Swara Bhaskar's insensitive remarks on Jauhar scene from Padmavat- Page 15

https://x.com/SagasofBharat/status/2095157510244319464

Originally posted by: Ranbhoomi

She is trapped into her own web of lies which she finds difficult to get out from

I dont think you will get any answers for your pointed questions .she will beat around the bush when it comes to islamic issues.... will immidiately accuse you of misinterpreting her words and then as usual again go back to write essays on hindu patriarchy and then ofcorse the previous denial of not saying anything agaisnt hindus..

That's the standard pattern she follows without a fail

Let it be...you are wasting your time with her...she doesnt want any discussion...she is o ly here to trashtalk about everything hindu....so wont indulge you on islam or muslims

that's the problem. World accepts and understands that most societies continue to be patriarchal and misogynistic in many ways. Some less than others but problems remain. However which community / countries are the worst stand out as they carry practices from the medieval ages even today. They have seen no reform and cling to old values because it's "word of god". India is patriarchal in many ways and misogynistic too but they have continued to progress instead of being stuck in Middle Ages due to so called reformer.

Best to end the discussion here or else there will be 20 more essays in reply along the lines of what you wrote. With sprinkles about freedom of speech and what not

Originally posted by: Ranbhoomi

Yes she called muhammad a reformer without using her good research skills about the man...

I am sure the way she calls halala an elevating spiritual philosophy she has her reasoning to justify an old man whom she calls a reformer marrying a 6 yr old child.

So great a reformer that his followers are often blowing themselves up around the world to bring about those reforms...

Give someone a fish and they eat that meal. Teach them to fish and they eat for life.

In this case, tell everyone that someone was a reformer in medieval ages and hence what was true then is true today so continue is why their community is where it is. Do you read news where the migrate seeking asylum and demand sharia ?

But same people show no empathy over Jauhar and what led to women to do that act? By instinct no human wants to give up their life. But when same instinct accepts practices from medieval ages as word of God, they will write enough essays that show that they are feeling bad for slavers but not the sexually enslaved. That part has become very clear to me when I read the essays and hence the support for Swara by some.

Originally posted by: Ranbhoomi

India maybe the worst country and hindus maybe the worst creatures on entire planet but we dont want to hear he opinions about us from someone who advocates halala as a spiritually elevating philosophy...she can shove it up where it suits her...she has turned this place into a portal for online jehad agaisnt Indians....and I think mote n more people should call her out for all her constant anti India anti hindu vitriol

I only have limited posts and i am not allowed permanently. .but I those who are regular members why should they suffer her bigotry agaisnt themselves daily...they have been silent for the longest time so this person continued spreading filth...about time she gets push back from actual indians....

She has her islamist lobby in her suppprt which elevated her to think she is the most correct person for abusing india nonstop..

Well I see none coming to her suppprt now knowing even they couldnt defend her filthy and obvious propaganda anymore

India is not the worst country. But if live in India like me - take one look at the street on a hot day (which is most of the year). You will see one community covered head to toe in 45 degree heat and that too in black (the worst color possible for heat). They account for roughly 300 million people and are part of India. So would their practices not drive down India rankings when compared to western countries ? But there are over 50 countries that have 98% of people or more following such practices and worse and hence rank lower.

The patriarchy problem is not "Indias problem" but one community's major problem whether they live in Canada/ US / Europe or India (the free world).

My own assessment is that I don't think this is a white European woman you are interacting with in your exchanges based on the essays.

I'm out of this discussion now 👍

Won't reply anymore in this topic for my own mental peace. 😇

Originally posted by: D3VilsDex

you still didn't answer except they claim to follow these practices claiming it's word of god and hence my question as you keep converting their gospel as socio political write up that they follow even now.

Also my previous post was about you asking me to go elsewhere when you keep writing essays.

I had written in another thread about the same subject that is also a subject in this one and suggested to you to read there too... was that a wrong move from my side? If yes, then please excuse.

Okay, then clearer words you may not have any difficulty to understand in the r i g h t sense: I condemn Islamic practices whenever they go against humanity and human rights which is the case with Islamist Terrorism / Jihadism, Honor Killings, Forced Conversions, Child Marriage, Female Genital Mutilation, Sectarian Violence, State-Sanctioned Executions...

Although - in my naive thinking about people understanding what humanity and human rights mean, I never made a detailed list... now, I do, because some people seem to need it.

However, my list of what I condemn of Islamic practises is not complete with me heavily criticising Unilateral divorce, Polygyny, Amputation, Stoning, Flogging, and Dhimmi status (= social and political restrictions on non-Muslim citizens).

If you wish more details, please tell me... I'm one of those species who inform themselves over things that deal with history... and definitely religions are part of human's history.

Now, everybody has an enumeration of Islam things (some very old ones, some newer ones)... but of course, I could elaborate on these practises although I vehemtly dislike them.

Originally posted by: NathuPaapi

Blaming death by fire at the hands of their own community or brutal enslavement by the enemy... for the women doing Jauhar 🤷

https://x.com/BattaKashmiri/status/2096258016043835894

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/168041052

But as usual it's i who's spinning narratives 🤷

No, you did not... it wasn't a good verbalisation... as I looked at it from the viewpoint of the medieval situation it may come across as if they got killed by the own men... Better would have been something like: They did not see themselves as dying because of their community, but for the honor of their community to deny the enemy a psychological and physical victory.

(it's not easy with the writing, sometimes... it can be a dance on egg-shells)

Originally posted by: D3VilsDex

I was just looking at the image that some other user posted about Clochette. Did she say her god was not a misogynist and would be considered a reformer ?

aren't Gods supposed to be all knowing that would act in the interest of humanity regardless of the era they were "born" in ? Is it reform to marry a 6 year old but at the same time women choosing to end their life versus a lifetime of sexual slavery is a problem. Whose problem - The slavers or the victims ? In this age one would expect sympathy instead of taking the position to support the slavers. That is my issue. How can one support the slavers and not feel the women that ended their life as that was their only alternative of escape.

No, I never said this...

It may be in vain as you already got 'bombarded" with bisased and wrong information about me and may not trust my words anymore... at least your own writing relative to me makes me think that...*sigh* (just one more who would jump on the bandwagon, this time driven by a MID and formerly already banned member and always jumped by some other anti-Clochette members)...

In a thread in Current Affairs I wrote how Mohammad was looked at from a contemporary view (so as if I would have lived in the 7th century as an Arabic woman, e.g.) ... at that time, Mohammad definitely was acting as a reformer because he - among others - changed some misogynistic practices at that time into more pro-women ones. Even non-Islamic critical Western history books call him a reformer... That doesn't mean that I would laud everything he did, not at all...

Not once I "supported" the slavers... from what in my writings does you take this opinion??? My take on the historically named "Akbar the Great" (like the greek conqueror historically was named "Alexander the Great") was in no way excusing the atrocious things he did but mentioning that he changed his behaviour later (I just told what is historically a slightly positive fact about a Conqueror). Ashoka did the same... he was first known for his wars and then he turned around and changed into a positive historical person.