Mannat Har Khushi Paane Ki: Episode Discussion Thread - 41 - Page 59

Sorry to barge in...

Are you saying Mannat is morally compromised???? Why???

How to empathize with the characters?. Show them who they are, simple. Why the "background" of the character is important in story telling? It gives a peek into their "nature" which the audience will connect to. A good story teller/writer invests A lot of time in repeatedly showing these "connection" points.

Mannat: Only character I slightly connect to. She is shown as someone who is raised by a "good " woman. Though there are times where her "Genes" overpower her, she comes back to the values nurtured by her foster mom. This is well established in the beginning. ONLY good thing in this entire show according to me.

DK: Vish is his mother. Evil mother. But what could have saved him. Being an IPS, he must have had studied well, trained hard and have seen peers who instilled the sense of duty in him. Still can turn out to be a bad potato due to ill influences from his childhood? Or the trauma of losing his little brother and the fierce will to find him might have fueled his spirits. I have read that DK is shown like quite a man in the pre-leap episodes. I think writers made him a hero by fluke. Now they are paying the price. . Unable to show their ML greater than this guy.

Vik: The most butchered and least important character for the writers. THey invest 0 time on him. I still think, he is supposed to be "good" on paper but unfortunately writers spend 0 time on him. His nature and nurture both are bad. Then how did he become so sucessful. He must have done something right. But he comes across as rich son of a rich father. He is sorrounded with crooks, drawn to criminals. Not one best friend or a peer or a profession who could have guided him. Atleast they could have shown him how good a cook he is! but no. They seem to rely on BDB without showing if he is a BDB worth man! Thats the problem.

Why did this happen? Because they dont care. They write for TRP not for art itself.

Originally posted by: Moor278

Sorry to barge in...

Are you saying Mannat is morally compromised????

I am not sure. :D She looks confused to me. If she is morally upright, she should take a stand. And support DK, even if she gets hurt. Because that is the right thing to do. She should maintain distance from Vik, Keep Dua safe with her baba because she knowingly or unknowingly made a family with DK in front of world's view. She should leave to Indore. Dua is conceived before marriage, any legal agreement and Vik abandoned her, Dua is not bonded with vik, she is bonded with DK. So all these are enough reasons to make a morally right decision. Nothing should stop her from leaving Mumbai, not even Neetu's health. Her son is back to take care of her. What happens after going to Indore is DK's and Mannat's decision.

If she is ok to compromise on that, it is ok too. But show it convincingly. Not everyone can be morally 100% right.

Morality is not sexuality or concerned with conjugal/love relationships only. Anything that puts you to in a tough position to take a decision is a moral dilemma. A person who chooses the wellbeing of others is generally considered morally right. IMO. Thats why morality changes by time, space, and position. Justice is different. It is always the same and based on evidence. With Vik, justice will not support him too. That is another matter :D

Yeah the writers keep changing him thats the issue. Till now they played only with Vik, now they shifted their focus to DK. It is not easy to write moral dilemmas and convince people. Thats why they take easy route. If there is a complex question, they make one side sooo wrong that, audience will natural think about the other choice . Easy peasy.

Thats why there is no point analyzing this show. No one is behaving consistently. .

Originally posted by: Moor278

As far as I can recall... nobody is blaming Vikrant for the anger... Mannat herself acknowledged that right on the funeral ground even when Shrutis pyre was burning... aapka gussa jayaz hai...

She had realized her mistake even then... so had RoTu....

What they are upset about is how he reacted... and what all he did in his anger....

Because in the end everyone suffered because of his actions...

And now he himself agrees to that...

Vik fell for the manipulations of the vamp gang because he 'chose' to believe one side of the story ... only to find out 7 years later that it was with wrong intentions...

The lie wasnt to harm him... it was to protect him and to avoid the situation he and everybody else is currently. The intentions mattered... just like his intentions to protect Dua matter now!!!!

I dont like Neetu pre leap neither I like her now... maine tab bhi use selfish hi bola tha... aaj bhi bop rahi hun... not sure kab padha ki maine Neetu ka support kiya hai 😐

I don't agree with lies Moor as much as the writers want to present this as good for mankind, I didn't agree with lies when Vikrant said during fake engagement either.

If lies for benefit are so good Why is Mannat so upset, angry with Neetu when Neetu is taking decisions on her behalf because she believes that's the right thing to do and will benefit Vikrant and Dua long term?. Neetu has the same rights Mannat believed she had naa & the same logic should apply to Mannat naa? The writers are making it clear Mannat believes she is free to take decisions for others, and her decisions is her choice.

If the writers believe lies are needed for benefit of someone then they should stop using trust and lies in the same sentence, sadly they don't go together, and it's a put off.

And I do not even agree with the changed narrative where Mannat didn't reveal she told him and he rejected Dua, this narrative is spun by writers just to fuether WW characters 🙄.

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Hi Sai, how are you.

Yeah both are possible if either DK or Vik is that big hearted. If you see from DK's perspective, he has higher moral stand point. He did everything selflessly for last 7 years...which actually is possible only if he is mahaan. If he is mahaan, he should take responsibility of clarifying about her birth. Dua might understand marriage, but how will she possibly understand her parents' relationship till she reaches adulthood? Vik should step away for Dua to prove that he is redeemed and actually cares for his chiild. That he is not just a sperm donor. If there had been a marriage, he would have gotten slightly more handle on Dua as well as the situation.

I also watch this show in bits and pieces, but the craziest part is how Mannat also left DK hanging with her responsibilities for 7 years! Who on earth does that? I dont know the whole thought process here, but I would definitely not take someone's help for free like that, and say him good bye. She HAS to give him Dua, period. Otherwise, I would judge her lowly. Remember DK is not Pakhi.

hi I am good, how are you

I might disagree with you on this... yes mannath should have thought about dk marriage but also she didn't stop him to move on or marry... dk is not a kid , so I don't blame her till now for that.... but in future, if she wants to go back with dk- yes either she should move on with dk or ask him to marry someone else...

coming to dua.... why should dk only get dua?

Mannath also brought up dua equally and vikranth even don't know about dua... I agree dk did took care of her selflessly,that doesn't mean he will only get her, yaar if care about mannath dua and vikranth who he claims to love, he can try to set things right... and can be in same house as vikranth big brother, and dua big dad like shruthi did.... but he is acting all weird, he is trying to have family all for himself.... for example see mannath, even she is angry with vikranth but she tried to unite rotu and vikranth because she know vikranth is completely at fault + rotu vikranth longing for each other, she is not insecure that rotu will go away from her, she also selflessly took care of them.

Take shruthi , she took care and gave her whole life for mannath but when she thought are is victim and good person, she is ready to share mannath with her....

But here dk is asking dua only for himself even when he knows mannath is longing for vikranth, rotu are wanting for vikranth, he is not happy for them to get close,basically he want his 7 year life for himself ,he don't mind leaving his brother alone...

That's not fare

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcOjp9KtK-M

Chalo writers are now giving Vikrant the chance to uplift himself by throwing Mannat under the bus

TRP aunties will rip apart Mannat for separating daughter from her father knowingly now!

Originally posted by: Saichintalli

hi I am good, how are you

I might disagree with you on this... yes mannath should have thought about dk marriage but also she didn't stop him to move on or marry... dk is not a kid , so I don't blame her till now for that.... but in future, if she wants to go back with dk- yes either she should move on with dk or ask him to marry someone else...

coming to dua.... why should dk only get dua?

Mannath also brought up dua equally and vikranth even don't know about dua... I agree dk did took care of her selflessly,that doesn't mean he will only get her, yaar if care about mannath dua and vikranth who he claims to love, he can try to set things right... and can be in same house as vikranth big brother, and dua big dad like shruthi did.... but he is acting all weird, he is trying to have family all for himself.... for example see mannath, even she is angry with vikranth but she tried to unite rotu and vikranth because she know vikranth is completely at fault + rotu vikranth longing for each other, she is not insecure that rotu will go away from her, she also selflessly took care of them.

Take shruthi , she took care and gave her whole life for mannath but when she thought are is victim and good person, she is ready to share mannath with her....

But here dk is asking dua only for himself even when he knows mannath is longing for vikranth, rotu are wanting for vikranth, he is not happy for them to get close,basically he want his 7 year life for himself ,he don't mind leaving his brother alone...

That's not fare

Thats exactly what i am saying. Till now they showed DK mahaan, so show him like that. Why flip him like Pakhi :D

Irrespective of DK being good or grey, Mannat should do what is right. If she is longing for vik, then clarify it. She cannot be confused is what i am saying. If Dua's wellbeing is paramount, she should do what is right for Dua. If Vik is important to her, she should take steps accordingly. Take a stand and stick to it. Dont worry, the writers will make DK so bad that we will all crave for Vik as Dua's dad. . He will not earn it, but given by DK himself...by falling lower than him.

Originally posted by: sadiltl

@bold Oh dont take my words literally. What I meant is that Dua is DK's baby. And Mannat has to respect it.

Mona, I have no respect for the writers so my words might sound little deriding. Dont mind. What the writers are not able to capture here is the "emotions" between the adults. No one on earth can live under one roof with platonic relationships. Love, companionship, s*x is part of life especially when you are in 30-40s. You cant simple undo these feelings! unless you show the characters have extraordinarily control on their senses. Yes, love happens once and you can show it being sustained over years...for that...there should be a strong base. Lets assume ManVik indeed had a strong base, then they should come out clean when they met years later. If Dua is the conflict, they should try to work around her without taking people for granted iffff they are "good" people. What defines good is again in writers hand, who seem to be confused with definitions.

I am also not sure what they write. I have no much hopes there. DK till now has not been shown playing with Mannat's emotions right. Atleast thats what I understood. He seems to be a nice guy. Either they have to keep him like that and weave the plot. If they are making him insecure which are valid emotions, because he invested his energy and emotions. You cant say Mannat didnt ask for it. The fact is she is DK's wife in soceity's eyes. If she leaves him, he will be affected too. Who will marry him? Therefore, It is either a contract or commitment. There are no two ways. I mean Mannat can be grey and ignore all these moral questions, because in reality most poeple do that. Writers should atleast give that clarity. They cant show Mannat, a moralistic woman and then show her do things opposite. Same thing with DK. If he is selfless, weave the story around that. Now that he is grey, which is understandable, continue it. Dont keep flipping. With Mannat, give clarity on how much "morality" they are going to add to her personality and write accordingly. It is about convincing audience and making them empathize with their choices. If they keep changing people, then their choices keep changing. Why should we even bother about discussing anything if they keep changing at will. no point.

Read this Sai if you have time. :D

Originally posted by: Moor278

Very interesting that we are still on this lies and hiding the truth angle

When in the BTS released today... Vik himself agrees.. with rocket speed BTW... to keep the truth away from Dua so that it doesnt mess up her life

I actually loved that part... not because he agreed... but because thats a big step in his growth...

This is coming from a person who was bombarded with a harshest truth about his identity ... went on a downward spiral... lost his loved ones and suffered for so many years.... only to realize that they were right all along.... sometimes it's better to hide certain things to avoid creating a larger trauma!!!!!

P.S. will take this statement back if this part doesnt make it to the episode!!!!

Vikku situation:

He is a grownup adult- yes they hide for him... at the end truth came out which led to huge drama....he did some unimaginable things... but my problem is not them hiding truth... my problem is post leap... no one there is cutting slack for vikranth right for behaving like that, everyone expected a sorry, yes melt hogaya but after apology then why are they not realizing they also need to apologize especially rotu and dk. Reason jo bhi ho, their lies also hurt him. But all blame directed towards only one person...I don't like it..

Vish is evil, no one know what she will do, so at some point truth will come out...

Dua case- she is very small...its definitely not right time ,especially when adult relationships are so messed up...

Vikranth is not vish...