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What do they mean when they said it's a fairy tale ?

Is there given a reason why Raya's and Nadia's son is named Ticket?

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

What do they mean when they said it's a fairy tale ?

There are "fairy tales" which are very cruel and challenging the main protagonists on the emotional level...

Originally posted by: Clochette

Is there given a reason why Raya's and Nadia's son is named Ticket?

So ....

Nadia had kept telling the child that his father would name him. So there is an innocent expectation attached to that future...perhaps a tiny thread connecting the boy to a father he barely knew.

And then that terrible day came.

Raya met his son in front of the destroyed circus, but they never really talked. Raya didn't ask his name. He didn't get that moment of recognition. And then the child died.

His father never named him.

So the child remained nameless in reality.

Which makes the final confrontation almost unbearably sad.

After years of guilt, hallucination and psychological fragmentation, Raya finally stood before the grown-up version of the son he believed survived.

And for the first time, he asks:

"What is your name?"

And Ticket laughs.

That Laughter was with that strange, almost childlike absurdity that defined him.And Raya's son said,

"Ticket. I am that ticket whom people use and then abandon. I am available in different colours-red, blue, green. What is your favourite colour,Daddy?"

That is such a bizarre line on the surface.

But underneath it, it's devastating.

It's an ordinary question.Almost absurdly ordinary.

A father asking his son his name...His son asking him what his favourite colour is...

These are the moments Raya and his son never got.

Because Raya is finally naming the son he never got to name.

And the answer isn't a traditional name.

It's a metaphor for abandonment.

A ticket is something you use to get somewhere... and then discard.

And then Ticket started talking about being used and abandoned.

That isn't really a child's biography.That's Raya's interpretation of his own guilt.

And suddenly that description sounded like the child's entire existence through Raya's fractured mind.

Born into circumstances he didn't choose.Loved by his mother.Abandoned by his father.

Carrying the wound of being left behind.

And eventually becoming the very embodiment of Raya's guilt...

So his mind names him after what he believes he did to him.Raya believed he used his son as an emotional passage into a different life and then abandoned him when circumstances became unbearable.

And suddenly the most absurd name in the film becomes perhaps its saddest word.

Because all his life Raya had only run, never confronted his realities,his trauma,his grief or sins...Raya spent his entire life trying to move forward.

Ticket was the one person he could never leave behind...

This is how I interpreted it......Others may interpret it differently

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

What do they mean when they said it's a fairy tale ?

Because Raya is almost a fairytale prince turned inside out

He is larger than life. He has an almost mythical rise..from a traumatised child to a feared and powerful man. His world contains gangsters who feel larger than ordinary human beings, extravagant settings, circus imagery, almost surreal violence, mysterious identities and dreamlike visual transitions...He finds love as well...

But .. But underneath that fantastical surface is a very adult question:

What happens to a child who grows up believing that violence is the language of love?

That's not a children's fairytale.That's a grown-up one.

Raya isn't fighting a dragon.He becomes one.

And the real dragon he eventually has to confront is his own guilt,his own trauma and the man he has become..

So the film takes the grammar of a fairytale and fills it with adult things that fairytales usually hide: trauma, lust, violence, guilt, abandonment, possession, death and psychological fragmentation....Here there is consequences of every decision and action..

And there is no uncomplicated happily-ever-after...

So in my interpretation ,it is called "Fairytale for grown ups"

Originally posted by: asmitamohanty

Because Raya is almost a fairytale prince turned inside out

He is larger than life. He has an almost mythical rise..from a traumatised child to a feared and powerful man. His world contains gangsters who feel larger than ordinary human beings, extravagant settings, circus imagery, almost surreal violence, mysterious identities and dreamlike visual transitions...He finds love as well...

But .. But underneath that fantastical surface is a very adult question:

What happens to a child who grows up believing that violence is the language of love?

That's not a children's fairytale.That's a grown-up one.

Raya isn't fighting a dragon.He becomes one.

And the real dragon he eventually has to confront is his own guilt,his own trauma and the man he has become..

So the film takes the grammar of a fairytale and fills it with adult things that fairytales usually hide: trauma, lust, violence, guilt, abandonment, possession, death and psychological fragmentation....Here there is consequences of every decision and action..

And there is no uncomplicated happily-ever-after...

So in my interpretation ,it is called "Fairytale for grown ups"

Wow this sounds wild.

Out of 10 what rating would you give this film ?

Originally posted by: Clochette

the movie touched you deeply - on the emotional level... I like how you connect the events with the emotional baggage both the siblings carry...

Yeah I mean what to say.....

Some movies you know are flawed. You see where the execution falters, where the editing or certain choices don't quite work.I can completely see why some of them could be a deal-breaker for people. The execution isn't perfect, and that's valid criticism.

But sometimes, the core of a film touches something so deeply within you that all of that suddenly feels secondary,sometimes the heart of a film reaches somewhere in you that technique simply cannot.

That is Toxic for me.

It stopped feeling like I was merely watching a movie and started feeling like a conversation between me and the film- about guilt, trauma, love, loss and the things we carry when closure never comes.

It made me think about Raya, Ganga, Nadia, Ticket long after the screen went dark..And sometimes, when a film manages to stay with you like that, somehow... the flaws just don't matter that much anymore atleast to me...❤️

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

Wow this sounds wild.

Out of 10 what rating would you give this film ?

Honestly I can't....

How do I rate a film that I know is flawed, but somehow still managed to get under my skin and stay with me?

Technically, I can see the flaws. Emotionally, it hit me far too hard to reduce it to a number...

I hope you understand....

Originally posted by: mahiwayyy

And nadia comes to the conclusion that raya will never ever see her and took the final act of sacrifice. She should have atleast stayed for ticket. I felt Ganga is stronger in spirit here compared to nadia as she never would have abandoned ticket. When raya was supposed to return,nadia was asked to vacate Goa and literally took that to raya doesn't want to see her and took that decision i guess

Honestly I really don't think Nadia was weak here. She was depressed, emotionally exhausted and completely broken by everything she had endured. There is a huge difference between losing the will to fight and never having been strong.

The Nadia we met was fiercely strong. She spat on Raya when he insulted her, slapped him when he addressed her as bi*ch , challenged his authority and even told this terrifyingly powerful man that she wanted to be touched by him with love, not with power. And Raya also touched her only with love and surrender after that...That woman didn't disappear. She was simply worn down by years of abandonment, loneliness, guilt and grief.

She was carrying Raya's child...woman goes through a lot during pregnancy and childbirth and postpartum mentally physically, emotionally and hormonally...She was all alone through that phase..

And remember for the society she was unwed mother with father of her child nowhere in sight...She must have faced a lot...

She was raising Ticket, living with the guilt of Ganga's death and believing that Raya hated her, apparently reached the conclusion that Raya,the man she loves the most, father of her child.., would never come back for her or, worse, would never want to see her again.

And when Raya was finally returning to Goa, being asked to leave could easily have confirmed the conclusion she had already arrived at: "He is coming back, but he still doesn't want to see me."

And by then, she didn't have the emotional strength to question that belief anymore.

I also don't think it's fair to compare her with Ganga and say Ganga was stronger because she would never have left Ticket. Ganga's entire identity was built around protecting Raya; survival was almost instinctive for her. Nadia's battle was different. She wasn't choosing between life and death from a place of emotional stability. She was making a decision from a deeply damaged state of mind.

Perhaps the most heartbreaking part is that Nadia still thought about Ticket. She believed Raya could now give him what she couldn't...his father and his name..

She wasn't abandoning her son because she didn't love him.She had simply stopped believing that she herself mattered enough to stay.

And that's what made her ending so tragic.💔

The woman who once had the courage to stand up to Raya's entire world ultimately became too broken to stand up for herself...

Infact That is what makes Nadia's death such a devastating turning point for Raya.

Raya knew Nadia. He knew the woman she was before he destroyed her...fierce, outspoken, stubborn, proud.She was not someone who would simply surrender to life.

So when she finally did, I think Raya understood something far more horrifying than "Nadia is gone."

He understood that "I did this to her."..Here was the one person who needed him to simply be there, and his absence, his guilt and his refusal to face her had broken her so deeply that she stopped being the Nadia he knew.

Bcz Raya could fight enemies But how do you fight the knowledge that you became the reason someone you loved lost the will to live?

I don't watch violent films.I haven't watched Dhurandhar even on OTT. It takes me just a teaser or trailer to know the vision,sincerity and class of the film.

Thankyou for all the posts on Toxic.I have read every word.I am fascinated.

Characters are so important in a film. Even if people haven't like the film, they have embraced Raya,Ganga,Nadia and Ticket. That is an amazing achievement.