Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi-EDT #16 DT note p25 - Page 60

Originally posted by: poiu123

how is Tanya the mistress this season when Parth is way older than Samaira?

Or is Parth is supposed to be a product of a live in relationship?

Either way most logical is Nandini was not in the picture as wife when Parth happened.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

not even watching the episode

Would find it difficult to accept it

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Why is she so obsessed with Akash...

I think it’s probably because he’s the strongest male character she’s ever written. Not a positive male character but the strongest.

The show reached crazy heights of popularity back then thanks to his portrayal which was genuinely amazing even if he made us wanna puke and later shower.

TV has not had any strong male characters in ages. Technically if you even look at Mihir, yes, he’s iconic and created history and all.. but Ekta’s heroes have been good boys. There’s nothing memorable about them on an individual level if you take away the romance and the pairing with the heroine. His whole identity and personality is based off of her character, regardless of the character or the show or the actor.

Ansh was genuinely terrifying but he’s also ironically one of the few and first characters who comes to mind when we think of iconic characters of TV played by men. Yes, his character’s defining characteristic was his obsession with Nandini, his iconic moment is his death at his mother’s hands; but he was also shown as someone who could be ruthless, cunning, manipulative, evil on his own. Like he had Vishal killed even though Shobha was always nice to him and they never had any problems as siblings, to save himself and Abhishek. He broke the rules of what it means to be a male character on Indian TV especially when men were no more than sperm donors who were both glorified props and extras in TV shows.

I think that’s why she’s obsessed. She didn’t exactly create a good guy but she ended up creating a very strong masculine character who is the epitome of toxicity but that’s exactly what she wanted to show him as.

It’s sorta bizarre because we shouldn’t idolise men like these, but TV hardly has any relevant male characters that she’s hung up on the one she created who’s irreplaceable. You can get an Anupam for a Tulsi, Piyush for Sujal, Bajaj for Prerna and people will accept them. Essentially, Mihir, Sujal and Anurag are disposable even though they’re absolutely nice and good men. Ansh isn’t replaceable and his disposal can only happen once but it leaves an impression regardless of whether or not you show that he had kid/s post his death.

Originally posted by: The_Best

We can’t have one rule for Karan and then different rules for others. We have been following S1 story for every character until makers say otherwise. They have only removed Bhoomi just as they have removed many other characters and instead introduced new characters this season who didn’t exist previous season. But what we know is Tanya exists this season too and Karan has a child with her. Makers have also not said Ansh raped Nandini or that he was Nandini’s husband this season yet, but we believe he was Nandini’s husband and raped her because of S1. Makers have also not said Teesha was Gautam’s lover or she was his wife later, but we believe that all happened because of S1 and because this season they haven’t denied it yet. Same for countless other stories which makers haven’t changed yet. So we are going by same rule and following S1 story for Karan Tanya’s story too until they say something else

No one is having different rules for different people. In this season they never showed that Abhishek wasn't responsible for Vishal's death, but since Shobha is having a good life with Abhishek we all understand it's clear that he wasn't involved in that.

This season never showed that Ansh never had Shradha in his life, but since Eklavya doesn't exist we are assuming she doesn't exist either

This season doesn't mention Harsh existed, but we are taking that he did just because Ansh had to be switched at birth.

We are taking only those parts of S1 to be present here which are logically consistent.

We assume Teesha was Gautam's first wife only for our wishful thinking since nothing has been shown that would contradict this event of their marriage.

Karan and Tanya illegal marriage isn't consistent with what has happened as per this season. Bhoomi isn't just a character, she is the sole reason for Karan Tanya coming together after his marriage to Nandani. You remove her from the equation and S1 illegal marriage doesn't happen.

Originally posted by: The_Best

Not every married couple has a child right away. It’s not necessarily that married Karan Nandini had children right away. Parth can be born first through Karan Tanya while Karan was married to Nandini like in S1. Since they are following s1 story when it comes to Tanya Karan, then Nandini was in coma and he was with Tanya and had Parth. Later when Nandini woke up, Karan had more children with Nandini

why was Nandani in coma?

Originally posted by: The_Best

Yes, I know Gautam isn’t so crass like Karan Nandini who taunt and call Mihir a cheater despite it happening when he had a memory loss or Karan himself being a cheater since makers haven’t changed his story this season yet. We all are just assuming it may be different this season. But I mean Gautam can easily use that to taunt Karan, but he’s either dumb or just too decent to say anything. Instead, he’s always busy trying to find something else to use against Karan

I haven’t watched animal so don’t know. I think they shouldn’t have cast this Ansh actor for son’s role. He doesn’t look 26 years old from any angle. If they wanted to bring him back, they could’ve shown he was Ansh’s twin who survived someone or basically anything rather than introducing him as 26 years old son

I think they called him a cheater because he himself assumed he cheated. Also this was considered strike two and by someone who has adult grandchildren, is the patriarch of the family and who shouldn’t ideally be cheating on his wife of 4 decades.

He wasn’t called out for what happened with Mandira but Noina and it wasn’t even wrong. It’s weird that none of the other kids did. Who would tolerate their mother who is a woman in her 60s/70s being cheated on by their dad? Especially when she’s forgiven him once for the same thing?

Karan called him out because he had a right to do so, he even tells Mihir how she saved him from living a life of humiliation by accepting him as her own. He reminds Mihir that had it not been for her acceptance he would have had unsavoury tags associated with his identity forever. How could Mihir cheat on a woman who would accept his son from another woman the way Tulsi did. Karan specifically asked Mihir, how could you not think of me when you had a relationship with that woman? Am I not enough of a reminder and reason to you to comprehend what you will put your wife through if you did this? Did you need an encore despite recalling what Maa suffered owing to my existence?!

Karan and Mihir’s arcs cannot be compared. For one, Karan never hid his relationship with Tanya from anyone and his son with her isn’t hidden either. If they’re to be compared it’s now with Niyati and Mandira being almost alike and Rio ironically being Karan 2.0 in a manner of speaking, though he’s not even Karan’s own son.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

No one is having different rules for different people. In this season they never showed that Abhishek wasn't responsible for Vishal's death, but since Shobha is having a good life with Abhishek we all understand it's clear that he wasn't involved in that.

This season never showed that Ansh never had Shradha in his life, but since Eklavya doesn't exist we are assuming she doesn't exist either

This season doesn't mention Harsh existed, but we are taking that he did just because Ansh had to be switched at birth.

We are taking only those parts of S1 to be present here which are logically consistent.

We assume Teesha was Gautam's first wife only for our wishful thinking since nothing has been shown that would contradict this event of their marriage.

Karan and Tanya illegal marriage isn't consistent with what has happened as per this season. Bhoomi isn't just a character, she is the sole reason for Karan Tanya coming together after his marriage to Nandani. You remove her from the equation and S1 illegal marriage doesn't happen.

Tulsi said that she killed her son for disrespecting women.So Ansh must have raped Nandini.But since there is no Bhoomi... Parth is the eldest son and his mother is Tanya their story has definitely changed.Most probably he married Tanya first like others say.

Originally posted by: The_Best

We can’t have one rule for Karan and then different rules for others. We have been following S1 story for every character until makers say otherwise. They have only removed Bhoomi just as they have removed many other characters and instead introduced new characters this season who didn’t exist previous season. But what we know is Tanya exists this season too and Karan has a child with her. Makers have also not said Ansh raped Nandini or that he was Nandini’s husband this season yet, but we believe he was Nandini’s husband and raped her because of S1. Makers have also not said Teesha was Gautam’s lover or she was his wife later, but we believe that all happened because of S1 and because this season they haven’t denied it yet. Same for countless other stories which makers haven’t changed yet. So we are going by same rule and following S1 story for Karan Tanya’s story too until they say something else

Originally posted by: The_Best

His marriage with Tanya was illegal and Nandini was his wife. So regardless if he didn’t intend to cheat or felt like moving on by abandoning his sick wife who he claimed to love and sleep parayi aurat Tanya, it’s called cheating. That way then you can say replacement Mihir was also in guilt and gratitude for Mandira for saving his life and her faking mental illness, but he didn’t intend to cheat tulsi as he loved her and that was just one night moment. But you have two different rules for both. And since makers haven’t said Tanya was his first wife or his lover this season, so it’s still following S1 story which is Karan the cheater and Tanya the mistress story. But if you assume Karan may have married Tanya legally this season and he may not be a cheater this season, then it’s fine. That’s your assumption

I will still stand by my point that Karan never morally cheated on Nandini, and I think the context of his situation is being overlooked here.

Nandini was declared clinically dead and that was not a normal marital situation anymore. It was not like she was present, conscious, or part of an active relationship where Karan chose to step out. He was dealing with a state where medically there was no hope of recovery. Now in such a scenario, what exactly are we expecting from him?....to remove life support and “move on”? or to stay emotionally and physically bound to someone who for all practical purposes was gone?

These are really not easy....they are more of black and white decisions. Most people would not even be able to take a call like that in real life, let alone be judged for what comes after. So from a moral standpoint, I dont think it is actually fair to reduce his actions to a simple “cheating.”

Yes legally his marriage with Tanya can and will be termed as illegal, invalid or wrong - I am not denying that. But morality and legality are not always the same. Karan did not instantly move on or jump into a relationship with Tanya. It was gradual, conflicted, and layered with guilt. Even when he consummated the marriage, it was not shown as something casual or impulsive rather he struggled with it and even regretted it. That itself shows he was not treating this lightly.

Also Karan’s flaws need to be acknowledged - he did take Tanya for granted, took advantage of her, disrespected her and that too in many ways where she ended up in a one sided marriage...he didn't cheat Tanya physically but emotionally he was a cheater and he literally took advantage of her which was unfair to Tanya. But again that reflects emotional immaturity and conflict not intentional betrayal of Nandini.

Tanya on the other hand was not unaware. She knew Karan didnt love her the way he loved Nandini let alone consider her as his wife initially and she still chose to enter and continue in that relationship. So while she was wronged in some ways she also made a conscious choice which a woman with self respect will never chose to do. So she had her own set of flaws.

I will still stand by my point that morally Karan never cheated on Nandini. If we are talking strictly from a legal standpoint then yes you can call it cheating and I wont argue that but as I said morality and legality are not always same when intentions are not malice. However comparing Karan’s situation with Mihir’s is completely absurd -the contexts are fundamentally different.

Now coming to the Mihir Mandira comparison - Mihir was in a stable, ongoing marriage with Tulsi when he got involved with Mandira. There was no “clinically dead” chapter there. On top of that, Mihir believed Mandira to be mentally unstable at that time. So from his perspective he was engaging with someone he thought was not in a sound state of mind.

That makes it not just cheating, but also taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Whether Mandira was faking it or not is irrelevant and Mihir didnt know that. So morally his actions are far more questionable where he took advantage of mentally unstable woman. Its immoral and this is the main reason why I dislike Mihir.

So no it is not about applying two different rules. The situations themselves are fundamentally different in terms of emotional context, awareness, and intent.

Coming to S2 things are even more unclear. The timeline itself does not add up and if Parth is 25–26 it raises serious inconsistencies. Also Karan’s character has always been shown as someone deeply affected by what happened with Mihir and Mandira. He distanced himself from Mihir because of that in last leap, bashed Mihir as he thought he again cheated on Tulsi. He didnot even spare his own mother and bashed her a lot. So it does not align with his characterization that he would consciously repeat the same mistake with Nandini.

Either the writers are changing the backstory or there is more to be revealed. Until then, labeling Karan as a cheater in S2 feels not right.

At most I would say Karan was flawed, conflicted, and many times unfair to Tanya but morally equating his situation to straightforward cheating oversimplifies a very complex scenario.

And if someone still wants to call it legal cheating that is fair and I wont argue against that. But from a moral and emotional standpoint I dont think it’s that simple. And that is the reason why I feel in S2 his first wife was Tanya.

Apart from the craziness of Rio being played by Akashdeep.

I enjoyed the MunRik scene today, they were so cute. Ritik being in love is my favorite shade, he is genuinely happy with her and I like how she plays into it.

Ritik's expressions at times does come across as overly done, but honestly that is his character he is expressive, nerdy and emotional and honestly its good to see a character like this.