whistling "their tune" and she (in prem-denial mode) must've convinced herself that it was ravan with his lighter. and that is when she took of in such a hysterical manner.

see! doesn't that make better sense? 'cause the way it was shot was toooo fuzzy - i mean, why the heck did heer get that hysterical, that suddenly?! mine's better! *said firmly, while hardening the not-so-lovely estee jaw* donchya think?

er... d'you think that i should apply for the post of script-corrector-at-the-very-last-second there? 😆

* little thing: 'kay, dunno 'bout all of you, but i found prem's reaction to heer's hysteria really really funny! and no, i didn't think it was perfect. there were shades of my gang-boys in that reaction. the way his eyes went wide when she started off on him and kept going. that was sooo typical! but he missed what my guys usually do, which is: much looking upto the heavens for help. and tightening their lips so that they will not advertantly say something -- 'cause that would only get more outbursts from the girls! 😆 more than that -- i totally loved his hands going instinctively to his head. but he didn't finish the move so i couldn't figure whether he wanted to tear his hair out, or stuff his fingers into his ears! 🤣 or was that just hc being hc concerned about the headband not being on just-so?? *hc! focus! you're being prem who doesn't know he's prem!*

but what was that rotating his head (like he was suddenly exercising his neck muscles)?? reminded me of arnold schwarzenegger in the terminator movies which suddenly creeped me out. is this prem the terminator come back from the future??! and eeeks. same with the head move he made after he got his keys from the table. *shiver* unless, of course, this prem the terminator is out to terminate ratpal!! oooh, now that would be uber-cool! 😆

* almost-persuaded-me-it-was-prem thing: but i must say. i did like the way prem couldn't just walk away. seriously. 😍 i mean, i have no clue
(a) what hey-look-at-me!-i'm-so-cool prem is doing with a really large white hankie. my boy gang wouldn't be caught dead with those! 🤣 and
(b) what did argh!-hate-girls-and-their-tears! prem thought a girl with a long dupatta would need that hankie for (er, aren't dupattas just a convenient way to wear a big hankie? i don't wear 'em and always wondered... 😆)

but still. after all those cheap "girls!" comments and the hands wanting to shut out heer's cries. the look on his face in that microscopic moment when he went still after turning away from heer with his keys... that was ... prem. that was! but example 3 of bad scripting: that entire walk to heer, the entire leaning across to take the key, to put the hankie -- no good. it all looked rather forced. and did he have to go so close to heer to get his keys??! hmmmm... or is that yet another sign that that's prem who can't really stay away from his heer? 😆

* little thing: 'kay, totally didn't get why heer suddenly jerked away to realise it wasn't ratpal. 'cause he would never have been that courteous? was that it? or was it that finally a prem presence filtered into her denial/misery? or did prem walk out whistling "their" tune again? that confused me tonnes. why was heer suddenly that concerned about anything/anyone other than her misery? *big time frown*

* big thing: so, with all the scripting messes above, it was the last segment that made the episode. and of the three people who were on the podium, for the first time i realised that ag was a very good actress. and that in comparison the actor playing ratpal is not at all good. it's as if he think that a smirk on his face enough to get a need-revenge! attitude across.

but this is the moment that ratty's waiting for. his major and final straw to back the break of the juneja family. he should have been gloating, triumphant. but the delivery of his lines? it was ... watery. as smelly as the sewage that ratty probably lives in. there should've been more fire. more manic intensity. unfortunately this guy has never delivered the mad passion that ravan's lines need. he is a bad actor - just does not use his voice (like hc and ag and even dq/sr do brilliantly) to convince us of ravan's passion. pity.

and so the defining moment that made that scene was heer's last desperate shake at ratpal as if asking for just that one more night of reprieve. the silent resignation that you could almost not see on her face when she realises that he is not going to have any mercy. and from the moment that the camera shows how heer hand is beginning to move away from lalit juneja's grasp to the time that she reaches ratpal's side - the camerawork here was excellent - the closeups, the zoom outs, the different angles - it all worked! and that last shot of heer without any tears but her eyes downcast. and that unaccepting disbelief on lalit juneja's face... brilliant. 👏

so - here's a question: is lalit juneja going to collapse with a heart-attack and die? 'cause you know, in the ramayan, king dasharath does die. and there is some ceremony that gets done without ram (and lakshman) around. and will that be enough to satisfy ratpal's need for revenge? 'cause for all practical purposes, prem's dead, right?

* little thing: that precap was ... too deliberately prem-centric to trust. so i'm not gonna trust all the prem-character allusions in it. *yeah, i can be as good at precap-denial as heer is at prem-denial...😆* the only thing interesting in it that the crew did collect all the material recorded and that it's likely that prem'll edited the material. maybe he'll even bring the tapes around to the juneja house to deliver it to the family?

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* little thing: should i restart the wfp count? 😆
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highlight of the episode: preet's face when he sits back down at the table. he rocked. 🤗

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: estee

hmmm... y'know the first thought i had when i finished watching? whether smits (sshekar) wasn't right about not stopping the wfp (waiting for prem) count until prem's back. 'cause they seem to be trying really hard to persuade us that this ain't prem? no?

big thing: 'kay, is it just me, or has the quality of production gone down since the "rajasthan" footage? i mean, i know there were some brilliant (seriously!) outdoorshots. but even the indoor shots then -- like the engagement ring ceremony -- was beautiful. for some reason it's not as spectacular anymore. is it just me? 😕

little thing: loved preet again today. loved how he walked in looking troubled. and then physically reworked a smile back on his face when he looked up. and of course, how can one not love him for having come out to look for his bhabhi when she went missing? seriously. preet has always been a sweetheart on this show. isn't it amazing how prem-heer has all of us obsessed? there must be something seriously, unnaturally, gripping 'bout prem-heer that we give preet such little time.
I agree, you gotta love Preet, he's just a sweetheart, the show would be incomplete without Preet, He'd definitley going to win the Fav Bhai award at Spa this year lol.

little thing: *sigh* i see that they haven't yet figured out how to work a blackhole into the story to take veera to a planet in a galaxy far-far-away. 'kay, kimz, i guess i'm now hoping that they will get her pet dog to eat her up some episodes later as a more possible get-veera-out story-line. *double sigh*
They should put some energy into plotting a shot where Veera get's hit by a bus or something lol I hate her too... well doesn't everybody.. one thing that bugs me is why would a guy like Nihaal fall for an immature, pre-mature, squeeky voiced girl like Veera lool.Now he's what you call a jodi ka ghulam.

little thing: 'kay, did anyone else think that today heer was behaving like a goldfish in a bowl? seriously woman, get a grip on that lower jaw! it. is. not. natural. no matter what your new creative head or director tell you! disobey them, damnit!! ever seen prem stand around like a goldfish in a bowl??? hmmmmmmm???!!!!

little thing: er... did anyone else catch that kodiyon-pal was with ratpal?? what happened to satyapal??? and did anyone catch that kodiyonpal was ... um ... staring at ratpal most of the time? um... so... are we to assume that ratpal does .. uh ... bend the other way (which is how vibhs put it, i think. 😆 man, i miss vibha!) and that kodiyon-pal has replaced satyapal in ratpal's affections?? 🤣
LOL you know who these two remind me of! Mr. Burns and Smithers... lol how he;s always leaning over ratpal and all *shudders* whoa indian tv is changing lol!

little thing: inn't it funny how there was absolutely no one in the control room during the ceremony? 🤣 and that all the monitors were in standby mode??? 🤣🤣🤣 boy when prem says that he works only two-hours, he really means it, don't he??? 🤣

big thing: heer's definitely in prem-denial mode. she still thinks he's in the moon. but ain't it cute? she asks prem-in-the-moon what she is to do? and .. everything around her aligns to give her the sign. the dancer's song is "aaja sawariya, aah, aah, aah" at that moment and faux-prem walks in.
LOL, aw I know eh, the whole universe just shifts itself into Prem and Heer mode... the moon comes out the two doves just wait for their cue to fly down to a branch near their window sill. It's cute how she looks at the moon but I always have silly thoughts like.. wow is Prem some alien/man on the moon now.. she;s accepted that he's not on earth anymore... he just moved to the moon.

y'know? i thought the scriptwriting is getting weaker. example 1 was that entire royal-painter episode. example 2 was that prem walks-in moment. i mean, think 'bout it: heer obviously heard him come in. i think he was whistling. she thought it was ratty. why? i thought perhaps prem was whistling "their tune" and she (in prem-denial mode) must've convinced herself that it was ravan with his lighter. and that is when she took of in such a hysterical manner.
Ok, so in real life if you would naturally turn around to see who's in the room wouldn't you.. it's so dumb and if Prem and Heer and feel eachother's ehsaas how come she only felt it when he left? lol and no offense but if i was Gaurav or Prem.. whoever the guy was I'd kinda think Heer's a little crazy too.. I mean she was crying hysterically and telling him to get out lol.

see! doesn't that make sense? 'cause the way it was shot was toooo fuzzy - i mean, why the heck did heer get that hysterical, that suddenly?! mine's better! *said firmly, while hardening the not-so-lovely estee jaw* donchya think?

er... d'you think that i should apply for the post of script-corrector-at-the-very-last-second there? 😆

little thing: 'kay, dunno 'bout all of you, but i found prem's reaction to heer's hysteria really really funny! and i didn't think it was perfect. there were shades of my gang-boys in that reaction. the way his eyes went wide when she started off on him and kept going. that was sooo typical! but he missed what my guys usually do, which is: much looking upto the heavens for help. and tightening their lips so that they will not advertantly say something -- 'cause that would only get more outbursts from the girls! 😆 more than that -- i totally loved his hands going instinctively to his head. but he didn't finish the move so i couldn't figure whether he wanted to tear his hair out, or stuff his fingers into his ears! 🤣 or was that just hc being hc concerned about the headband not being on just-so?? *hc! focus! you're being prem who doesn't know he's prem!*
LOL, you're so funny! and ya I loved his reaction to Heers crying it was kinda cute.

but what was that rotating his head (like he was suddenly exercising his neck muscles)?? reminded me of arnold schwarzenegger in the terminator movies which suddenly creeped me out. was prem the terminator come back from the future??! eeeks. same with the head move he made after he got his keys from the table. *shiver*

almost-persuaded-me-it-was-prem thing: but i must say. i did like the way he couldn't just walk away. seriously. 😍 i mean, i have no clue whatsoever
(a) what look-at-me-i'm-so-cool prem is doing with a really large white hankie. my boy gang wouldn't be caught dead with those! 🤣 and
(b) what did argh-girls-and-their-tears prem thought a girl with a long dupatta would need that hankie for (er, aren't dupattas just a convenient way to wear a hankie? i don't wear 'em and always wondered... 😆)
but still. after all those cheap "girls!" comments and the hands wanting to shut out heer's cries. the look on his face in that microscopic moment when he went still... that was ... prem. that was.

example 3 of bad scripting: that entire walk to heer, the entire leaning across to take the key, to put the hankie -- no good. it all looked rather forced.

little thing: 'kay, totally didn't get why heer suddenly jerked away to realise it wasn't ratpal. 'cause he would never have been that courteous? was that it? or was it that finally a prem presence filtered into her denial/misery? or did prem walk out whistling "their" tune again? that confused me tonnes. why was heer suddenly that concerned about anything/anyone other than her misery? *big time frown*

big thing: so, with all the scripting messes above, it was the last segment that made the episode. and of the three people who were on the podium, for the first time i realised that ag was a very good actress. and that in comparison the actor playing ratpal is not as good. he really comes across thinking that if he has a smirk, it's enough to get ratpal's attitude across. but this is the moment that ratty's waiting for. his major and final straw to back the break of the juneja family. then that delivery? it was ... watery. as smelly as the sewage that ratty probably lives in. there should've been more fire. more manic intensity. and this guy has never delivered the mad passion that the lines he speaks needs. he is a bad ravan if he just relies on a facial distortion and not his voice (like hc and ag and even dq/sr do brilliantly).
Ratpal's dialogue delivery is really awkward, you know when they where in Rajasthan... I can't even count how many times he said Heer's name in one conversation while talking to her...

and so the defining moment that made that scene was heer's last desperate shake at ratpal as if asking for just that one more night of reprieve. the silent resignation that you could almost not see on her face when she realises that he is not going to have any mercy. and from the moment that the camera shows how heer hand is beginning to move away from lalit juneja's grasp to the time that she reaches ratpal's side - the camerawork here was excellent - the closeups, the zoom outs, the different angles - it all worked! and that last shot of heer without any tears but her eyes downcast. and that unaccepting disbelief on lalit juneja's face... brilliant. 👏

so - here's the question: is lalit juneja going to collapse with a heart-attack and die? 'cause you know, in the ramayan, king dasharath does die. and there is some ceremony that gets done without ram (and lakshman) around. and will that be enough to satisfy ratpal's need for revenge? 'cause for all practical purposes, prem's dead, right?

little thing: that precap was ... too deliberately prem-centric to trust. so i'm not gonna trust all the prem-character allusions in it. *yeah, i can be as good at precap-denial as heer is at prem-denial...😆* the only thing interesting in it that the crew did collect all the material recorded and that it's likely that prem'll edited the material. maybe he'll even bring the tapes around to the juneja house to deliver it to the family?

highlight of the episode: preet's face when he sits back down at the table. he rocked. 🤗
I love Preet too ❤️ lol

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Hey Estee why is the date 10 Dec? I almost skipped it thinking it was an old bt lt. Glad I read it. I totally agree with you about the creatives trying to convince us about Gaurav not being Prem. They are trying to confuse us by showing contradicting things like Gaurav walks in exactly the same moment that Heer asks Prem what to do. Also the song that plays when he is trying to get key is the Prem-Heer theme song but kinda of a faster version. Also agree with you for a cool dude who totally hates girls and their crying it was awfully sweet of him to turn around to give her the hanky. Guess your gang boys are the real cool dudes and Gaurav is a 26-yr old thinking he is a cool dude hence such mixed reactions.
The production quality was never so great but the scrip used to be much better. I think the screenplay and script writers are not getting it. You see their good work rarely like the Gaya3 scene, preet-coin scene, heer-lalit-rr scene. Guess the team wants to drag this whole revenge saga but also want to uncover Gaurav and are totally confused as to how to go about logically without losing the viewers.
Was it only me or did you not feel that AG was not herself in the Gaurav-Heer scene? She was way too hysterical and whiny. Agree with you I was laughing throughout the Gaurav's "what have I got myself into situation look". HC pulled it off very well. Considering that he was the perfect Prem and to come back after a break to play a totally opposite character all the while knowing that he has to go back to playing the perfect Prem will be quite a task for HC. But as I always maintained he is a fantastic actor. I think the creatives are deliberately making him out to be this cocky, too much of himself, money minded guy because it'll be interesting to see his transformation into perfect Prem. I am quite sure that this guy is Prem unless he has Prem's soul. Do you think Gaya3 mom will get it wrong about Prem? How they are going to show this whole Prem turned into Gaurav and back to Prem is something we'll have to wait and watch.
I also didn't understand why Heer took off after seeing the hanky. Agreed that she understood it wasn't RR but whoever else it was what difference did it make to her. Though AG's dil was somewhere else in the Gaurav-Heer-hanky scene she was all there in the podium scene. It was very well done. No dramatics (it'll all happen today) no lines, nothing. She just walks on the other side something like now she has joined the enemy ranks.
Don't think Lalit will die (even though I agree with your ref to Ramayan) but then do you think Prem will ever forgive Heer? Also Gaya3 is not in the right state of mind to handle one more blow. Maybe he'll have an attack or accident and Gaurav will end up giving him blood or something (very filmy I know but I wont' rule out such a possiblity). What I want to know is will the Juneja family throw Heer out of the house for what she has done. Because I don't think she'll tell them the real reason for her agreeing to marrying RR.
Preet, ah! Preet. He is the sweetest. SR has this ability to bring out a smile on my face everytime he appears on screen. You were right he's now more Prem than Gaurav is. Totally loved the scene where he comes to call heer and love the way he still refers to her as bhabi. I want to see his reactions to this whole Heer-RR thing. I have a feeling that it'll be Preet who'll get Gaurav home, how and when will be something we'll have to wait and watch.
The Veera-friend scene was not necessary but her presence is needed bcoz she is the second person after Lalit who is going to take off on Heer.
Hmm! Should you restart the wfp clock? I think we should wait this month and see where it goes. I have two explaination to this whole Prem-Gaurav thing - one this guy is Prem but has been adopted or made to believe he is someone else or like you say he himself is searching his true identity and being a photographer helps him because it gives him a chance to travel. Second- this guy is not Prem but a totally different person who'll transform himself into Prem because he'll fall for Heer. The hitch in this is what about Gaurav's family, why would he leave them and come to Juneja's? Also what happens to the Prem-Heer are one concept and how did he go through the same emotions as Prem when Heer was dancing in Rajasthan.
As of now I am betting my money on Gaurav being Prem only thing is he doesn't know it. This cool dude is all a facade.
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*sighs* hellow to you too E! firstly, whts with the date? *erm* and second....ill get back at cha with this wtf....*double sigh* yes preet....ah i've always noticed tht guy....seriously...though i wonder why im crazy abt him rather than prem like some other ppl *ahem ahem* maybe its his cuteness...ah i've got it! *snaps fingers* its because he's preet....haii, mera preet...hmm...anyway gnna go and listen to some depressing songs like i have been the whole time i've been on the comp...tch...so till then...
Adios...
apki lil desert rock....[rinks] heh
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Originally posted by: riyapk


I agree, you gotta love Preet, he's just a sweetheart, the show would be incomplete without Preet, He'd definitley going to win the Fav Bhai award at Spa this year lol.

y'know? is funny how we give awards for best actor/technician/scriptwriter, but not one for best character? there should be?

They should put some energy into plotting a shot where Veera get's hit by a bus or something lol I hate her too... well doesn't everybody.. one thing that bugs me is why would a guy like Nihaal fall for an immature, pre-mature, squeeky voiced girl like Veera lool.Now he's what you call a jodi ka ghulam.

*sigh* y'know what they say? love is blind? we need to change it to "love is blind, deaf and dumb" with special emphasis on the "dumb"! 😆

LOL you know who these two remind me of! Mr. Burns and Smithers... lol how he;s always leaning over ratpal and all *shudders* whoa indian tv is changing lol!

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and here i thought it was just me...

LOL, aw I know eh, the whole universe just shifts itself into Prem and Heer mode... the moon comes out the two doves just wait for their cue to fly down to a branch near their window sill.

😍 yeah, doesn't it just seem that way? everyone's a prem-heer fan..... 😍

Ok, so in real life if you would naturally turn around to see who's in the room wouldn't you..

well, not if you've been crying that hard, and your face is a mess, and you're a girl. 😆 if i think hard, i think i'd have tried to take a quick glance behind, but no, wouldn't turn 'round... too embarassing to be caught being that weepy. and if, like heer, you assume that it's your friendly neighbourhood ravan-rat, then i could sympathise with the "i don't even want to see your face!" bit. is just... it'd have been nice if they'd given us a clue why she was that sure it was ratpal - well, other than her assuming that he followed her into the room after seeing her at the foot of the stairs...

LOL, you're so funny! and ya I loved his reaction to Heers crying it was kinda cute.
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yeah it was okay. a little too exaggerated and a bit forced. but okay. what i found more difficult to swallow was the way hc fidgeted with the bag slung around his shoulders. felt seriously like beating his hands back and mimicking my grandmom in saying "don't fidget!" 😆

Ratpal's dialogue delivery is really awkward, you know when they where in Rajasthan... I can't even count how many times he said Heer's name in one conversation while talking to her...

not a good actor at all... but then, i kinda feel sorry for him - he knows that he's ravan in ramayan... how easy can that be? especially with prem as ram and heer as sita? still... he doesn't have to come across as that much of a watery ravan though..

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Originally posted by: estee

hmmm... y'know the first thought i had when i finished watching? whether smits (sshekar) wasn't right about not stopping the wfp (waiting for prem) count until prem's back. 'cause they seem to be trying really hard to persuade us that this ain't prem? no?
but persuading us is a really tough job..... right estee..... don't you remember how hard they tried to persuade us that prem was no more... the aatma scene... the jugni prediction and all that..... but what was the use..... they failed.... and i'm sure they're gonna fail this time too......
* big thing: 'kay, is it just me, or has the quality of production gone down since the "rajasthan" footage? i mean, i know there were some brilliant (seriously!) outdoorshots. but even the indoor shots then -- like the engagement ring ceremony -- was beautiful. for some reason it's not as spectacular anymore. is it just me? 😕
it has gone down drastically.....
* little thing: loved preet again today. loved how he walked in looking troubled. and then physically reworked a smile back on his face when he looked up. and of course, how can one not love him for having come out to look for his bhabhi when she went missing? seriously. preet has always been a sweetheart on this show. isn't it amazing how prem-heer has all of us obsessed? there must be something seriously, unnaturally, gripping 'bout prem-heer that we give preet such little time.
so we should blame epe or ephe for this.... but i guess preet has always been a swwetheart.... and he will always be.....
* little thing: *sigh* i see that they haven't yet figured out how to work a blackhole into the story to take veera to a planet in a galaxy far-far-away. 'kay, kimz, i guess i'm now hoping that they will get her pet dog to eat her up some episodes later as a more possible get-veera-out story-line. *double sigh*
you talk of a tough job... and here it is.....i guess now we'll have to tolerate her for a lot more time on screen as the secret of rr-heer engagement is out..... and i bet she'lll be the most vocal of the lot....
* little thing: 'kay, did anyone else think that today heer was behaving like a goldfish in a bowl? seriously woman, get a grip on that lower jaw! it. is. not. natural. no matter what your new creative head or director tell you! disobey them, damnit!! ever seen prem stand around like a goldfish in a bowl??? hmmmmmmm???!!!!
i was kinda dissappointed with heer today.....what is she trying to do.....😕😕😕
* little thing: er... did anyone else catch that kodiyon-pal was with ratpal?? what happened to satyapal??? and did anyone catch that kodiyonpal was ... um ... staring at ratpal most of the time? um... so... are we to assume that ratpal does .. uh ... bend the other way (which is how vibhs put it, i think. 😆 man, i miss vibha!) and that kodiyon-pal has replaced satyapal in ratpal's affections?? 🤣
you know estee what i feel..... i think that this kodiyon pal is the biological father of ratpal.....and his sociological father is someone else and maybe the secret actually has the truth of a biological sibling of ratpal.....
* little thing: inn't it funny how there was absolutely no one in the control room during the ceremony? 🤣 and that all the monitors were in standby mode??? 🤣🤣🤣 boy when prem says that he works only two-hours, he really means it, don't he??? 🤣
this one was really well said👏.....and i really want to know what he really means that he works only for two hours😉😉... the real work estee😍.... guess i believe two hours are enough for that work....😆😆😆
* big thing: heer's definitely in prem-denial mode. she still thinks he's in the moon. but ain't it cute? she asks prem-in-the-moon what she is to do? and .. everything around her aligns to give her the sign. the dancer's song is "aaja sawariya, aah, aah, aah" at that moment. and of course, prem walks back in.
actually i was a bit confused at the song selection initially.... but as prem made his entry....i could make out the connection.....
* big thing: y'know? i also think the scriptwriting is getting weaker. example 1 was that entire royal-painter episode. example 2 was that prem walks-in moment. i mean, think 'bout it: heer obviously heard him come in. i think he was whistling. she thought it was ratty. why? i thought perhaps prem was whistling "their tune" and she (in prem-denial mode) must've convinced herself that it was ravan with his lighter. and that is when she took of in such a hysterical manner.
😕😕😕
see! doesn't that make better sense? 'cause the way it was shot was toooo fuzzy - i mean, why the heck did heer get that hysterical, that suddenly?! mine's better! *said firmly, while hardening the not-so-lovely estee jaw* donchya think?

er... d'you think that i should apply for the post of script-corrector-at-the-very-last-second there? 😆
go ahead estee.... do it....
* little thing: 'kay, dunno 'bout all of you, but i found prem's reaction to heer's hysteria really really funny! and no, i didn't think it was perfect. there were shades of my gang-boys in that reaction. the way his eyes went wide when she started off on him and kept going. that was sooo typical! but he missed what my guys usually do, which is: much looking upto the heavens for help. and tightening their lips so that they will not advertantly say something -- 'cause that would only get more outbursts from the girls! 😆 more than that -- i totally loved his hands going instinctively to his head. but he didn't finish the move so i couldn't figure whether he wanted to tear his hair out, or stuff his fingers into his ears! 🤣 or was that just hc being hc concerned about the headband not being on just-so?? *hc! focus! you're being prem who doesn't know he's prem!*
but the kind of faces he made here were just wow.....i really loved him in this scene.....
but what was that rotating his head (like he was suddenly exercising his neck muscles)?? reminded me of arnold schwarzenegger in the terminator movies which suddenly creeped me out. is this prem the terminator come back from the future??! and eeeks. same with the head move he made after he got his keys from the table. *shiver* unless, of course, this prem the terminator is out to terminate ratpal!! oooh, now that would be uber-cool! 😆

* almost-persuaded-me-it-was-prem thing: but i must say. i did like the way prem couldn't just walk away. seriously. 😍 i mean, i have no clue
(a) what hey-look-at-me!-i'm-so-cool prem is doing with a really large white hankie. my boy gang wouldn't be caught dead with those! 🤣 and
(b) what did argh!-hate-girls-and-their-tears! prem thought a girl with a long dupatta would need that hankie for (er, aren't dupattas just a convenient way to wear a big hankie? i don't wear 'em and always wondered... 😆)
this was the real prem thing.... even though he's acting arrogant... his heart couldn't stay away from heer's pain... and whatever little bit it was ... i got my prem back in this scene.....i guess i will have to join all these bits and pieces... until we get him back fully....
but still. after all those cheap "girls!" comments and the hands wanting to shut out heer's cries. the look on his face in that microscopic moment when he went still after turning away from heer with his keys... that was ... prem. that was! but example 3 of bad scripting: that entire walk to heer, the entire leaning across to take the key, to put the hankie -- no good. it all looked rather forced. and did he have to go so close to heer to get his keys??! hmmmm... or is that yet another sign that that's prem who can't really stay away from his heer? 😆
yes... yes.... even you seem to be getting all the positive vibes....😆
* little thing: 'kay, totally didn't get why heer suddenly jerked away to realise it wasn't ratpal. 'cause he would never have been that courteous? was that it? or was it that finally a prem presence filtered into her denial/misery? or did prem walk out whistling "their" tune again? that confused me tonnes. why was heer suddenly that concerned about anything/anyone other than her misery? *big time frown*
another blooper.....she doesn't react to his touch... but feels him around... it's really confusing.... i guess now you'll agree to the fact that prem's intensity of love is a bit more than heer.....he could feel her pain miles away in canada.....and she can't even recognise his touch.... i'm better than heer..... i can recognise his shadow also even if he's not in the frame.....😆😆😆
* big thing: so, with all the scripting messes above, it was the last segment that made the episode. and of the three people who were on the podium, for the first time i realised that ag was a very good actress. and that in comparison the actor playing ratpal is not at all good. it's as if he think that a smirk on his face enough to get a need-revenge! attitude across.
i think the last part was done very well... and ag was brilliant....
but this is the moment that ratty's waiting for. his major and final straw to back the break of the juneja family. he should have been gloating, triumphant. but the delivery of his lines? it was ... watery. as smelly as the sewage that ratty probably lives in. there should've been more fire. more manic intensity. unfortunately this guy has never delivered the mad passion that ravan's lines need. he is a bad actor - just does not use his voice (like hc and ag and even dq/sr do brilliantly) to convince us of ravan's passion. pity.

and so the defining moment that made that scene was heer's last desperate shake at ratpal as if asking for just that one more night of reprieve. the silent resignation that you could almost not see on her face when she realises that he is not going to have any mercy. and from the moment that the camera shows how heer hand is beginning to move away from lalit juneja's grasp to the time that she reaches ratpal's side - the camerawork here was excellent - the closeups, the zoom outs, the different angles - it all worked! and that last shot of heer without any tears but her eyes downcast. and that unaccepting disbelief on lalit juneja's face... brilliant. 👏

so - here's a question: is lalit juneja going to collapse with a heart-attack and die? 'cause you know, in the ramayan, king dasharath does die. and there is some ceremony that gets done without ram (and lakshman) around. and will that be enough to satisfy ratpal's need for revenge? 'cause for all practical purposes, prem's dead, right?

* little thing: that precap was ... too deliberately prem-centric to trust. so i'm not gonna trust all the prem-character allusions in it. *yeah, i can be as good at precap-denial as heer is at prem-denial...😆* the only thing interesting in it that the crew did collect all the material recorded and that it's likely that prem'll edited the material. maybe he'll even bring the tapes around to the juneja house to deliver it to the family?

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* little thing: should i restart the wfp count? 😆

no..no.. just wait for a few more bits and pieces to come...😆😆
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highlight of the episode: preet's face when he sits back down at the table. he rocked. 🤗

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Originally posted by: hope08

Hey Estee why is the date 10 Dec? I almost skipped it thinking it was an old bt lt.

ooops!! didn't even notice that!! was laughing too much at the episode, i think. and then i put up some lists of top prem-heer and prem and heer moments in another post. which didn't help my attention span on the bt,lt... thanks a lot for pointing it out -- fixed it!

Also agree with you for a cool dude who totally hates girls and their crying it was awfully sweet of him to turn around to give her the hanky. Guess your gang boys are the real cool dudes and Gaurav is a 26-yr old thinking he is a cool dude hence such mixed reactions.

y'know? that is such a neat way to think 'bout it. i always though prem was more like 29 (an age away from my guys 😆) and to have him back, without a memory of who he is, probably having adopted the first "role" that he was exposed to when he "came to" - must be difficult for prem. 'cause prem in rajasthan was prem. btw, that prem was a totally cool dude! the way he ducked in and out of shadows whether deliberately or inadvertantly helping heer on her escape-mehendi path - that was cool.

Guess the team wants to drag this whole revenge saga but also want to uncover Gaurav and are totally confused as to how to go about logically without losing the viewers.

that's a bit sad, no? 'cause i've always though that they know the story. i think they always knew of prem's exit, prem's re-entry, whatever it is that prem actually is at the moment. pity about the scriptwriters though. although *thinking hard* i seem to remember that the scriptwriters themselves haven't changed, no? it's more the "creative team" (which i still don't know what it means) that have changed since the strike?

Was it only me or did you not feel that AG was not herself in the Gaurav-Heer scene? She was way too hysterical and whiny.

i think she'd have been okay if they'd given me a reason for why she thought that prem was ratpal. (i think - strongly! - that he's prem, btw, and refuse to support that creative guy who wants his name up in the lights for a while! gaurav sharma, indeed! huh! is prem, mr. sharma. go find a better way to have girls look at "gaurav sharma" with adoration... 😆) her voice is a little squeaky in any case, and tends to get out of control in these spots. i think she just has to remember to get emphatic rather than emotional when she does these scenes - for the rest i thought she was okay.. the hands on her eyes, and not feeling the guy right behind her? that was a leeeeeettttllllleee difficult to swallow. at that point is where i'd have expected heer to have flashed a startled quick look at the guy reaching out for the keys...


I am quite sure that this guy is Prem unless he has Prem's soul. Do you think Gaya3 mom will get it wrong about Prem? How they are going to show this whole Prem turned into Gaurav and back to Prem is something we'll have to wait and watch.

I think he's prem too. and about the w&w? *sigh* so what else is new? i just wish they'd manage the whole thing at a more sensible and steady pace than what we've been getting so far...

Don't think Lalit will die (even though I agree with your ref to Ramayan) but then do you think Prem will ever forgive Heer?

hmm... good point. and isn't that also like asking will heer ever forgive heer? but if it does, i'd think that it'd make for great drama to see how they reconcile themselves to the fact? 'cause prem-heer-are-one and nothing can break that... 'cause that is what is new and great 'bout this show. the one thing that makes it worth the watch. i think it'd be very interesting...

What I want to know is will the Juneja family throw Heer out of the house for what she has done. Because I don't think she'll tell them the real reason for her agreeing to marrying RR.

uh.. actually, why not? i mean, what can they do? other than persuade her that they will be happy where they are? oh, i know you're right of course. but so far, in all the "keeping the real reason to themselves" situations, prem-heer have done well? 'kay, heer has done well? she told prem 'bout ratpal-veera. prem eventually told heer 'bout sanjana. but *sigh* i guess this is no longer prem-heer... it's heer-juneja's. i guess you're right -- she won't. *sigh*


Preet, ah! Preet. He is the sweetest. SR has this ability to bring out a smile on my face everytime he appears on screen. You were right he's now more Prem than Gaurav is.

😆 he is now more prem than prem is...

The Veera-friend scene was not necessary but her presence is needed bcoz she is the second person after Lalit who is going to take off on Heer.

🤢 which makes me wish for that blackhole even more! why do the creatives think that you need more than one person to take off on heer? 'cause the whole rest of the them are going to stand back and watch in any case, no?

Hmm! Should you restart the wfp clock? I think we should wait this month and see where it goes.

hmm.. i like your first explanation. which means i start it again and stop it when prem "comes to".
i don't like your second explanation. 'cause that means wfp goes to infinity. and that's not possible in prem-heer-are-one story. ergo, it can't be true. and that's what i'll stubbornly believe till the end of my dying days... 😆


As of now I am betting my money on Gaurav being Prem only thing is he doesn't know it. This cool dude is all a facade.

i think so too... i'm waiting to see prem actually go back home. and our finding out that everything he has told his "assistant" is just a tall tale. that he lives in a single rented room. that it's sparsely furnished. his cupboards have very few clothes. that his fridge has milk and bread and butter and ... eggs! 😆 and he takes lots and lots of pictures to help him build a sense of having a history even though it is a short one...

oh and another thing i'm waiting for? i'm waiting for prem to say "heer" again... 😍

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Posted: 16 years ago
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rinki!! my little benadryl-owning desert rock! what are you doing with my most favourite animal in the whole world right now in your little id-picture-thingie??!! you love gray wolves too??! i heard them! saw them! over winter hols... they totally totally rock!

you are having a good time? 😆

Originally posted by: ~Rinki~

*sighs* hellow to you too E! firstly, whts with the date? *erm*

er... blame it on too much prem-in-a-headband exposure... dropped my brain and took a while to find it again... 😆

yes preet....ah i've always noticed tht guy....seriously...though i wonder why im crazy abt him rather than prem like some other ppl *ahem ahem* maybe its his cuteness...ah i've got it! *snaps fingers* its because he's preet....haii, mera preet...hmm...

😆 y'know? the way he's going, i think you're gonna have serious competition for that "mera preet" tag... what? you already have competition? well, expect more... 😆 he's going beyond cool to awesome!

anyway gnna go and listen to some depressing songs like i have been the whole time i've been on the comp...tch...so till then...

uh... why??? or are you one of those who don't let depressing songs get to you? (i become total mush. and grumpy. and sulk. and bother mom for big time pampering....

apki lil desert rock....[rinks] heh

lil desert rock with benadryl right? rinks...?? rinks!!

😆 which reminds me -- i need to work on that i-hate-prem post... 😆

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Hey Esteee.... you rock babes and yout btlt make me wanna do my analysis again... i so dont want to do it seeing the pathetic scriiptwriting, pathetic production ... pathetic editing ....BT is lost no doubt
Loved Preet Yesterday ..... he is indeed a knight in shining armour. ... As for the new look... did want to see a cool dude image ...almost like the college avtar and lo behold got it...
Ummm i think Gaurav is on a scret mission and does not want to come in front of the family.. I think he knows the truth about RR and his secret mission and it out to expose him. I still think nihaal is hand in glove with prem and knows prem is alive and is helping put prem...
RR does not know how to act and I seriously dont know what he is doing in the show.... They should end this track asap!! but alas, whats the point to complaint....they arent gonna listen to us...
Biggest Blopper : Veera saying that they are living in mumbai,..Wasnt the familty staying in Amabala /Ludhiana... When did the entire clan shift to Mumbai - some one care to throw light on this please
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Originally posted by: riks1


but persuading us is a really tough job..... right estee..... don't you remember how hard they tried to persuade us that prem was no more... the aatma scene... the jugni prediction and all that..... but what was the use..... they failed.... and i'm sure they're gonna fail this time too......

yeah, i'm sure it's prem... no one else could've come and held heer like that in the desert when she called. no question. the only question is - is he really clueless or does he have some grand, mad plan?

it has gone down drastically.....
*sigh* pity. 'cause the show really looked beautiful in the rajasthan shots, no?

so we should blame epe or ephe for this.... but i guess preet has always been a swwetheart.... and he will always be.....

ooh! *taking notes furiously* good point about the deleterious effects of epe/ephe! damnit! i really have to shake that post out and clean it up! there's too much new research and findings that we need to make public for the world to use! 😆

you talk of a tough job... and here it is.....i guess now we'll have to tolerate her for a lot more time on screen as the secret of rr-heer engagement is out..... and i bet she'lll be the most vocal of the lot....

gosh that's what hope said as well! i really can't stand it when she appears on the screen. if she starts talking, i'll want to destroy my tv! argh!! why can't the world sell some veera-shades? y'know, glasses that block veera from your eye-sight? *sigh*

you know estee what i feel..... i think that this kodiyon pal is the biological father of ratpal.....and his sociological father is someone else and maybe the secret actually has the truth of a biological sibling of ratpal.....

hmmmm!!! but... why would that make ratpal go after prem/the juneja's for revenge? i mean, i can understand ratpal wanting to kill someone - anyone! - after knowing kodiyonpal is his father. but why the juneja's damnit?


this one was really well said👏.....and i really want to know what he really means that he works only for two hours😉😉... the real work estee😍.... guess i believe two hours are enough for that work....

😆
'kay - i confess. what "real work" are you talking 'bout? i want to know... 😆

but the kind of faces he made here were just wow.....i really loved him in this scene.....

😆 yeah, he was funny...

this was the real prem thing.... even though he's acting arrogant... his heart couldn't stay away from heer's pain... and whatever little bit it was ... i got my prem back in this scene.....i guess i will have to join all these bits and pieces... until we get him back fully....

yup... totally felt prem there... 😍

another blooper.....she doesn't react to his touch... but feels him around... it's really confusing.... i guess now you'll agree to the fact that prem's intensity of love is a bit more than heer.....he could feel her pain miles away in canada.....and she can't even recognise his touch.... i'm better than heer..... i can recognise his shadow also even if he's not in the frame.....

😆
oh, i can make a checklist of things where i think heer's love is actually a lot stronger than prem's -- i think they're even. here's my new thinking on it: prem's reactions to heer are sometimes more "instinctive" but heer's heart has a lot more capacity for love than prem's. her whole self loves prem a lot more.

hmm... this reminds me: i must go and change my "top 10 list of heer moments"... in khushi's post...

no..no.. just wait for a few more bits and pieces to come...😆😆

😆 yes boss. i think the consensus just now is the w&w on ressurecting the wfp... 😆

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