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Posted: 17 years ago
#31
If you think by killing the innocents muslims can go to jannat you are mistaken, Have you not seen the death these terrorists get by either suisidal bombs or shot like animals, do you think that they will go to Heaven. The person Whose death is like that What heaven will they get. Ha Ha !! By the way Allah is not the only Who is the mighty, Our Gods are the real All Mighties who have been there for thousands of years and not since 644 AD. Jesus Christ even has been long before your islam was created. Do you want me to tell all about Mohammad. I have studied all about quran and mohammad with 16 wives and the youngest being eight yaers old minor girl.
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Posted: 17 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: aaax



i never say bad about your relegion and this is problem with u non muslims u always put blame on other relegion without knowing its teachings..islam never teach us to kill innocent..agar islam terrorism sikhata na toh aj sary muslims terrorist hoty or tum aik b non muslims duniya main na dekhti..

I completely agree to that, but why are people killing in the name of Islam? Don't they get it? And, there is a growing number of people who are willing to kill others in the name of same religion. There must be something wrong somewhere.

May be, the way you are listening to Dr.Zakir and interpreting Hinduism, they are doing the same? Why should I call him wrong when I cannot tell you the same.

Why don't you tell these fanatics what actually your religion means? They need more of your wisdom than us.
waisy aplogon k rep dekh kar mjhy ab or Allah par belive hogya hai kynki Allah ny bilkul sach farmaya k yeh log kabi quran ko nh manain gy...or zayada log sachai sy nafrat karty hain and this is true wat quran said...wel Allahsays agr tumhari bat a manain toh bolo peace on u..phir inko khud pata chal jaye ga k kon sacha hai kon jhoota..

Now again, you quoting your text to say, we are fools ... are we holding a gun to kill you? What are the Quran reading people doing, killing children and asking children to kill others? Did you see the video, where a nine year old was asked to hallal a living man, and he did the same in the name of the same religion you talk about.
so my sister peace on u..😃 We all are already very much in peace dear sister... because we know the truth of life, that is do your karma... work and we are doing the same.

But, thank you for that.

enjoy this life..
May ALLAH guide us All..



May we follow the right path and understand others and respect them for what they are.
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Posted: 17 years ago
#33

Trying to make the distinction as to who's religion is the "better" and "truer" religion is wrong.

No religion should be judged as being superior to another. Everyone has a moral right to thier beliefs and also a moral right to respect the beliefs of others. That is not necessarily a teaching of a religious text, but a general teaching of Humanity.
I mean no offence to anyone, but by saying that one's beliefs is superior to another is akin to Hilter's teachings, and I think that it is universally acknowledged that Hitler was a force of absuloute evil.
Notice here that I didn't use a muslim "terriost" to demonstrate a point because the point lies in that there are facets of ALL religions that are oftentimes misinterpreted to suit the needs of of deranged individuals who have no REAL concept of the religion that they profess to follow. The same is to be said for Muslim terriosts. I agree with you aaax through your many quotations that Islam does not condone violence, however you need to concede that the terriosits don't say that. They profess to kill in the name of Allah and launch holy wars on the "unrightous".
Just a note on the point of idol worship. I am a Hindu and I have often been asked\accused of Idol worship, however my response to these have always been, I worship GOD not idols. The murtis are my representation of what I belive God to be.
It is stated in the Bhagvad Gita and I am paraphrasing here that God's form is such that human eyes and minds cannot comprehend it's brilliance, therefore God manifests himself into forms that we are able to understand to bring us closer to him. Hence the various interpretations and representations(I don't like the use of the word idol) of him that we have.
I hope that though you may not agree with our explanation of what our religion means to us, you can alteast understand now a little bit better.
As someone said earlier, we need to stop this bashing of each other, and one way do do that is to foster acceptance and understanding of each others beliefs. Ignorance is evil that is universal and one that we must all fight, and we must all do our part in educating those who don't know, but also by teaching someone we must also be open to knowledge to be gained from a different perspective.
Follow your own beliefs, educate others, learn from others and most imprortantly all show respect to everyone, and I think that ALL religions teach that.
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Posted: 17 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: shellytt

Trying to make the distinction as to who's religion is the "better" and "truer" religion is wrong.

No religion should be judged as being superior to another. Everyone has a moral right to thier beliefs and also a moral right to respect the beliefs of others. That is not necessarily a teaching of a religious text, but a general teaching of Humanity.
I mean no offence to anyone, but by saying that one's beliefs is superior to another is akin to Hilter's teachings, and I think that it is universally acknowledged that Hitler was a force of absuloute evil.
Notice here that I didn't use a muslim "terriost" to demonstrate a point because the point lies in that there are facets of ALL religions that are oftentimes misinterpreted to suit the needs of of deranged individuals who have no REAL concept of the religion that they profess to follow. The same is to be said for Muslim terriosts. I agree with you aaax through your many quotations that Islam does not condone violence, however you need to concede that the terriosits don't say that. They profess to kill in the name of Allah and launch holy wars on the "unrightous".
Just a note on the point of idol worship. I am a Hindu and I have often been asked\accused of Idol worship, however my response to these have always been, I worship GOD not idols. The murtis are my representation of what I belive God to be.
It is stated in the Bhagvad Gita and I am paraphrasing here that God's form is such that human eyes and minds cannot comprehend it's brilliance, therefore God manifests himself into forms that we are able to understand to bring us closer to him. Hence the various interpretations and representations(I don't like the use of the word idol) of him that we have.
I hope that though you may not agree with our explanation of what our religion means to us, you can alteast understand now a little bit better.
As someone said earlier, we need to stop this bashing of each other, and one way do do that is to foster acceptance and understanding of each others beliefs. Ignorance is evil that is universal and one that we must all fight, and we must all do our part in educating those who don't know, but also by teaching someone we must also be open to knowledge to be gained from a different perspective.
Follow your own beliefs, educate others, learn from others and most imprortantly all show respect to everyone, and I think that ALL religions teach that.



Beautifully said, I would not have said it better... 😃
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Posted: 17 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: shellytt

Trying to make the distinction as to who's religion is the "better" and "truer" religion is wrong.

No religion should be judged as being superior to another. Everyone has a moral right to thier beliefs and also a moral right to respect the beliefs of others. That is not necessarily a teaching of a religious text, but a general teaching of Humanity.
I mean no offence to anyone, but by saying that one's beliefs is superior to another is akin to Hilter's teachings, and I think that it is universally acknowledged that Hitler was a force of absuloute evil.
Notice here that I didn't use a muslim "terriost" to demonstrate a point because the point lies in that there are facets of ALL religions that are oftentimes misinterpreted to suit the needs of of deranged individuals who have no REAL concept of the religion that they profess to follow. The same is to be said for Muslim terriosts. I agree with you aaax through your many quotations that Islam does not condone violence, however you need to concede that the terriosits don't say that. They profess to kill in the name of Allah and launch holy wars on the "unrightous".

Yaar, what seems more authentic? The word of God? Or the word of uncivilized people i.e. terrorists? Ofcourse the word of these uncivilized people is wrong. S what if they kill people in the name of Allah? By doing that they are getting major sins. Why should we accuse a religion, if some uncivilized people say that the religion is about violence? Why would we want to believe people who are totally uncivilized and are not in their senses, since they are fanatic?They are extremists and they don't know anything about their religion. That's why they kill in the name of Allah, but this will lead to them having more sins. What they say is not true, but what the holy book of a religion says, is true. So, please don't blame the whole muslim population or the religion of Islam. Please stop this fight!!
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Posted: 17 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: an12345678



Beautifully said, I would not have said it better... 😃




very well said....👏
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Posted: 17 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: gambi

Yaar, what seems more authentic? The word of God? Or the word of uncivilized people i.e. terrorists? Ofcourse the word of these uncivilized people is wrong. S what if they kill people in the name of Allah? By doing that they are getting major sins. Why should we accuse a religion, if some uncivilized people say that the religion is about violence? Why would we want to believe people who are totally uncivilized and are not in their senses, since they are fanatic?They are extremists and they don't know anything about their religion. That's why they kill in the name of Allah, but this will lead to them having more sins. What they say is not true, but what the holy book of a religion says, is true. So, please don't blame the whole muslim population or the religion of Islam. Please stop this fight!!

I was in no way blaming the muslim religion, for which I have the ultimate respect, as I do all religions. I agree totall with your point, as I thought I had stated with the earlier part of that statement which says that these persons have no real concept as to what religion means. I agree that they are using the religion as an excuse to kill innocent and I don't say that we believe them when they say they kill in God's name. What I was trying to say, is that although we know it is not true, does not stop them from professing it all the same! The point needs to be conceded that wrong as it is to do so, these terrorists do in fact do this, and since they do that, the misunderstanding, misconceptions concerning the entire religion of Islam develops unfair as it is.
And though it hurts a true believer of Islam to hear these criticisms, it must be understood where the critisms arise from, and the only way to fight the ignorance is to respectfully educate someone of what they believe is the true meaning of thier religion - which in this case is Islam. By taking aggressive tones to demonstrate a worthy excercise is counter productive as can be seen from discussions in this topic, where instead of education, we now have a hindu-muslim confrontation as to whose religion is the superior.
In my opinion non is superior to the other. We all worship God in whatever form we believe and that should be the link that binds us and not let the technicalities in between separate us.
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Posted: 17 years ago
#38
Ok, Firstly I'm sorry as a mod i havent come to this topic earlier. I have been really busy. I finally managed to sit myself down and go through all the 5 pages of this topic.

Firstly, religion is a matter of personal choice. Every human believes his religion is supreme. Ask a Christian, and they say Jesus is supreme. Ask an athetist, he'll say God doesnt exists. By what one says,how are u going to conclude whose God is supreme?

This discussion is utterly pointless. If you want to discuss religion CONSTRUCTIVELY go ahead, i'll join you guys. But if your going to be fighting over who's religion is supreme, i'm not only going to close topics but raise warning levels as well.

For any question, PM me.

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