Mannat Har Khushi Paane Ki: Episode Discussion Thread - 39 - Page 89

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Given the patriarchal setup in which the story belongs to, Vik has higher moral responsibility and he has only behaved selfish when the crisis came. The wedding day, he thought only about his betrayal. We can give him BoD because he is human and he felt betrayed and it is not easy to digest an indentity crisis. But what he has done after that puts him in a low moral standpoint. Seven years is a long time for introspection and to understand why Mannat hid the truth....they could have shown him trying to search mannat and his parents for once!! With wealth, power and status, he naturally assumes more moral responsibility than Mannat. Add his gender to it, then he has to be more responsible. Thats the minimum expectation.

Unfortunately, society is not yet there to see him and Mannat with same lens. Even if we see them with equal lens, what Vik has done to his foster parents is not morally right. IMHO. They should have shown him searching for them atleast once. Or when he found them out, immediately reach out to them...independent of what he feels for Mannat. Lets say if Mannat died, then what? would he leave his parents on the road? Or never searched for them? If one is this heartless (according to dumb writers how they are projecting him) to his own foster parents, enjoying their wealth, how in the first place will he raise someone else's child? I dont think people connected to Yuvi and him at all. Again writers fault for such poor execution. They just dont care. Insert one passionate hug and pray everything works out. Do not put effort in making him worthy of such hugs.

Rightly pointed out sadiltl.. Writers don't think in depth..

I too pointed out same in the immediate post leap episodes as to why vik is not searching for rotu atleast.. for mannat he remembers mannat saying she won't forgive him and then left town.. So maybe he thinks she don't want to be involved with him, this time irreparably.. But he should have atleast searched for rotu.. But recent episode of vik-neetu indicated he is heart vs mind situation, his heart wants thems back but mind says they left town and don't want him in their life so he didn't want to push his way through their life..but as you said what if even with mannat by side they were not doing well, he should have atleast kept a tab on them and their well being..?,

Same way with mannat, they completely left of her relationship with gagan and aniruddh.... Both were so important in her life, especially gagan..

In same way with dhairya... As I have already said no matter how many issues we have with our siblings , if at all we can do something for their well being we do it.. We keep our issues aside, help them and once things sort out we maybe back being mad at them until they apologize.. In same way dhairya could stay mad at vik for what he did preleap but he could have met vik atleast once after a week or so after the wedding day.. Atleast for sake of his niece?, I wouldn't have kept this responsibility on dhairya if he was a stranger but as brother and dcp who actually could have solved the issues by investigating dadi's death case, he didn't try even once atleast for sake of his neice well being.. And dhairya would have done that, given his character graph he is a good man despite his flaws, he would have been sensitive and sorted enough to try to resolve the issue atleast one more time for his brother who he claimed to love the most?, or atleast for his neice..but writers left that part out...

All this because had vik tried meeting rotu, or dk tried meeting vik then there wont be 7 years leap.. But had they put little bit effort they could found some logic as to why they didn't do it or even if they did why werent they successful..?

In same way today's dialogues I doubt if writers even understood what they wrote..how wrong it came across..because if they actually wanted vik to say this in such a double meaning way, they would have made mannat slap him.. that dialogue was so gross.. And the worst thing is tomorrow vik and mannat will share a intense eye lock..?, logic????.. had it been a day or two later it was still fine but just 2 min later to this confrontation.. that eye lock scenes,mannat should have atleast in that moment felt uncomfortable looking into his eyes.. but they share such a longing eye lock...What we're they thinking while writing these scenes...?

The worst thing is malla molested vik twice, sent goons to sexually assault mannat and then record it,and they wrote all this without providing justice to mannat Or vikrant... There is a limit to creativity liberty too..

It's not like they don't have any other choice to get mannat to SM.. they could have made vik do this for neetu to stay at SM for her health reasons.. Or to help mannat find out about aish..

And also I am not commenting on vik accepting yash proposal because as of now I feel his intentions with yash are true, he actually wants to try to move on..just like how they showed until now.. that he won't be able to move on but he doesn't realise it yet, so he is actually trying to move on....and showing off infront of mannat is subsidiary ...But going ahead if they show vik accepted yash proposal just to make mannat jealous.. then it's not acceptable..

Originally posted by: Rdigest

I am only going to stick to ManVik since we discussed in depth about why we like/dislike some side characters and I won't bring them into this post .

Did my post justify any of Vikrant's actions or Mannat's actions? Infact, I praised the writers for a change for bringing out equal actions and reactions from both characters and was focusing on how audience reacts differently to similar situations when played out on ML and FL.

And I still have issues with ML characterization and how he is kept in the dark until the final showdown, but that's not the intention of my post and to diss the writers like I always do.

Reaction of the audience I highlighted is irrespective of writing, characterization and how similar scenes get different reactions from audience.

Bold..

Not this one but

'Mannat should accept her mistakes, Mannat should have redemption. RoTu are his criminals, oh he got triggered by DCP, DK shouldn't have done so n so'...

All these are statements in Viks defense.. I dont know what more defense can there be...

I can speak for myself when I am saying Viks actions especially post meeting Mannat in Indore cannot be justified.. he is acting purely out of revenge. And that his characterization or rather the downfall of his character is independent of what anyone else did. I draw a line at CA. 🤬

And I have a right to criticize what I dont like.

We have gone over this which now seems like forever. 🤦‍♀️

Pink.... similar scenes get different reactions because typically Mannats thought process comes out logical and with a justification whereas Viks doesn't.

Not everything can be excused as his trauma when he has done nothing to come out of that trauma. Least he could havr done was to get professional help. He is not trying to come out of it rather making it difficult for himself by making another grave mistake.

A simple start would be him looking into who real Vikrant Saluja is.. an identity he carries but is struggling to accept. This he can do without checking up on anything or anyone.

Nothing Vik is doing right now or was doing since Indore can be explained without having an undue bias in his favour.

I think we can all agree that we want ManVik together and fight the demons in their life. There is no audience who doesn't want them to end up together.. but it should come after proper redemption... not because they have to end up together.

Where is Mannats BDB who used to be her protector right from when she was few hours old? He used to save her when she did not even seek him.

And now when she actually needs him he is fighting with her not for her. He is fighting everything that she has stood for. So why should I as a viewer have sympathy for him when I see nothing but humiliation and distrust and it frustrates me to see a ML like this.

The reason I point this out is Mannat was fighting with Vish for Vikrant.. not against him... thats the key difference.

Thats the reason the audience sympathizes with her.

And if I am to bring the gendered perspective again then I want to see Aditya Kashyaps, Jay Rathods, Rahul Raichands and Raj Malhotras of the world... not Kabir Singh and Animals.

Is it a tall ask for a ML who was once a green flag???

Originally posted by: Moor278

Bold..

Not this one but

'Mannat should accept her mistakes, Mannat should have redemption. RoTu are his criminals, oh he got triggered by DCP, DK shouldn't have done so n so'...

All these are statements in Viks defense.. I dont know what more defense can there be...

I can speak for myself when I am saying Viks actions especially post meeting Mannat in Indore cannot be justified.. he is acting purely out of revenge. And that his characterization or rather the downfall of his character is independent of what anyone else did. I draw a line at CA. 🤬

And I have a right to criticize what I dont like.

We have gone over this which now seems like forever. 🤦‍♀️

Pink.... similar scenes get different reactions because typically Mannats thought process comes out logical and with a justification whereas Viks doesn't.

Not everything can be excused as his trauma when he has done nothing to come out of that trauma. Least he could havr done was to get professional help. He is not trying to come out of it rather making it difficult for himself by making another grave mistake.

A simple start would be him looking into who real Vikrant Saluja is.. an identity he carries but is struggling to accept. This he can do without checking up on anything or anyone.

Nothing Vik is doing right now or was doing since Indore can be explained without having an undue bias in his favour.

I think we can all agree that we want ManVik together and fight the demons in their life. There is no audience who doesn't want them to end up together.. but it should come after proper redemption... not because they have to end up together.

Where is Mannats BDB who used to be her protector right from when she was few hours old? He used to save her when she did not even seek him.

And now when she actually needs him he is fighting with her not for her. He is fighting everything that she has stood for. So why should I as a viewer have sympathy for him when I see nothing but humiliation and distrust and it frustrates me to see a ML like this.

The reason I point this out is Mannat was fighting with Vish for Vikrant.. not against him... thats the key difference.

Thats the reason the audience sympathizes with her.

And if I am to bring the gendered perspective again then I want to see Aditya Kashyaps, Jay Rathods, Rahul Raichands and Raj Malhotras of the world... not Kabir Singh and Animals.

Is it a tall ask for a ML who was once a green flag???

My post doesn't talk about who is right or who is wrong, it was to highlight writers POV , how audience are reacting to similar scenes between ML & FL. Let me bring up 1 example which I pointed out in my post, Vikrant forgiving Malla vs Mannat forgiving ARS. Is there really a logical thinking or reasoning for either of their actions? Malla sex trapped Vikrant, ARS murdered Sunita, made murder attempts on Mannat, Shurti.

Originally posted by: Mona_HappyLife

Woh toh har couple mei fights hota hai na. And out of anger, the partner does say some spiteful things to the other partner but the question is how long ?

Matlab if Vikrant's situations is never solved is he forever going to be like this to her & not for once try to know what had actually happen 7 yrs back ? (considering hypothetically 1 secret atleast comes out)

Thats were my problem is. Mannat par gussa about hidding RoTu Aman truth is one thing & continously CAing her is another. Relationships can never work like this in the name of eternal love. Thats all crap.

That statement was extremely in bad taste. Thankfully Dua or Yuvi didn't hear all these.

If it's about dialogues and writing, Saditil and Chaotic made a few brilliant posts today. I would highly recommend the posts 🤩