Swara Bhaskar's insensitive remarks on Jauhar scene from Padmavat- Page 11

There is a clear distinction here between how hindu women feel vs how muslim women feel wrt jauhar...

Clearly hindus would rather jump into the fire than be sold as sex slaves and be passed around on the streets for the rest of their lives

Muslim women would do exactly opposite as per the opinions from clochette and wormika et al.

I guess at the end of the day you chose to be what you want to be and how you want to live your life. Nothing wrong at all.

But it is completely wrong to victim blame women who sacrificed their lives to save the country and civilization by not choosing to sell themselves for the kind of miserable life they were going to be thrown into. Had they not committed jauhar we wouldn't have india as we know it with 80% hindus..those who chose the other option has created entire pakistan and bangladesh ...so kudos to those rajput women for sacrificing their lives instead of turning entire hindustan into mogul harem.

Not the hindu male patriarchy which the islamists women would want us to believe but that 7nth century cult forced hindu women to self annihilate and we hindus will always have almost regards for their sacrifices!!

The folklore has it that khilji heard about rani padmavati beauty & wanted to win her ..khilji was barbaric ..I also read that he offered not to fight if they show him rani's face ..this pretty much explains the mass suicide....when Chittor fell , it was obvious what would happen to those helpless women ..

Comparing them to rape survivors ,.only someone with the mental level of swara Bhaskar can do ..would there be any survivors in khilji times ?

Again..who are we to judge their choices?

Theres this person who is dissecting 2000 yr old manu smriti..that women never had freedom to make choices ..rani padmini exercised her choice , wahan भी pareshan hain? 🤔

Originally posted by: Krinya

Bhaskar has got a taste of her medicine but the best comment that followed her creepy nonsense was this one ..

"If swara was in place of rani padmavati, khilji would've done jauhar"

My 2 cents , we are nobody to judge their decisions , bec we dont know what those brave warriors and their families faced . Under what conditions they took this step ..even in recent times , during the partition , thousands of women chose suicide over getting raped & converted. So question them also ? Khilji times was thousand times worse. Its a pity , not a word against the barbaric acts and the rulers . Comparing them to "rape survivors" is 🤮

Feel pity for the offsprings of those who were raped and converted..how does one even expect they criticise those whose culture and religion they have adopted now...the shame and inferiority complex they suffer from their own weakness has resulted into hatred for those who survived the mughal onslaught or those who fought and laid down their lives...so it futile to expect respect for our fallen ones from them.

Originally posted by: Ranbhoomi

There is a clear distinction here between how hindu women feel vs how muslim women feel wrt jauhar...

Clearly hindus would rather jump into the fire than be sold as sex slaves and be passed around on the streets for the rest of their lives

Muslim women would do exactly opposite as per the opinions from clochette and wormika et al.

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Only quote the relevant part = bold

Like in the other thread you seem to be unable to exactly understand what I've written... you twist the content of my posts so that it fits in your Hindu vs Muslim mindset.

I'm neither Muslim nor Hindu nor Christ nor whatever religious person, but I know history better than you...

Historically, Muslim women-and sometimes their own families-prevented capture through several documented means... During the medieval and Mughal eras in India, the cultural concept of jauhar crossed religious lines. When under siege by rival forces, some Muslim commanders ordered the execution or self-immolation of their own female relatives.... The biiiig difference between Padmavat and the following examples = in the movie, Jauhar (or killing themselves) is depicted as the decision of women and not of men (in Islam, self-killing is considered a sin and is forbidden):

- Facing imminent defeat against regional rebels, the Mughal governor Qasim Khan and his soldiers beheaded their own wives and female relatives to guarantee they would not be captured or degraded by the enemy (Siege of Dhaka, 1617)

- During a fierce battle against the forces of Sher Shah Suri, a prominent Muslim nobleman named Khan-i-Jahan ordered his wives to perform jauhar to keep them out of enemy hands.

- Mughal commander Mirza Nathan explicitly documented that he instructed his camp followers to execute all the Mughal women in his camp if he fell in battle, a directive that was later adjusted to a command for them to perform jauhar.

In more recent history, large-scale conflicts have driven Muslim women to mass suicide when facing invading forces or rival militias using sexual violence as a weapon of war (examples = Sudan conflict, Algerian Independence war.

While the tragic outcome was the same, the framework differed significantly between the Hindu Jauhar and the actions taken by Muslim women, former being a highly ritualized, institutionalized collective ceremony (Saka-Jauhar) celebrated as an act of nobility and spiritual purity while latter were desperate, situational acts of survival or honor preservation mostly done/ordered by men.

I'm a far cry away from judging one of those proceedings as I never was in a respective situation... the only thing I judged was the cinematic rendition according to my impression.

Video in the tweet explains the issue with Swara's statement perfectly👇

https://x.com/Schandillia/status/2095331837308699109

https://x.com/labstamil/status/2095374728437665859

This 👇

https://x.com/Shubhrastha/status/2095369466871963772

This is exactly what I have been saying. Some people are judging morals & conditions of kafir women of 14th century with the standards of 21st century.

Must Read the article in the quoted tweet.

It boils my blood even reading it. The unfortunate situation of some intellectual dimwits are that they are questioning the fate or choice of the victims of violence rather than the Barbarians who forced them to make that choice Ever read an essay from these 'intellectuals' about the patriarchy misogyny of those barbarians who r@ped traded humiliated and killed kafir women of captured lands, continuing even in this century? You never will.

https://x.com/Shubhrastha/status/2095502771453882585

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Dc1QKCJy1vR/?igsi=eTJ2bGdrMTAxNjI4

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Dc0zykYTIXe/?igsi=OW14YnZ6a3MzZWNi

Its a shame we could not protect them !