Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi 2: EDT #13 - Page 5

Originally posted by: SlatePencil

Ajay's parents may agree for the marriage for Ajay and Sunny but they will never be able to accept pari whole heartedly after all the things that she has done with them. If any unpleasant incident occurs in their family they will suspect pari's hand behind it

Yes but can't say,may be they will accept her when they realises pari has been changed then

Originally posted by: A_Star39

Honestly the +3 have rumbled up the family dynamics

Tulsi and Mihir are probably having problems in controlling so many kids

Shobha is the only one who was with tulsi since infancy and grew up with her.She seems the sane one.KN cannot handle 3 kids too

Tho i am confused how does her fam live without her for 6 years.

The moral of the story

Hum do humare do best option.

Or just bring two therapists and give viranis group therapy.

I believe the issue isn’t the number of kids but the unstable family dynamics. Our great grandparents and even our grandparents had many kids, but the concept of adultery, divorces and literal wife swapping between brothers never existed.

The issue is that the family dynamics are messed up not how many kids there are. You can have just a single child and still suck as parents.

Originally posted by: Phir_Mohabbat

i cried watching the show too. very heavy bt sweet show

Reply to post 2

Absolutely to me the country where a child is raised will always be secondary to the family of the child and the environment they provide.

Karan wasn’t just raised in Australia, he was raised by Mandira alone who wasn’t exactly playing mom the way she should have been either but Karan still ended up being a good person. We know Damini was in Australia too, maybe she’s also born and raised there. We have never seen either actress who played her character smoke, drink, gamble etc.

Karisma was raised in Australia as was Gautam but their upbringing was messed up which affected them but they didn’t end up as criminals or drug addicts owing to the same.

Tulsi herself mentioned in the episode where she’s leaving when she responds to Kiran and Hemant arguing that Desi and Videshi have nothing to do with her situation. It’s basic human values to expect fidelity, respect and loyalty in a relationship that you commit yourself to especially when it’s marriage.

It’s not as if a woman raised in America or Russia or Brazil or Namibia would be any less affected by discovering her husband has cheated on her again, when she’s in her 50s or 60s than a woman in India.

Similarly parents can be living anywhere and still their kids can either be raised right or be absolute wrecks. The location is important too but it’s role is in determining what you can provide for your child and how much, but rotten apples can be found even in the most elite of places tucked away and affecting those around them. But they don’t determine how you raised your kids either.

A family may live in Mumbai but it doesn’t mean that the whole of Mumbai will have a similar family structure and values or even the economic resources. Mumbai is the residence of the richest family in India the Ambanis, but it has poor people too. It’s dug up everywhere right now but in a couple of years to a decade it will be one of the best connected metros too.

Mumbai has Antilla, likely the most expensive residence in the world but also chawls and footpath dwellers.

The Ambanis can afford to buy the entire company of Hamleys when Mukesh Ambani discovered that he was about to have his first grandchild via his son Akash and his wife Shloka. There are plenty of people whose kids will never even know what a Hamleys is.

So Nandini can’t say that US or any other country is bad for kids and therefore Karan should do as told and shift to India. She isn’t even contemplating having a long distance relationship with him wherein he can be in the US for say 15/20 days a month or whatever while the rest of the time he’s in India. She can be in India with the kids too. If Karan feels the arrangement is not worth the time and effort to make the money when he can be with his family he will decide whether to continue with the arrangement or not, but she wants him to uproot everything he build by dangling the threat of the kids not being raised right when technically, regardless of where they live it will be primarily her job as a mom and Karan’s as a dad to ensure that their kids are raised right and well. Having family around and close by will make the job easier but it won’t replace them. Ultimately they can screw up as parents and not even know it. Look at Pari, she was what she was and girl has been raised by Tulsi in Mumbai! Right parenting and right place meant squat for her when she fell for the wrong kind of garbage masquerading as a human being and even reproduced with him!

Originally posted by: SlatePencil

Ajay's parents may agree for the marriage for Ajay and Sunny but they will never be able to accept pari whole heartedly after all the things that she has done with them. If any unpleasant incident occurs in their family they will suspect pari's hand behind it

They’re gonna experience what Anil Kapoor mentioned in No Entry when his wife nearly caught him with an escort in their guest house.

Saari zindagi apne hi ghar mein ghabraya ghabraya ghoomta rehta

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

I believe the issue isn’t the number of kids but the unstable family dynamics. Our great grandparents and even our grandparents had many kids, but the concept of adultery, divorces and literal wife swapping between brothers never existed.

The issue is that the family dynamics are messed up not how many kids there are. You can have just a single child and still suck as parents.

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

They’re gonna experience what Anil Kapoor mentioned in No Entry when his wife nearly caught him with an escort in their guest house.

Saari zindagi apne hi ghar mein ghabraya ghabraya ghoomta rehta

They will have to install CCTV cameras in the house to keep track of pari's activities

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Never read psychology books tbh but I am very interested in it and love to explore it via fictional stories. I love to understand what makes characters click and behave the way they do. Maybe a bit… weird… but the most fascinating real life example of what piques my curiosity in this department are serial killers as I watch shows, documentaries made about them.

I think Gautam doesn’t feel like the Golden child, not when he’s been given away like a toy won at a fair. But he definitely feels like he should be made to feel like he matters and the way to prove that is by listening to him always, making sure he feels important.

The problem is that he’s not always gonna be right and he has an issue accepting that, he’s not always easy to get along with, which is another issue. He is comparing his worth with Karan over and over again, feeling as if he’s slighted but never really accepting that Karan didn’t get this by virtue of simply existing or being there when Gautam wasn’t by being born to Mihir Tulsi as a replacement once Gautam was kidnapped. Karan went from being frowned upon to counted upon by virtue of his actions, him being there no matter what, him listening to his parents airing their grievances even if he couldn’t quite help them or solve their problems.

Actions make all the difference. Gautam doesn’t want to put in the work but expects that the person who does should not overshadow him either. How can that possibly play out? That’s what he needs to be told and accept, which is the uphill task here as he will feel looked down upon the moment he is shown this ugly mirror.

Karan has had to fight to get accepted, to get access and acknowledgment. Gautam was the child everyone pined for, Karan is the child who pined for people who didn’t even know he existed and when they did, they didn’t like his very existence.

Karan values what he earned, Gautam feels he’s owed for what he’s missed out on but he’s not willing to sacrifice his ego, humility or even patience for it. Hard to make him understand that while he’s got grievances that are fair and justified, he’s not right on all counts and he’s got to accept it too. As they say, it takes two to tango.

Thankfully you told this. The makers didn't give good dialogues to Karan yesterday, else we can clearly see how much Gautam had a sense of entitlement just for the sake of existing...

What he said yesterday was that being the eldest son, he had the right to sit on the Pooja. Nothing like I am elder brother to Hritik or I love him, simply that I have the right.

He had a problem that Tulsi didn't come to find him when he didn't recieve Tulsi's call but now we know, Tulsi didn't even call Karan in the last six years and didn't respond to Karan's call. So a clear contrast. He feels Karan is more loved because Karan is always content with whatever he gets, not because Gautam gets less. His expectations is high while Karan is ok with whatever he gets.

I don't know how much of season 1 holds here but if you remember, in season 1, Tulsi got Karan imprisoned to save Gautam, to be honest this could actually be taken as preferring Gautam over Karan, but Karan didn't take it that way, for him it only mattered that Tulsi went against him only because she was compelled

Karan had to fight for bare minimum and even after getting he was regularly chided for being illegitimate while for Gautam, everyone took him in two hands..

Yet Karan found his place after immense efforts and Gautam remained at the position he was when it started. And that's something which he can't accept any more.

I mean think of it, what exactly has Gautam done for the family and compare it to what Karan has done

Originally posted by: Bodhianveshika

My reading of Gautam's character is "not feeling wanted".

He never grew up with a family and siblings and his entire life was trying to "fit-in" where as his siblings/cousins just blended in. Him having to prove his worth and loyalty everytime to everyone. This made him want to snatch what he doesn't get (not the right thing to do, well....).

He married Ganga under pressure (trying to keep his parents' commitment? I cant remember) despite being in Love with Tisha. He married Damini as some revenge on Karan. Both of these were his wrongdoings and both were at a time when we was desperate to show his relevance?

I think when we see and experience favouritsm of some sort, we tend to start hating the person who is the favourite (despite the person not being at fault at ALL) after holding the people who do the favouritsm responsible ALL the while.

he married Ganga because the family had added a clause that he would inherit his share in the property only when he marries Ganga.

Marriage with Damini was simply to avenge the death of Teesha and their unborn daughter who died in a car crash with Mandira. That didn't have anything to do with Karan. Karan wasn't there in that car, he didn't know that Teesha had died in that car crash for quite some time, and had practically lost his mother(as per him) who was the only family that he knew. Till then he hadn't opened up with to Anupam/Kesar, he didn't have much property/money

Gautam on the other hand was the apple of the family's eye. He had the highest share of inheritance of Viranis. He was a member of board of directors at Virani industries. Where exactly he lack anything to show he had to show his relevance?? If anything he was the family's favourite.

Karan did become family's favourite but that was after he completely decimated his existence for the family. As l said in a previous post he was the only person except Tulsi for whom family came before self. Gautam even at a time when he was family's favourite kept doing things for his selfish interests. I mean if say Pooja gets jealous of Tulsi because Tulsi is most loved bahu of SN, will that jealousy be justified?

In yesterday's episode karan mentioned to tulsi and mihir that he had wanted to return to india during these past six years. He claimed he tried to contact them many times , but neither of them responded .

In my pov karan needs to reconsider his situation and move back to India permanently. He can easily wind up his business in the Usa and settle in India . Mihir, rithik and angad all are there to support him in setting things up.

As a fan of the karan-nandini pairing i definitely don't want to see them in a long distance relatiohship, and i certainly don't want to see a divorce. Even samaira told to tulsi she wants to live with both of her parents, not just one of them.