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Posted: 16 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: sita11

TULSIDAS & VALMIKI RAMAYAN both are the authentic versions of RAMAYAN !!!

i guess chandraketu u shud def. visit KAHANI HUMARE MAHABHARAT KI FORUM ,where most of the things being shown are in-authentic !!!! that forum really needs u !!!!



You are more than welcome to believe what you like - there's no question of forcing ones belief on you, and I certainly don't wish to. However, they can't both be authentic/accurate, if they carry contradictory (not just different) accounts of what happened, as is shown here

http://www.geocities.com/bhagvatjee/vraamaayan/notesa/1difference.htm


Sample:

Who threw Shakti to Lakshman? [Lankaa Kaand]

(1) Maanas - says Meghnaad threw the Shakti on Lakshman and it made Him unconscious. Tulasee says - "Meghnaad was very happy to see Lakshman dead and he wanted to lift Him up but Lakshman was not only Lakshman, He was the incarnation of Shesh Jee who keeps the Prithvi on his head, how it was possible to lift Him even by thousands of Raakshas."

Hanumaan had to go to Lankaa to bring Raakshas' Vaidya Sushen along with his house and he guided Hanumaan to bring some herbs from Himaalaya Parvat. On the way he met Bharat also. Later when Lakshman got all right Hanumaan took Sushen back as he brought him from there.

(2) Raamaayan - says that when Raavan came into battlefield to fight with Raam and Raam came forward to fight with Raavan , Lakshman asked permission to fight with him which Raam readily gave. Then Raavan threw Shakti at Lakshman. Of course it made Him unconscious, but Hanumaan never went to Lankaa to bring Sushen, rather Sugreev's father-in-law Sushen treated Him - of course through the herbs brought from Ksheer Saagar Parvat. And he doesn't meet even Bharat also.

As for KHMK, I don't watch it in the first place, but even if I did, the fact that they are wildly inaccurate has nothing to do with whether Sagar's account of events is accurate or not. I'm viewing this Ramayan, and the one before it, and the fact that they have major, not minor deviations, not only from Valmiki but also from Tulsidas in places, is definitely something worth commenting on.

Also note three things:

1. Such commentary does not cast doubt on the divinity of Shri Rama, as you seem to be implying here. Even if I disagree with some of his decisions, I by no means question his divinity;

2. A criticism of Sagar is not the same as a criticism of the Ramayan;

3. Just because I disagree with some of the things he has shown or criticize him doesn't mean that I think it's a bad serial, that it doesn't deserve to be around or that I wish to undermine it (how a forum like this could undermine this project, I have yet to figure out).

However, given that a lot of people believe what they see on TV as the divine truth, I do think it's important to point out major inaccuracies - not items that are merely added to the storyline, such as Surpanakhas later appearances, but things like Bharat being wounded in battle: I'd like to know which version of the Ramayan even has that the rulers who couldn't win Sita went to war with Rama, let alone Bharat being wounded in the battle.

P.S. to Chatterbox - thanks for making my other point for me.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chandraketu



You are more than welcome to believe what you like - there's no question of forcing ones belief on you, and I certainly don't wish to. However, they can't both be authentic/accurate, if they carry contradictory (not just different) accounts of what happened, as is shown here

http://www.geocities.com/bhagvatjee/vraamaayan/notesa/1difference.htm


Sample:

Who threw Shakti to Lakshman? [Lankaa Kaand]

(1) Maanas - says Meghnaad threw the Shakti on Lakshman and it made Him unconscious. Tulasee says - "Meghnaad was very happy to see Lakshman dead and he wanted to lift Him up but Lakshman was not only Lakshman, He was the incarnation of Shesh Jee who keeps the Prithvi on his head, how it was possible to lift Him even by thousands of Raakshas."

Hanumaan had to go to Lankaa to bring Raakshas' Vaidya Sushen along with his house and he guided Hanumaan to bring some herbs from Himaalaya Parvat. On the way he met Bharat also. Later when Lakshman got all right Hanumaan took Sushen back as he brought him from there.

(2) Raamaayan - says that when Raavan came into battlefield to fight with Raam and Raam came forward to fight with Raavan , Lakshman asked permission to fight with him which Raam readily gave. Then Raavan threw Shakti at Lakshman. Of course it made Him unconscious, but Hanumaan never went to Lankaa to bring Sushen, rather Sugreev's father-in-law Sushen treated Him - of course through the herbs brought from Ksheer Saagar Parvat. And he doesn't meet even Bharat also.

As for KHMK, I don't watch it in the first place, but even if I did, the fact that they are wildly inaccurate has nothing to do with whether Sagar's account of events is accurate or not. I'm viewing this Ramayan, and the one before it, and the fact that they have major, not minor deviations, not only from Valmiki but also from Tulsidas in places, is definitely something worth commenting on.

Also note three things:

1. Such commentary does not cast doubt on the divinity of Shri Rama, as you seem to be implying here. Even if I disagree with some of his decisions, I by no means question his divinity;

2. A criticism of Sagar is not the same as a criticism of the Ramayan;

3. Just because I disagree with some of the things he has shown or criticize him doesn't mean that I think it's a bad serial, that it doesn't deserve to be around or that I wish to undermine it (how a forum like this could undermine this project, I have yet to figure out).

However, given that a lot of people believe what they see on TV as the divine truth, I do think it's important to point out major inaccuracies - not items that are merely added to the storyline, such as Surpanakhas later appearances, but things like Bharat being wounded in battle: I'd like to know which version of the Ramayan even has that the rulers who couldn't win Sita went to war with Rama, let alone Bharat being wounded in the battle.

P.S. to Chatterbox - thanks for making my other point for me.

LOOK chandraketu i hv been following ur posts ,
i hv seen tht u deliberately try to bash sagars & TULSIDAS RAMCHARITMANAS all time ,
why u all time saying RAMCHARITMANAS has not said this n tht bla...bla....bla...
u once said tht prahstra was ravans uncle ,what is this man???? why ur un-necessary creating confusions on this RAMAYAN forum ,
i hv received pm's of members saying tht they r actually fed up with ur posts ,there is a deliberate effort from your side always to bash sagars & showing disrespect to RAMCHARITMANAS !!!!
both valmiki & tulsidasji MET lord RAM,LAKSHMAN & HANUMANJI !!! so both are the authentic versions of RAMAYAN ,& don't always trust the websites becaz on NDTV 24x7Channel ,it was said tht many un-authentic websites on RAMAYAN are available ,don't trust them all ,it was shown on the discussion on RAMAYAN at 10 pm news !!!! so don't trust websites,go n purchase VALMIKI RAMAYAN (It is available in market with hindi & english translations) & then say anything abt RAMAYAN & i am sure u will b having RAMCHARITMANAS with u ,as every hindu has RAMCHARITMANAS in their house !!!!
Edited by sita11 - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: chatterbox

chill sita we r just sharing what we know

and at times it looks like most of us have forgotten what is there in ramayan or any other epic for that matter
its good to know from someone else also the stories
i love mythologies and always keen to know more and more
i have no idea what version sagars r using but i m enjoying every bit
i had my apprehensions when the show started wondering whether it wud live upto the 20yrs prior version
but i m glad all my fears r doubts r laid to rest and i m enjoying it more and more and now i hv so many new friends here in this section
and as for kahani hamare mahabharat ki lets not talk abt it coz for me it doesnt make sense at all i had watched some episodes but cudnt make head or tail out of it i hv been fed on br chopras mahabharat so thought something gud wud be there
so chill ok dear

chatter i am alright yaar 😃,
but i was pissed off tht a certain member is always trying to put down RAMCHARITMANAS & SAGARS ,
yup !!! we all are here for discussions but a certain memebr is always trying to prove tht he is the only learned one on this forum & rest we all r kind of fools !!!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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folks !!!! the timings of THE RAM KATHA (RAMCHARITMANAS) BY SPIRITUAL GURU Murari bapu IS 10 am to 1pm ON AASTHA channel .
many of us including me won't b able to listen to the great RAM KATHA by MURARI BAPU ,becaz of the timings but most of the times when ever u switch to aashtha channel or the snaskar channel u get to hear any great spiritual gurus saying RAM KATHA !!!!
SO anyone who doubt the RAMCHARITMANAS shud listen to the RAM KATHA by MURARI BAPU ,if they can't watch the katha becaz of the timings thn i wud suggest such memebrs to watch aashtha channel & the sanskar channel ,WHENEVER THEY FIND TIME ,where most of the times RAM KATHA by great spiritual gurus being shown ,so tht wud clear all their doubts abt RAMCHARITMANAS !!!!!

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