Naagin 7: Episode Discussion Thread #2 - Page 61

Originally posted by: masked

Well the latest TRP ratings prove that perhaps the CV's are on the right track with regards to the storyline.Taking the Top No 1 Spot in the TRP ratings along with other iconic shows such as Anupama shows that the CV's have kept the momentum which has been sustained over the weeks.

The latest ratings proof only two things.

1. Writers have fumbled with the story big time by not keeping their focus solely on Ananta and keeping the story centered around her. That's why ratings have fallen from 2.4 to 2. The momentum they got with Ananta's entry is lost because of their stupidity and focusing on useless relationship dramas and an uninteresting underwhelming and annoying male lead.

2. The ratings we saw today belonged to the episodes of Yeti and Ananta fight ( I'm saying this because that's the aspect that was promoted by the channel. ) So it's correct to assume people turned up to see Naagin Ananta in action mode. This is not a coincidence when it is happening repeatedly. Every time they give a promo highlighting Ananta in fight mode , be it Dragon or Yeti , viewers flock to watch. But the dumb cvs are not utilising that aspect well.

The CV's do need to work on Aryamaan's character though.Radhika's entry and Ahana's killing spree have kept the momentum ticking for the viewers.

Radhika's entry has done nothing for the show. Her character wasn't even required at this point. What'd she add to the storyline ? Nothing. Relationship drama ? Nobody wants that ? Love triangle ? Hard pass. Villain angle ? Show already have too many villains that are underutilized. They introduced big boss Erul and literally sidelined him for comic relief.

Radhika is annoying. I fast forwarded her parts. Even as a character she's boring and adds nothing to the story.

I have seen PKYEK myself and indeed Abhay's character was much ahead of its time.However both Abhay and Aryamaan despite coming from elite backgrounds are vastly different characters.

Abhay was a mount college student despite being a 250 year old vampire(if I remember the no.of years correctly) whereas Aryamaan is an established Media Tycoon.

Abhay did protect Piya at all times like during that Tempo scene or dropping her to the Hostel while she was drunk and in various difficult situations specially from dangerous werewolf adversaries like Jeh.But he did all these things bcoz Piya's face reminded him of Maithali whereas in Aryamaan's case neither Purvi nor Ahana's face is a replica of Radhika's face

No Abhay kept saving Piya only very initially be because she was Maithili's doppelganger. But from the very beginning he felt that soulmate connection with Piya and then he fell head over heels in love with Piya and before Maithili re entered his life ,he was all about Piya and completely moved on from Maithili even though he didn't know of her betrayal.

Aryamaan never took any interest in either Purvi/Ahana though he did defend Purvi one time from his criminal siblings.

Aryaman should have been wayy stricter with his criminal siblings. Really the bar is in hell if his token protest against them deserves any credit . They don't. He openly indulges and fawns upon his siblings especially Ravish even though he knows what a kameena he was. He stood silent when they dragged Purvi and Ananta's character like a typical accomplice to his criminal family.

He so easily believed their bs looteri dulhan story though logically that story has lots of holes. Looteri bride gangs don't stay at one place for a long time. They keep changing place very often to avoid detection and carry out their traps. Here, Ananta had been working in his company for a long time . He didn't doubt his family because they're his family and his brain and eyes both get closed when his own is concerned. He even openly publicized them as looteri gang in his channel.

Abhay even purposely tried to hurt/keep away Piya once or twice to supress his deep admiration/love for her.He even died for Piya wiping off her memories just for her safety that was the depth of intense love for her.I have seen Pratham doing the same for Bela too in Bekaboo.

But both the ML characters are years apart-Abhay was more than a decade ago while Aryamaan is present now.

The viewers desires and tastes change over the years and here we are all living in the SM age.Nowadays there are no youth oriented/college type shows on ITV now.

Viewers basically want to watch good well written characters . That has never changed and will never change. Abhay was different Aryaman so what ? It's a different story, different context ofcourse they'll be different. That doesn't make Aryaman anything less than what he is, a very poorly written annoying character.

Neither Aryamaan can be like Abhay nor Abhay was like the former-in terms of comparison Abhay seems a far more better ML character-cunning intuitive and loveable-such qualities are absent in ML characters now.

Abhay was interesting and brilliant from the get go. I felt every emotion of his . I cried when he cried. I laughed when he gave someone back, throw some sass. I fist pumped when he one upped his enemies. I worried for him when he got in trouble.

That connection is totally missing here. Other than annoyance I feel nothing for Aryaman. I didn't feel anything for him when he cried for Radhika . I didn't feel bad for him . I felt disgusted at his antics. Stalking and darubazi.

And tbh, I suspect CVs also know their ML is not connecting with the viewers. That's why they hurriedly revealed this big secret so early on , that it was Bharni who killed Purvi, not Aryaman . And then gave a bunch of dialogs like wo kitna mahan hai , wo Purvi ko uski family ko bacha leta.. Bhai this is a show, so don't tell us Tera hero kitna mahan hai , show us. So far we've only seen him a mute spectator or accomplice to his family.

And then telling us he's against Chingistan.

All these are attempts to find better acceptability with the viewers. But guess what ? Their desperation shows they've already failed ! If they'd done better job with the character they didn't have to resort to desperate info dumps.

Aryamaan despite his alcoholism and toxicness is sensitive and willing to stand for the right things(in front of his eyes)-he at one time did protest for that Fake Ananta and even married Ahana just to keep his sister Pinky happy.

Er ? He never took any stand . What right things ? Stalking ? Alcoholism ? Emotional balckmail ? Making video recording of girls ? Roofie them unconscious and leave them alone unattended in a place like Delhi ? Ruining life of his best friend and an innocent girl ? Fake marry his fiance ? Treat his friend like a toy of his psychopath sister ?

Sensitive and standing for right things indeed.

He's demonstrated all the traits of a classic narc psycho.

It's not that he does not have brains-his scepticism regarding Ahana was correct(being Dhawan's child) and willingness to use underhanded tactics to get Ahana's truth.He needs proof or verifiable evidences to take a stand for the right things.

No one cares . Literally doesn't matter if he stands by Ananta or against him. His character is not worth the effort.

Aryamaan has no incentive to trust Ahana until she proves herself right or he somehow miraculously begins to suspect his own enemy spy family.

She doesn't need to prove sh^t to that man. All she needs to do is torture him day and night. His trust is not a prize. It could very well be a burden.

If he can betray his childhood best friend , we must ask ourselves is it even worth being loved by such a man ? 2nd hand one at that .

Unlike Abhay who had his own vampire family as effective backups Aryamaan has no ally possibly except Ahana.He has to himself treat his wedding with utmost seriousness.Will he do that for Ahana-its higlyy doubtful but it can happen if the CV's do the same.

Originally posted by: masked

Well the latest TRP ratings prove that perhaps the CV's are on the right track with regards to the storyline.Taking the Top No 1 Spot in the TRP ratings along with other iconic shows such as Anupama shows that the CV's have kept the momentum which has been sustained over the weeks.

The CV's do need to work on Aryamaan's character though.Radhika's entry and Ahana's killing spree have kept the momentum ticking for the viewers.

I have seen PKYEK myself and indeed Abhay's character was much ahead of its time.However both Abhay and Aryamaan despite coming from elite backgrounds are vastly different characters.

Abhay was a mount college student despite being a 250 year old vampire(if I remember the no.of years correctly) whereas Aryamaan is an established Media Tycoon.

Abhay did protect Piya at all times like during that Tempo scene or dropping her to the Hostel while she was drunk and in various difficult situations specially from dangerous werewolf adversaries like Jeh.But he did all these things bcoz Piya's face reminded him of Maithali whereas in Aryamaan's case neither Purvi nor Ahana's face is a replica of Radhika's face

Aryamaan never took any interest in either Purvi/Ahana though he did defend Purvi one time from his criminal siblings.

Abhay even purposely tried to hurt/keep away Piya once or twice to supress his deep admiration/love for her.He even died for Piya wiping off her memories just for her safety that was the depth of intense love for her.I have seen Pratham doing the same for Bela too in Bekaboo.

But both the ML characters are years apart-Abhay was more than a decade ago while Aryamaan is present now.

The viewers desires and tastes change over the years and here we are all living in the SM age.Nowadays there are no youth oriented/college type shows on ITV now.

Neither Aryamaan can be like Abhay nor Abhay was like the former-in terms of comparison Abhay seems a far more better ML character-cunning intuitive and loveable-such qualities are absent in ML characters now.

Aryamaan despite his alcoholism and toxicness is sensitive and willing to stand for the right things(in front of his eyes)-he at one time did protest for that Fake Ananta and even married Ahana just to keep his sister Pinky happy.

It's not that he does not have brains-his scepticism regarding Ahana was correct(being Dhawan's child) and willingness to use underhanded tactics to get Ahana's truth.He needs proof or verifiable evidences to take a stand for the right things.

Aryamaan has no incentive to trust Ahana until she proves herself right or he somehow miraculously begins to suspect his own enemy spy family.

Unlike Abhay who had his own vampire family as effective backups Aryamaan has no ally possibly except Ahana.He has to himself treat his wedding with utmost seriousness.Will he do that for Ahana-its higlyy doubtful but it can happen if the CV's do the same.

About the TRPs. No the writers aren't on the right track, the trp isn't from recent week, it's yeti fight which they promoted that week(could've actually gotten more if they had focused on the leads' wedding). In fact the promos are a good example, the radhika entry got way less likes, comments and traction in 5 days compared to a few hours of ahana' tandav.

@bold.

He also IMMEDIATELY vilified her despite knowing very well 1. His brother is kameena fkboi, in a latter scene where he's caught with swarna he admits he's known about his rakish tendencies. That combined w the fact that ananta had worked in his office for 4 years without any issue, it's clear who was lying. Next moment when their wedding is fixed he's like yeah achha hua. 2. Him marrying ahana wasn't a good thing, or sensitive. He betrayed his closest friend with the same pain he's been suffering for 5 years. He emotionally manipulated Vikram to be into a relationship with Pinky and then he just gave him the same pain?!? If anything it's a sign of how characterless and disloyal he truly is. He and his family are just entitled brats. He wants radhika, didn't get her and somehow made that everyone else's problem. Vikram is her sister's toy whom nobody else can have and not even Vikram has any say in that.

At this point it doesn't matter whether he treats his marriage seriously or not, it's worse than arranged. He constantly disrespects ahana, and he is a loose character. Honestly I can't even compare him to abhay because forget about Piya, aryaman doesn't have that character. Abhay was willing to take the blame of Maya in front of everyone while actually helping her because he's that kinda person. You rooted for him. Yes, it's heart touching how much he loved Piya,BUT it's not the fact that Arya isn't in love w Ahana, but just how he lacks any quality at all. Love shove will happen over the time but you need the characters to have some common ground, respect for each other, audience needs to root for you... Arya lacks all that. Forget ahana/ananta he doesn't even treat his best friend whom he says is like a brother, right.

Vikram baby... come on I'm cheering for you sm... Ho gayi dosti iss saanp ke saat now show him what you're made of. RUIN HIM. THE AUDACITY OF THIS BEWDA. Just don't ahana baby and you're free to do anything

Take suris money bring them on road.

Use that money to marry radhika then f her in Arya'office and send him pics

Get pinky pregnant and leave herwhy should Suri men have all the kameenapan wala fun.

I genuinely don't feel as bad as I do for anyone else( ahana lost everyone but ise khud ko ghanta farak padta hai... Didi wants to be wifey...chiiii). Bechara Vikram sochta hoga kya saanp pala Maine achha hota iss bewde ko delhi ke traffic mein mar jaane Diya hota.

Originally posted by: MannMeinRadha

The latest ratings proof only two things.

1. Writers have fumbled with the story big time by not keeping their focus solely on Ananta and keeping the story centered around her. That's why ratings have fallen from 2.4 to 2. The momentum they got with Ananta's entry is lost because of their stupidity and focusing on useless relationship dramas and an uninteresting underwhelming and annoying male lead.

2. The ratings we saw today belonged to the episodes of Yeti and Ananta fight ( I'm saying this because that's the aspect that was promoted by the channel. ) So it's correct to assume people turned up to see Naagin Ananta in action mode. This is not a coincidence when it is happening repeatedly. Every time they give a promo highlighting Ananta in fight mode , be it Dragon or Yeti , viewers flock to watch. But the dumb cvs are not utilising that aspect well.

Agreed but its just a minor blip.However the Naagin howsoever powerful she might be needs to be shown as vulnerable without making her gullible or a weak lady.In the previous three seasons of the Naagin franchise the CV's had struck the perfect balance between vulnerability and strength in a Naagin's character so that's what can be repeated in Ahana's Naagin character too.

Radhika's entry has done nothing for the show. Her character wasn't even required at this point. What'd she add to the storyline ? Nothing. Relationship drama ? Nobody wants that ? Love triangle ? Hard pass. Villain angle ? Show already have too many villains that are underutilized. They introduced big boss Erul and literally sidelined him for comic relief.

Radhika is annoying. I fast forwarded her parts. Even as a character she's boring and adds nothing to the story.

I have to disagree with your assessment here.I like the actress behind Radhika's character so its fair to give her a strong chance to present her character onscreen whether negative or grey that will be disclosed in the future episodes.

No Abhay kept saving Piya only very initially be because she was Maithili's doppelganger. But from the very beginning he felt that soulmate connection with Piya and then he fell head over heels in love with Piya and before Maithili re entered his life ,he was all about Piya and completely moved on from Maithili even though he didn't know of her betrayal.

Again I am in total agreement with this point too.The deep soulmate bond between Abhay and Piya was right there from the initial days itself however Abhay used to hurt her purposely in the beginning to either keep her safe or to prevent himself from experiencing that same pain of falling in love again with the same angelic face of Maithali/Piya.

It was Piya who first confessed her love for him during that camping trip of course in that tent. Abhay heard it and chastised her for it.

Aryaman should have been wayy stricter with his criminal siblings. Really the bar is in hell if his token protest against them deserves any credit . They don't. He openly indulges and fawns upon his siblings especially Ravish even though he knows what a kameena he was. He stood silent when they dragged Purvi and Ananta's character like a typical accomplice to his criminal family.

He so easily believed their bs looteri dulhan story though logically that story has lots of holes. Looteri bride gangs don't stay at one place for a long time. They keep changing place very often to avoid detection and carry out their traps. Here, Ananta had been working in his company for a long time . He didn't doubt his family because they're his family and his brain and eyes both get closed when his own is concerned. He even openly publicized them as looteri gang in his channel.

Aryamaan's character is in 24/7 Radhika Bhakti mode.He has been hurt so much deeply by her betrayal that he readily believes whatever is being said about any woman-be it Fake Ananta or Ahana without verifying the facts himself.

Radhika might be a planted Changistaan agent sent by Erul to hurt Arymaan who knows otherwise which woman would like to leave a rich man?

Viewers basically want to watch good well written characters . That has never changed and will never change. Abhay was different Aryaman so what ? It's a different story, different context ofcourse they'll be different. That doesn't make Aryaman anything less than what he is, a very poorly written annoying character.

Its upto the CV's to make Aryamaan's character more interesting now bcoz his past cannot be retconned now.

Er ? He never took any stand . What right things ? Stalking ? Alcoholism ? Emotional balckmail ? Making video recording of girls ? Roofie them unconscious and leave them alone unattended in a place like Delhi ? Ruining life of his best friend and an innocent girl ? Fake marry his fiance ? Treat his friend like a toy of his psychopath sister ?

Sensitive and standing for right things indeed.

He's demonstrated all the traits of a classic narc psycho.

I have stated before that Aryamaan takes the right stands only when he sees something bad happening right in front of his own eyes.Being a Media Tycoon that's his inbuilt nature to verify the facts first before giving any sort of reaction.

As far as being a Psycho is concerned yup his past baggage regarding Radhika's betrayal has made his eyes closed to the realities of the world.That's why he wanted to gather as much information as he could about his current wife Ahana.

Ahana's gonna have a hard time in convincing him regarding her justified acts of revenge.

No one cares . Literally doesn't matter if he stands by Ananta or against him. His character is not worth the effort.

At the moment considering the TRP ratings I don't think CV's would take the risk of replacing their main lead character Aryamaan so early.What matters is the overall position of the serial in the TRP ratings nowadays because that brings in the revenues and also contributes to the bottomline too including the endorsement/brands promoted by the lead actors and actresses of the serial.

And Naagin 7 is the top rated serial of Colors now.

If the CV's work on the chemistry part of Arhana then that would make the serial more interesting.

You're right

Originally posted by: masked

I have stated before that Aryamaan takes the right stands only when he sees something bad happening right in front of his own eyes.Being a Media Tycoon that's his inbuilt nature to verify the facts first before giving any sort of reaction.

As far as being a Psycho is concerned yup his past baggage regarding Radhika's betrayal has made his eyes closed to the realities of the world.That's why he wanted to gather as much information as he could about his current wife Ahana.

Ahana's gonna have a hard time in convincing him regarding her justified acts of revenge.

He doesn't take the right stand. He takes convenient stands. Be it knowing ravish and ananta nature, yet believing his brother, or calling her luteri dulhan one day after his brother was caught with the minister's wife. He stalks his ex, roofies women and takes their videos and then sl$tshames them, it's not gathering proof. That's who he is as a character, as a person. He's the same guy who can manipulate and force his best friend into a relationship where he's not interested and gets mad at him for trynna live his own life. He's the guy who does not have any empathy for anyone else, it's very much clear the way he treats vikram. Imagine if Vikram made a joke about fking radhika in front of him.

And your last line... If ahana convinces him of ANYTHING then it is not giving ahana character or vulnerability, it's weakening her character. That's disgusting for a show like naagin. She doesn't need to prove anything, to him or the audience. It's his character which is fking filthy.

It's not a saas bahu show where the woman has to prove her worth by showing how good, how useful how doormat or pati worshipping patni she is. None of the naagin followed this theme. The thought of naagin proving anything to this bewda stalker feels like blasphemy.

Originally posted by: salta

About the TRPs. No the writers aren't on the right track, the trp isn't from recent week, it's yeti fight which they promoted that week(could've actually gotten more if they had focused on the leads' wedding). In fact the promos are a good example, the radhika entry got way less likes, comments and traction in 5 days compared to a few hours of ahana' tandav.

@bold.

He also IMMEDIATELY vilified her despite knowing very well 1. His brother is kameena fkboi, in a latter scene where he's caught with swarna he admits he's known about his rakish tendencies. That combined w the fact that ananta had worked in his office for 4 years without any issue, it's clear who was lying. Next moment when their wedding is fixed he's like yeah achha hua. 2. Him marrying ahana wasn't a good thing, or sensitive. He betrayed his closest friend with the same pain he's been suffering for 5 years. He emotionally manipulated Vikram to be into a relationship with Pinky and then he just gave him the same pain?!? If anything it's a sign of how characterless and disloyal he truly is. He and his family are just entitled brats. He wants radhika, didn't get her and somehow made that everyone else's problem. Vikram is her sister's toy whom nobody else can have and not even Vikram has any say in that.

At this point it doesn't matter whether he treats his marriage seriously or not, it's worse than arranged. He constantly disrespects ahana, and he is a loose character. Honestly I can't even compare him to abhay because forget about Piya, aryaman doesn't have that character. Abhay was willing to take the blame of Maya in front of everyone while actually helping her because he's that kinda person. You rooted for him. Yes, it's heart touching how much he loved Piya,BUT it's not the fact that Arya isn't in love w Ahana, but just how he lacks any quality at all. Love shove will happen over the time but you need the characters to have some common ground, respect for each other, audience needs to root for you... Arya lacks all that. Forget ahana/ananta he doesn't even treat his best friend whom he says is like a brother, right.

I understand your and one other fan's deep admiration for Abhay Raichand's character.I was and continue to be a fan of such an admirable ML character but the current realities also cannot be ignored here.

As I have stated before also the ML characters then were pure green flagged ML characters-they deeply respected and loved their women.Abhay himself was intuitive cunning and lovable-such qualities are absent now in today's ML characters and even if they are present they are found in the ML' of Fantasy Genre specially and even in some Saas Bahu serials like Jamai Raja with unique concepts.

Pratham aka Raanav was one such character of Bekaboo in today's times.He never shouted I Love you from the rooftops nor did chipkoo scenes with his mate Bela yet he was the knight in shining armour for her.

Inspite of being a demon he protected her constantly from external threats and even from his own family members.He took a stand for her and even died for her-a non toxic clever and logical ML character-in short rare ML character.

Raanav knew that Bela being the Fairy was a threat to his life yet he loved and protected her like his true queen even though Bela married him deceitfully.

RV from third gen Bhagya was also one such character till the CV's turned him into the classic dumb ML right after his wedding with Purvi.

As far as Aryamaan is concerned his character has scope for improvements.I was fine with him being a negative complex ML till Bharni's revelation bcoz then that would at least justify his toxic/evil acts.

The CV's can reduce his alcoholism and perhaps shift him into the role of a suave tycoon cracking business deals to expand his empire thus removing Radhika and her husband from his business empire.Aryamaan was even willing to pay the right price to his buddy Vikram for it.

I would like to see Aryamaan buy out Vikram's share and transform himself from an alcoholic tycoon to a ruthless suave tycoon.The whitewashing can be stopped and certain positive traits can be highlighted-like supporting Ahana in her arguments with Radhika or completing his unfinished research regarding the Suri intruders.

Toxic ML characters can be improved-look at SSO from Ishqbaaz or Raghav Rao from Mehndi Hai Rachne Waali.

Originally posted by: salta

He doesn't take the right stand. He takes convenient stands. Be it knowing ravish and ananta nature, yet believing his brother, or calling her luteri dulhan one day after his brother was caught with the minister's wife. He stalks his ex, roofies women and takes their videos and then sl$tshames them, it's not gathering proof. That's who he is as a character, as a person. He's the same guy who can manipulate and force his best friend into a relationship where he's not interested and gets mad at him for trynna live his own life. He's the guy who does not have any empathy for anyone else, it's very much clear the way he treats vikram. Imagine if Vikram made a joke about fking radhika in front of him.

And your last line... If ahana convinces him of ANYTHING then it is not giving ahana character or vulnerability, it's weakening her character. That's disgusting for a show like naagin. She doesn't need to prove anything, to him or the audience. It's his character which is fking filthy.

It's not a saas bahu show where the woman has to prove her worth by showing how good, how useful how doormat or pati worshipping patni she is. None of the naagin followed this theme. The thought of naagin proving anything to this bewda stalker feels like blasphemy.

Then you really need to watch the previous Naagin seasons then.Whether its Shivanya Shivangi or Bela those three Naagins had to convince their respective mates Ritik Rocky and Maahir regarding their revenge missions despite not being the guilty party.

Those three ML characters were non-toxic and loved their Naagin wives deeply.

This is not about supporting toxicity but presenting an alternative perspective-a lead ML character does not get replaced suddenly.

Those three Naagin characters were not doormats yet they had to prove their innocence-every serial needs right doses of emotional drama action and romance.It certainly cannot be a one way street.

Aryamaan's certain past or present acts are cetainly condemnable and needs to be criticized but there can be scope for improvements too.Negative characters like Shesha or even Vish in Naagin have redeemed themselves so I don't see why Aryamaan's character cannot be improved?

The N7 serial has been a vast improvement over the long running previous season N6 so far.Ahana is a much stronger and cunning Naagin compared to Pratha or Prathana.

Originally posted by: salta

Vikram baby... come on I'm cheering for you sm... Ho gayi dosti iss saanp ke saat now show him what you're made of. RUIN HIM. THE AUDACITY OF THIS BEWDA. Just don't ahana baby and you're free to do anything

Take suris money bring them on road.

Use that money to marry radhika then f her in Arya'office and send him pics

Get pinky pregnant and leave herwhy should Suri men have all the kameenapan wala fun.

I genuinely don't feel as bad as I do for anyone else( ahana lost everyone but ise khud ko ghanta farak padta hai... Didi wants to be wifey...chiiii). Bechara Vikram sochta hoga kya saanp pala Maine achha hota iss bewde ko delhi ke traffic mein mar jaane Diya hota.

Honestly, after the stunt Aryaman pulled on Vikram , I want him to drop one bomb on Suri house when everyone of them including all their children be it boys and girls are inside and then drop one on Aryaman's office building when it's night ,while trapping only Aryaman inside it. Bury him 100 meters underground under rubble so that he dies in panic. Just do whatever you want Vikram, we are with you and cheering you on. Just make sure to completely destroy Aryaman and everyone and everything he holds dear.

After reading all the posts why do I feel this time writers are using AI to write story for the season I mean they bhagaaod story line so fast like within 6 weeks leads got married and their love story hasn't even started yet and the ex has returned... I am unable to catch up after 4 episodes..

Why all this haste and for what? Do they want to wrap up this season before IPL or what??