Global Alert: US–Israel's Major Military Operations on Iran🔥#2 - Page 32

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Originally posted by: IamRaj96

Why are other countries not able to stop the USA?? The simple answer is that they dont have the power to do so. Trying to stop the USA is almost like provoking a direct war with it. If even china and russia are not actively stopping the USA, then who else has the capability?? The answer is simple, no one.

Secondary reasons are that many countries are not allies of iran and stopping the USA in support of Iran would mean risking an attack from the USA themselves. While some countries may have strategic ties with iran for oil and energy, the threat posed by the USA is far more greater and risky.

Also USA usually targets countries with significant oil reserves, so most other countries remain relatively safe. Currently, parts of LatAm are the only one under pressure but they lack the power to resist actively. Cuba is next target of USA but from what i read recently, its leadership has already shown willingness to engage in talks with the USA so a war or conflict may be avoided.

Some countries have become vassal states of USA out of necessity, aligned themselves closely with the USA while still maintaining a degree of autonomy. For ex: south korea, japan, taiwan and GCC countries, NATO. These nations retain internal independence but accept certain conditions such as hosting US military bases and not directly challenging US dominance. In reality, they are not necessarily losing out from this arrangement, as many of them have developed rapidly and benefited economically. So, they continue this alignment as long as it remains advantageous.

However, under trump, the USA has become a less reliable ally. Because of this, it is likely that once current war settles in, many of its allies or vassal states will begin exploring alternative strategic partnerships. South korea, for ex, already appears to be engaging more with china. GCC countries may also follow a similar path and even the EU has started reconsidering its strategic positioning, especially after controversies like trump’s greenland ambitions.

Trump’s disastrous term has alienated many US allies. While some people say being an enemy of the US is better than being its ally, the reality is that, until recently, the US maintained strong control and coordination within its alliances. But now with trump as president that stability seems to be weakening nd their allies are increasingly looking for other options.

As for WWIII, it is unlikely, unless USA uses nukes on iran. However GCC countries have said that they might join USA-Israel side if Iran continues to attack them so cant be said anything at this moment, its just wait nd watch situation.

Besides all that you said - most of which I agree with - there is a deep down belief in most of the western world, that Islamic terrorism is a problem that they were not able to solve despite allowing mass immigration.

They thought they would assimilate and instead demand Sharia.

If you see, most of the western leaders complaint is you didn’t take us into confidence and ask us to join. It was apparent since weeks as US was preparing to attack and movement of recourses and fleet into gulf.

The latest announcement on Strait is driven by their own needs for energy and less about showing up as allies. So it also shows that they are only worried about protecting their interests and have little interest in other things. The same reason why they keep buying oil and gas from Russia and try to impose sanctions on India but can’t touch China. Their geopolitics is purely about personal interests that Jaishankar has often stated openly and challenged. Thanks to current govt India is where it is not n the world and how it is positioned during the war.

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Originally posted by: IamRaj96

#Winners

1. United States : whether they lose 10, 20 or evn 50 billion in a war, its just a small chunk for them. What they gain, however, is control over large oil reserves wherever they intervene. And im specifically saying americans because, in the long run, their citizens benefit as the country remains a superpower with significant control over the global energy sector. So every american benefits from it, whether they support it or not.

2. Russia : The second country gaining highly is russia. The world has started easing sanctions on them due to energy shortages and dependence on oil and gas.

#Losers

1. China : China is losing here as it is gradually losing its allies or puppets. Countries like venezuela and iran are under pressure (they have already lost venezuela though) and even its investments in the afgan-pak region are becoming unstable due to ongoing conflicts betn afgan-pak (though those conflicts are different in nature).

2. Iran : Another major loser is iran (regime). No matter how people try to frame it, iran is taking heavy losses. They are resisting strongly but the damage caused by the US/israel side is huge and in many cases, its irreversible. Even if new leadership emerges, the scale of losses remains huge.

3. GCC Countries : Gulf nations are facing economic setbacks despite not being directly involved. Regional instability affects trade, tourism and investor confidence. Prolonged instability may push investors toward more stable regions like singapore. (I forgot to mention but singapore may also make huge money but lets see)

4. EU : EU will also be affected. Since russia is benefiting, then EU is likely to face losses, as they are often inversely proportional to each other.

5. Energy dependent countries (SoKor, Jp) : Then there are countries that will continue to struggle like south korea, which depends heavily on energy supplies passing through the strait of hormuz. They will face economic pressure and have limited strategic flexibility. They may either remain vassal state to USA or be forced to explore new ones, possibly even china. Japan, however, remains strongly pro USA.

#Neutral players

1. India : India is neither gaining nor losing just like their petrol prices. It has maintained stable energy supplies and balanced relations with multiple sides. However, in the long run, this war could strengthen india’s image as a reliable and development focused partner, leading to more free trade deal.

#Long term gainers

1. Israel : Looking at long term gainers, israel could emerge stronger. Although it is currently suffering losses, if it wins the war, it could become a dominant regional power in the middle east. After weakening iran, other countries in the region will not dare to challenge israel. Despite current damage, israel could benefit in the long run.

2. India (potential) : In the long run, india may also benefit from its neutral stance. As a stable and development focused nation, it might attract more trade partnerships and global trust.

#Actual Winners (conditional)

1. Iranian people : Finally, if the US/israel win the war without using nukes, the biggest long term winners could be the iranian people. They might gain freedom and if stable democracy is established and even if they become vassal state of USA, their development could accelerate, similar to countries like south korea or japan, there is reason why iran is no.4 in world when it comes to IQ. New iran could emerge as major developed nation in the region. Since the losses have already occurred, i just hope the people there get the freedom they truly deserve.

And btw if u are talking about direct profits, the immediate beneficiaries are defense manufacturers worldwide. Companies whose weapons perform better in real world wars tend to gain credibility which translates into large scale contracts and long term deals. And second immediate gainer in terms of money is russia, since sanctions on them have already eased up they are making huge money currently.

Edit: Oh and yes, hamas and hezbollah are also likely to be major losers. Since their sponsors are being hit hard, the flow of funding will shrink, weakening them significantly. Oct 2023 was a huge mistake in the post 2000 world for those organizations. It has truly reshaped middle east geopolitics, possibly forever.

But then can we really say that US is gaining control over the oil reserves of Iran ? So far Iran retains the power to close Hormuz as and when and for whom it wants.. Trump said that they destroyed the Iranian air force but Iran still manages to intercept F35.. I agree that for a country like US losses cannot be a criteria for judging whether they win or loose a battle. What makes US a superpower is not just its riches but its presence everywhere on this planet, from where it can bomb any country. Its there in Indian Ocean, Pacific Ocean, in the middle East... Now since US is a security guarantor for Gulf, if they are not able to secure critical energy infra and if post things settle down Gulf seeks options, wouldn't that dent their superpower status ??

Yes US and Israel have surely managed to attack their stream of leadership, so that's certainly where they gain points..

Also if at all US wins in Iran and Iran becomes a vasal state of US, it will be a problem for India. I still maintain that.. A vasal state Iran after a vasal state Pakistan... Not a good idea..

Also I completely resonate with everyone's views against the brutalities of Islam and Islamization, however Iran didn't reach where it is today without the mighty US' hand. A bit of history below - May be you guys already know about it, still thought of posting :-

Iran may be just may be could have become a thriving democracy, a successful nation with human rights for its people and an economic success, had US let them be.. Iran had democracy in 1950s. The leader Mohd Mossadegh tried doing labor reforms, gave land rights, expanded social security and also something that perhaps he should not have done - 'nationalize Oil' ... So US did what it does best.. Orchestrated a coup.. against an elected, democratic leader.. Not only did they bribe politicians but also the orthodox Islamic clergy.. As a result Mossadegh was removed, monarchy led by Shah was given absolute power.. Mossadegh then lived under house arrest for life, was not even given proper funeral... A secret police force of Shah was established - SAVAK, with the help of USA that was also quite brutal in cracking down political opponents. As usual they came hard on secular and communist forces much more than the clergy.. Hence the only opposition that remained was the orthodox Khomeini after whom everyone rallied leading to the revolution of 1979 - of course it was a mistake... It is said that US misread Khomeini and did little to prevent the revolution from happening because of Khomeini's presumed anti communist stand and his promise to US that oil won't be a problem for them. US ambassador compared him to Gandhi... Post revolution Ayatollah came down heavy on Shah's forces and even those who had supported him during the revolution - communists .. The illusion that US can work around Khomeini ended with the hostage crisis of 1979... Hijab was imposed on women strictly by 1983.. Sharia imposed, textbooks changed, laws giving divorce and custody rights to women scrapped... All communists, common Iranians and US misread Islamists and Iran plunged into the age of darkness.. Then US and Israel supported both Iraq and Iran in the Iran Iraq war to keep both sides weak and find some 'moderates' in the regime with whom US can work around.. Of course history is a proof that so far they have not been able to find any... For Iranians if SAVAK and Shah were brutal, regime turned out to be even 10 times more brutal... Ayotallahs could have given up on the dream of becoming leaders of the Islamic world and not gone after Israel, given that Iran and Israrel don't even touch borders. Given the power they had over people, they could have read people at the right time when they desired certain freedoms.. But then they won't remain hardline Islamists with absolute control if they did so...

To think that Iran would be "allowed" to live in peace by these forces is quite aspirational, I would say. If Iran's resources are not in their control, they are not really free. Some or the other movement will keep emerging in Iran who would oppose US control of it's resources, even if we suppose Iran gets freed from the regime which itself looks difficult at this point...

I firmly believe that leaders are born from within... I don't think that US or Israel can liberate them. That's where I diverge from ur perspective.. Yes a weakened Iran will no longer be able to fund Hamas, Hezbollah... So Israel gets benefitted whether US wins or loose... An Islamist Iran will and hopefully never get it's hand laid on Nukes is another positive...

Here is what I hope to see .... I hope US looses. Iran retains its resources but is weakened due to prolonged war.. I do not wish to see in any way a US backed leader sitting in Iran or Iran as a vasal state of US...... Gulf diversifies its security apparatus and I hope India steps in, increases its influence to keep this region stable..

Whether Iranians will get a life they desire.. I don't know.. What I do know is till the time such forces exists in Iran - be it Islamists, communists or West aligned who think that for the sake of power they have a right to persecute people, kill the opposition, till that time any country can't progress or become successful... Yes religious fanaticism, when it becomes life threatening should be dealt with iron fist but in Iran it is only the religious fanatics who got a free pass .. Rest everyone got a good amount of medicine..

Originally posted by: Cynical1

Besides all that you said - most of which I agree with - there is a deep down belief in most of the western world, that Islamic terrorism is a problem that they were not able to solve despite allowing mass immigration.

They thought they would assimilate and instead demand Sharia.

If you see, most of the western leaders complaint is you didn’t take us into confidence and ask us to join. It was apparent since weeks as US was preparing to attack and movement of recourses and fleet into gulf.

The latest announcement on Strait is driven by their own needs for energy and less about showing up as allies. So it also shows that they are only worried about protecting their interests and have little interest in other things. The same reason why they keep buying oil and gas from Russia and try to impose sanctions on India but can’t touch China. Their geopolitics is purely about personal interests that Jaishankar has often stated openly and challenged. Thanks to current govt India is where it is not n the world and how it is positioned during the war.

Relationship between terrorism and the western world is bit more complex than it appears on the surface. There are some terrorist groups that the west (like the USA) has funded & supported such as ISIS and Al Qaeda to create instability in regions where instability can shift to their geopolitical interests. Then there are other groups that iran supports, like hezbollah and hamas.

Israel controls USA, USA funds terrorists groups (team A), Iran funds another terrorist groups (team B), they create problem for west (+israel), Israel attacks them. So west's relationship with terrorist organisations is bit complex, they are ok with them as long as they are useful for them, once they becomes threat to them, they are considered as their enemies.

Relationship between islam and the western world is also not a simple issue. For ex, some european countries are open to immigration from muslim majority nations, often influenced by political considerations like vote banks. Common example is the UK under leadership of keir starmer. On the other hand, some leaders like trump or meloni considers islam as threat. So policies often depend on whether the government is left leaning or right leaning. If tomorrow republicans comes to the power, they will welcome more muslims to USA to safeguard their vote bank.

But obviously general public especially christians are strictly against immigration from muslim world as they refuse to assimilate and demands sharia law wherever they go.

And they also have problem with indian immigrants as they think indians are stealing their jobs. So they dont like muslims bcz they refused to assimilate, creates violent situations, demands sharia and they also dont like indians bcz they more succesful than them lol.

Qur’an 2:39 — “But those who disbelieve and deny Our signs — those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide therein.”

Qur’an 2:161–162 — “Indeed, those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers — upon them is the curse of Allah and of the angels and of mankind, abiding eternally therein; the punishment will not be lightened for them, nor will they be reprieved.”

Qur’an 3:10 — “Indeed, those who disbelieve — never will their wealth or their children avail them against Allah at all; and those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide therein.”

Qur’an 4:56 — “Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses — We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.”

Qur’an 47:6 — “And for those who disbelieve — for them is destruction, and He will waste their deeds.”

Qur’an 98:6 — “Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.”