Global Alert: US–Israel's Major Military Operations on Iran🔥#2 - Page 43

Originally posted by: Clochette

You tagged me about the verses... well, they are not God-made but men-made... the Quran got changed throughout times to accomodate certain interests... to me, they have no value as they are against humanity and in favor of supremacy... words are tools like weapons.

How often have I to state that I don't believe in a n y religion because the good essence a religion may have gets distorted for selfish reasons... so one can throw at me whatever verses and I will say "so what" that isn't an excuse for doing bad things and be a bad person.

My belief is - here in the forum and elsewhere - what Rizwan's mother said to his autistic son in My Name Is Khan: "There are only two kinds of people in this world. Good people who do good deeds. And bad people who do bad. That’s the only difference in human beings."

To me, this is something every human being has in itself, the good and the bad... it's the choice one makes that makes the person.

If an (alleged or genuine) "Beginner" comes into the forum citing selected Quran verses combining it with "Sorry Muslims i will expose you all.", the hate shown is something bad in my mind, so the intention of this 'new' member is bad at this moment (joining a chorus of those who can't stop to 'prove' how bad Islamic extremism is by flooding the forum with respective tweets... gosh, we a l l know how bad it is... these rants change n o t h i n g... they are like mutual 'pats on the back' - imo).

However, I really like when members keep to the topic and show that it is n o t really about Islamic terrorism in this war... so many good (and fitting) thoughts

Qur’an 2:190 — “Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.”

Qur’an 2:191 — “And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al‑Masjid al‑Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.”

Qur’an 2:193 — “And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.”

Qur’an 4:74 — “So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory — We will give him a great reward.”

Qur’an 4:89 — “They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.”

Qur’an 8:12 — “When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. So strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”

Qur’an 9:5 — “And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [on their way]. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.”

Qur’an 9:29 — “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture — [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”

Qur’an 33:26 — “And He brought down those who supported them among the People of the Scripture and cast them into captivity and made their hands and feet alternate [between them],”

Qur’an 47:4 — “So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike their necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens.”

Goodbye 👋

Originally posted by: Cynical1

https://x.com/ARanganathan72/status/2035022468973539365

I wasn’t making stuff up. He speaks about the “largely peaceful majority” attending funerals of Islamic terrorists that apparently have no religion but do when it’s time for their funeral

He speaks nothing but the truth .."ideology" is the main problem , as being said all along ..

Originally posted by: Clochette

You tagged me about the verses... well, they are not God-made but men-made... the Quran got changed throughout times to accomodate certain interests... to me, they have no value as they are against humanity and in favor of supremacy... words are tools like weapons.

How often have I to state that I don't believe in a n y religion because the good essence a religion may have gets distorted for selfish reasons... so one can throw at me whatever verses and I will say "so what" that isn't an excuse for doing bad things and be a bad person.

My belief is - here in the forum and elsewhere - what Rizwan's mother said to his autistic son in My Name Is Khan: "There are only two kinds of people in this world. Good people who do good deeds. And bad people who do bad. That’s the only difference in human beings."

To me, this is something every human being has in itself, the good and the bad... it's the choice one makes that makes the person.

If an (alleged or genuine) "Beginner" comes into the forum citing selected Quran verses combining it with "Sorry Muslims i will expose you all.", the hate shown is something bad in my mind, so the intention of this 'new' member is bad at this moment (joining a chorus of those who can't stop to 'prove' how bad Islamic extremism is by flooding the forum with respective tweets... gosh, we a l l know how bad it is... these rants change n o t h i n g... they are like mutual 'pats on the back' - imo).

However, I really like when members keep to the topic and show that it is n o t really about Islamic terrorism in this war... so many good (and fitting) thoughts

You were asking for the reason or root cause of extremism in some post earlier hence i tagged u to let you know the root cause. You may not believe in them but the extremists do and they are the ones that matter not you.

As for posting the verses, i don't think it's spreading hate. It's about spreading awareness. Better be aware than to fall prey to false propaganda of being peaceful and the fake claims of victimhood.

No one wants to prove anything to you cos your bias is clear as daylight. The only reason you are being tagged, i think, is because you have been disregarding other people's genuine concerns about Islamic extremism and instead calling them out. What you call rants are actually the dark reality that many people are still unaware of but do need to know for survival.

Digression from the topic does happens as one thing leads to another and everyone (sparing two or three) in this thread has done that including you - remember Your Hindutva post. That just appeared out of nowhere probably to counter the Islamic extremism posts that were being made...

Originally posted by: KingGodzilla

Qur’an 2:190 — “Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.”

Qur’an 2:191 — “And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al‑Masjid al‑Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.”

Qur’an 2:193 — “And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.”

Qur’an 4:74 — “So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory — We will give him a great reward.”

Qur’an 4:89 — “They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.”

Qur’an 8:12 — “When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. So strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”

Qur’an 9:5 — “And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [on their way]. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.”

Qur’an 9:29 — “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture — [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”

Qur’an 33:26 — “And He brought down those who supported them among the People of the Scripture and cast them into captivity and made their hands and feet alternate [between them],”

Qur’an 47:4 — “So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike their necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens.”

Goodbye 👋

Apparently just quoting the sacred verses is termed spreading hate by some. Don't know why 🤷

Btw u left an interesting one that comes right after the famous verse -killing one person is like killing all humanity. Verse 5:33 comes just after that verse and look what it says. 👇

Verse 5:33

Sahih International

Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.

Yusuf Ali

The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

Now the question arises does not believing in Allah and prophet Mohammad qualify as mischief and corruption? I think it does. Still think it's peaceful? I don't!

Okay... Enough on this topic. I'll stop here.

It would be such a good reason when t h e s e kind of killings were the true reason for (not only) this war:

Nathu, again tagging me? You're mature enough to know that it wasn't the citing of those verses (although, basically, this war is n o t about religion!), but it was the line directed to Muslims, I cited - t h a t is a bad intention, so, in my thinking exactly what you and Cynical do here, too (allegedly 'only' focussing on Islamic extremism)... you alternate with your Muslim-focussing posts...

WHY???

This war has started with targetting Iran n o t because it is ruled by Islamic extremists... don't you get it in your mind that this is only a pretext??? Like it seems to be a pretext for you and Cynical (and now a new Beginner) to vent your whatever... so sad... it is - in my eyes - destroying a thread where really good thought exchange could be possible...

Why don't you revive your Muslim thread in DM and get joined by those who like to vent equally their wish that somebody somewhere sometime does something to "get rid of" all those Islamic extremists/terrorists (which are easy to get used for all kind of political scams).

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Originally posted by: Clochette

Nathu, again tagging me? You're mature enough to know that it wasn't the citing of those verses (although, basically, this war is n o t about religion!), but it was the line directed to Muslims, I cited - t h a t is a bad intention, so, in my thinking exactly what you and Cynical do here, too (allegedly 'only' focussing on Islamic extremism)... you alternate with your Muslim-focussing posts...

WHY???

This war has started with targetting Iran n o t because it is ruled by Islamic extremists... don't you get it in your mind that this is only a pretext??? Like it seems to be a pretext for you and Cynical (and now a new Beginner) to vent your whatever... so sad... it is - in my eyes - destroying a thread where really good thought exchange could be possible...

Why don't you revive your Muslim thread in DM and get joined by those who like to vent equally their wish that somebody somewhere sometime does something to "get rid of" all those Islamic extremists/terrorists (which are easy to get used for all kind of political scams).

You may call it bad intention cos it's indeed bad for false propagandists of peace & victimhood, while it's a good for gullible unware people who fall prey to the false narratives of peace & victimhood. Either way like i said before i don't care.

We are destroying the thread? And what were you doing with that Hindutva post? It's easy to point fingers at others while ignoring one's own actions.

Why don't you stop moral policing and telling us what to do and what not to do? These posts are for the unware; we already know them so no point discussing them in dms. If You have problem with our posts then Vijay has introduced an amazing feature called block. You can use that instead of continuously giving sermons to others.

At the moment, I'm still reading at page 36 (advancing slowly), but your posts very well show the hypocrisy... I also would wish a happy Eid but I would make clear it's only to the peaceful ones, to those who overcome their fear to show and demand that Islam is not misused for spreading hate and violence and oppressing/killing people.

Why even get "frozen" by this shout??? Why not talking to this man...and maybe prepare yourself with some positive Peaceful & Tolerance-Focused Quran Quotes. (generally meant)

Bhaiya sab log clochette ji se apni apni posts ka approval lene ke baad post karo. Unko bahot hurt ho raha hai ki ye thread unke hisab se nahi ja rahi.

P.s. waise maine to topic se alag posts zyada ki bhi nahi yaha. I already have a random news thread jaha baki news posts karta hoon. Fir bhi pata nahi clochette ji ko itni takleef kyun hai 🤷