non- working Mothers = damage 'careers'?

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Maternity leave 'damages' careers

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7504637.stm

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Originally posted by: anon

The extension of maternity leave to up to a year may be sabotaging women's careers, the head of the new equality watchdog has warned. Nicola Brewer, chief executive of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, said some employers were thinking twice about offering women jobs or promotion. She said there may be "unintended consequences" of the focus on mothers rather than shared parental leave. But small businesses said shared leave would increase "administrative hassle". Ms Brewer said current laws, introduced from April 2007, had unintentionally made "women a less attractive prospect to employers".
My employer was openly hostile from the moment I announced my pregnancy, after luring me to the role with promises of being family friendly
Sarah, Kent

She said her concerns had been reinforced when businessman Sir Alan Sugar said many employers discarded CVs of women of child-bearing age. Women can take statutory maternity leave for up to 52 weeks, with statutory maternity pay for up to 39 weeks. If entitled to it, a woman can receive 90% of their average weekly earnings for the first six weeks, then up to 117.18 for the remaining 33 weeks. The last 13 weeks, if taken, are unpaid. Conditions must be met, such as the woman having had 26 weeks of continuous employment with the same company before going on leave. Fathers can take either one or two weeks' paternity leave, receiving either 117.18 or 90% of their average weekly earnings if this is lower. However, employers can offer their own schemes offering higher levels of pay and longer leave if they want to. Flexibility call Ms Brewer told BBC Radio 4's Today programme there was a need for "much more genuinely flexible approaches to work", not just for parents, but also for carers, disabled people, and for older people wanting a gradual approach to retirement.
The idea that extending family-friendly rights would somehow hurt women's job prospects is a myth
Brendan Barber
TUC
"Within that issue of more flexible working is the specific issue of the unintended consequences of an exclusive focus on maternity rather than parental leave," she said. "There's an issue about how the whole package of parental leave is currently structured - and there's been a very welcome increase in maternity leave, but we think the focus should be on letting parents decide who takes parental leave after the first six months." However, Stephen Alambritis from the Federation of Small Businesses called for a pause in changes to maternity leave. "As a kind of reality check, if you had a small employer employing four people and one of those is on maternity leave then that's a quarter of the workforce out of action. "Transferring the leave from mum to dad will bring another employer into what is a very complex system. Sometimes it's not the leave itself that we are concerned about or the pay, it's the administrative hassle of the leave." He said that although it was illegal to discriminate against women of child-bearing age, he had heard anecdotally that a few small businesses would not employ such women. Parental benefits "But to use this as an argument to level up leave for men is too fast. We would like a pause on all this legislation, especially at what is a very difficult time for employers," he told Today. Ms Brewer agreed that "one size does not fit all". Union body the TUC said increasing a father's share of parental leave would bring benefits. General secretary Brendan Barber said: "The idea that extending family-friendly rights would somehow hurt women's job prospects is a myth commonly peddled by employers who don't want to employ women of child-bearing age or give male staff time off to spend with their children.

"Proposals to increase flexible working rights to parents of older children and allow up to six months of maternity leave to be transferred to fathers will help combat these entrenched views about family-friendly rights and will benefit all parents."

This is just Uk law etc, diff all over world,😳
Wat u think. of article...?...wen is best time 4 mothers to go back to work? Wait few yeas till kid starts some form of pre-school etc and work part time.
Is there balance needed between work/earning and looking after kids.
Or family alway first? Childs first few years are important.😳
Wat u think about the mothers that leave children from few months old...good/bad?
Will add personal thoughts after.😉
-Anon.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Interesting article...
Some countries treat pregnancies differently...
I think in Germany ladies get a year off after pregnancy, and the husband gets 6wks...Not sure...
In America most companies offer 3mo off after pregnancies...But nothing much for the husband....
I think in places where life is first (i.e. Europe), ppl are more generous to offer time to raise/have a kid...In the US its money, money money most of the time, and some ppl would rather not hire women for this reason.....
I think ladies should be treated fairly during and after pregnancy...Because we all luv our moms...
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Asli - believe me, EU is becoming no different to US in that way......law or no law, it's just a matter of time....
The article simply states that here in the UK, we have laws that at least respect a woman's right to choose up to 52 weeks maternity leave - but there will be some (like me after having 1st child) that had to go back after 6 months coz we needed the money and yes, I was worried about security/ tenure of job.
When is the best time?? Purely personal I'm afraid....
I believe it is generally accepted that the early years of childhood are the most important, but as a woman we have to feel supported in whatever choices we make - otherwise we are forced to usually compromise on the time we take off if we cant make ends meet in the meantime
Nurture is very important...and is needed for years to come, so this is where work-life balance becomes important., coz we cant take years off!!
As for employers who burn CVs of women of child bearing age....that's their prerogative.....
Which woman would want to work for an employer like that anyway!!
I understand the concerns of small businesses, but hello!! women have babies!!! In the UK:
To not employ wonen would be a statutory discrimination and liable to civil action
To ask a woman if they intend having babies is also discrimination and actionable
To discriminate against a woman who is pregnant is aslo actionable.
Small business - WAKE UP!!!!!!
Stop whining and make your business women friendly - you will be rewarded with loyalty.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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I agree....Loyal employees help the business more than anything!
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Posted: 17 years ago
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i think the topic should be working mothers = damaged upbringing....
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: qwertyesque

i think the topic should be working mothers = damaged upbringing....



phir woh hee murgey ki ek taang😡.......😆
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Gauri_3



phir woh hee murgey ki ek taang😡.......😆

ok sory murgiji... i mean gauriji.. what do u want me to say if i cant say the truth 😆 in fact a moms job is tagged at $138000...per annum as per some association in the US.. isnt that a well-paying career?
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Originally posted by: qwertyesque

ok sory murgiji... i mean gauriji.. what do u want me to say if i cant say the truth 😆 in fact a moms job is tagged at $138000...per annum as per some association in the US.. isnt that a well-paying career?



Qwerty ji, first of all it's absurd to put a price on parenting. That aside, yes, $138k per annum is okay amount, I wouldn't call it "well paying" though, but do they see the moolah? Do they actually save $138k by choosing to stay at home? Just imagine if she is working and raising the kids then how much moolah she is raking - whatever is her salary plus your so called $138k on top😛 Lagey haath yeh bhi bata deejiye ki if both parents stay at home then would their job be tagged at $138000*2? Wonder why would they be looking for lunch/dinner at lunger in neighborhood gurudwara with this kind of family income😉😆

As far as making a career out of parenting - I have no problems with that at all. It's a personal choice and I respect that. But simply "staying at home" does not = good parenting.


p.s. shuker hai aap ney yeh hee samjha ki hum ney aap ko murga bulaya . I was worried ki kaheen yeh na soch baitthey ki hum ney langda bulala inhey 😛
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Originally posted by: Gauri_3



Qwerty ji, first of all it's absurd to put a price on parenting. why is that ?- is it one of those thankless professions where you just economically jeopardize yourself for something "deemed" significant.. That aside, yes, $138k per annum is okay amount, I wouldn't call it "well paying" though, but do they see the moolah? Do they actually save $138k by choosing to stay at home? they can bring up kids better...Just imagine if she is working and raising the kids then how much moolah she is raking - whatever is her salary plus your so called $138k on top😛 Lagey haath yeh bhi bata deejiye ki if both parents stay at home then would their job be tagged at $138000*2? no by division of labor it would be 138000/2 unless you are working for lehmann brothers...😆Wonder why would they be looking for lunch/dinner at lunger in neighborhood gurudwara with this kind of family income😉😆

As far as making a career out of parenting - I have no problems with that at all. It's a personal choice and I respect that. But simply "staying at home" does not = good parenting. this things not about certainty.. its about higher probablity.. unless you wish to stay at home and neglect children to watch judge mathis over and over again.. if you have more time at hand chances are you would put that love for kids for their betterment and this is proven.....Its all about time.. and american hypocrites jumped in with their "quality time" crap to justify working parents.. i mean this country has everything.. well covered....


p.s. shuker hai aap ney yeh hee samjha ki hum ney aap ko murga bulaya . I was worried ki kaheen yeh na soch baitthey ki hum ney langda bulala inhey 😛

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