Kyunki Saas Kabhi Bahu Thi 2: Episode Discussion Thread #9 - Page 7

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Producers make money from the ads too so…

So they don't mind if it cuts into the viewing time ? Because iski asar TRPs pe bhi ho rahe hain, haina?

Originally posted by: Zoya56

Ekta did blunder in casting for younger gen in kyonki. None of them are eye - pleasing whereas the same ekta took good looking and easy on eyes people like Namik ,eisha, kanika, sahil uppal in Nagin. Even Sideys and villains like Ravish in Nagin are good looking. Why so much discrepancy between two shows?

Now she’s casting using social media, before you were cast after audition, a tiring process of passing through various stages of the same before being shortlisted and still could get rejected. Casting directors were given briefings regarding the character and how they were being written so as to get the best possible person for the job.

For example, when Mohit Raina was cast as Mahadev they went through nearly 3000 people sending their pictures and demo reels. Mohit was cast because they felt like he would be perfect for the role but still called him for auditions to hear him perform as they wanted. They got his look tests done and had him do mock shoot for approval. All of this took them about a year! I understand the process was long because they were casting for the main lead of a big budget (at least per their budget) show of a new channel. But nowadays casting directors had become almost irrelevant be it for movies or TV shows. On TV they cast reality show stars or social media influencers, which sometimes can be one and the same thing. In movies it’s all about camps and connections. Mukesh Chhabra with Dhurandhar seems to have made them relevant again.

Point is that nowadays casting directors are not even trying hard even if they are appointed because they have either a limited budget or a brief that says that a known face is needed irrespective of what their talent or potential, let alone suitability for the role is.

Ergo, poor casting choices everywhere.

Originally posted by: The_Best

I love her too. Idc if she’s negative or positive. I like watching her

No no... I meant auntie - Ajab's mom. I love auntie for saying such a golden word. 🤣🤣🤣

Originally posted by: missFiesty_69

So they don't mind if it cuts into the viewing time ? Because iski asar TRPs pe bhi ho rahe hain, haina?

No, because if a show is popular it gets ads. Kyunki and other popular shows back then would air content anywhere from 17-22 minutes per episode in their 30 minutes slot. The rest of the duration was of course for ads. Because remember in these ad slots not all ads are paying the producers back. Ads of special events airing on the channel, other shows are also aired in this duration.

So say Kyunki’s runtime is 30 minutes. It airs a 23 minutes episode which means 7 minutes are reserved for ads. In these 7 minutes there are ads of any new show, current show of SP, any movie or special event they may air in the upcoming weeks, sometimes ads about social awareness of the government like for polio drops, etc. Say 2.5 minutes of those 7 minutes was for these ads so that leaves them a 4.5 minutes.

The entire revenue is earned from those 4.5 minutes of advertising. That’s 270 seconds worth of ads which means 27 slots of 10 seconds each sold at say 5 lakhs per slot.

That means per episode they earn a revenue of about 1,35,00,000. Of this approximately 55 - 60 percent goes back to the channel depending on the contract negotiations and the initial budget invested by the channel. This figure is different for each show and there’s no standard for this.

So say, Ekta makes 45 percent of this money. So her share is 60,75,000 per episode, and I know this sounds like a huge number but now comes the main part. From this money she’s supposed to pay all the actors, technicians, crew members, her production staff, rent for studio, any other expenses required for the shoot, costumes, makeup artists, equipment rent etc.

What remains is her personal income.

All this is for a regular episode we see, the likes of which are airing currently. If there are special episodes or say episodes which require them to shoot at a different location for which they need to travel be it domestically within India or abroad; she must get special budget sanctioned for the track by the channel to air that track. Only when they approve can she even dream of asking her writers of penning episodes which show her characters are travelling to say even Gujarat or Goa, literally neighbouring states for Mumbai… let alone travel abroad.

She would need to provide a list of actors, crew members necessary for this shoot. She would also need to send at least one or two people weeks if not months ahead to scout for locations in that particular area and get all the legal paperwork done to shoot there from the relevant authorities of that area.

If the channel is able to find a huge travel company to sponsor the track eg SOTC or partner with the tourism board of a particular country’s tourism ministry then they approve such things faster because they know they are already going to either get a sponsor before the track even airs, minimising their expenses or they’ll get highly subsidised rates for airfares to hotel stays and local transportation to promote tourism in a particular country from that country’s government itself. Not to mention that they will not give them a headache to grant permissions for shooting at specific spots.

So no, producers don’t mind longer breaks because that’s how they make money too, money they need to make the show, pay everyone involved and make some money for themselves as well.

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

No, because if a show is popular it gets ads. Kyunki and other popular shows back then would air content anywhere from 17-22 minutes per episode in their 30 minutes slot. The rest of the duration was of course for ads. Because remember in these ad slots not all ads are paying the producers back. Ads of special events airing on the channel, other shows are also aired in this duration.

So say Kyunki’s runtime is 30 minutes. It airs a 23 minutes episode which means 7 minutes are reserved for ads. In these 7 minutes there are ads of any new show, current show of SP, any movie or special event they may air in the upcoming weeks, sometimes ads about social awareness of the government like for polio drops, etc. Say 2.5 minutes of those 7 minutes was for these ads so that leaves them a 4.5 minutes.

The entire revenue is earned from those 4.5 minutes of advertising. That’s 270 seconds worth of ads which means 27 slots of 10 seconds each sold at say 5 lakhs per slot.

That means per episode they earn a revenue of about 1,35,00,000. Of this approximately 55 - 60 percent goes back to the channel depending on the contract negotiations and the initial budget invested by the channel. This figure is different for each show and there’s no standard for this.

So say, Ekta makes 45 percent of this money. So her share is 60,75,000 per episode, and I know this sounds like a huge number but now comes the main part. From this money she’s supposed to pay all the actors, technicians, crew members, her production staff, rent for studio, any other expenses required for the shoot, costumes, makeup artists, equipment rent etc.

What remains is her personal income.

All this is for a regular episode we see, the likes of which are airing currently. If there are special episodes or say episodes which require them to shoot at a different location for which they need to travel be it domestically within India or abroad; she must get special budget sanctioned for the track by the channel to air that track. Only when they approve can she even dream of asking her writers of penning episodes which show her characters are travelling to say even Gujarat or Goa, literally neighbouring states for Mumbai… let alone travel abroad.

She would need to provide a list of actors, crew members necessary for this shoot. She would also need to send at least one or two people weeks if not months ahead to scout for locations in that particular area and get all the legal paperwork done to shoot there from the relevant authorities of that area.

If the channel is able to find a huge travel company to sponsor the track eg SOTC or partner with the tourism board of a particular country’s tourism ministry then they approve such things faster because they know they are already going to either get a sponsor before the track even airs, minimising their expenses or they’ll get highly subsidised rates for airfares to hotel stays and local transportation to promote tourism in a particular country from that country’s government itself. Not to mention that they will not give them a headache to grant permissions for shooting at specific spots.

So no, producers don’t mind longer breaks because that’s how they make money too, money they need to make the show, pay everyone involved and make some money for themselves as well.

How do producers manage to run the show profitably ? It boggles my mind. And thank you for the detailed explanation, I never knew so much went behind the screens.

If they are utilising the 7 minutes alone, then it's valid. If they are cutting into the 23 minutes for more ads, then should it be a cause for concern ?

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

During Ganga’s episode they conveniently placed the blame for his inability to have an honest conversation with his family on Aarti and her brainwashing him against them.

The fact that Ganga was blameless but still could have suffered from the tag of a divorcee, especially as a young woman from an impoverished family didn’t even merit a single mention let alone an entire conversation between the family and Gautam. Crazily, later Ganga and Teesha were married off to Saahil and Gautam in joint ceremonies. Not one person said that it was absolutely weird and even considered that it could be highly offensive to Ganga.

Gautam was the elder son so ideally he should have been married first but in this instance they could have asked him to marry a few months later as Ganga’s marriage was their priority as she deserves an apology.

Gautam and Teesha could have married a few months later in a different ceremony, but no, Ganga and Teesha were made to share their mandaps like they were sisters or besties marrying two brothers of the same family too and it was 1 big happy celebration.

Gautam didn’t have Karan kidnapped but nearly killed. He had been attacked by goons with a knife in his stomach after they beat him up and ended up in the hospital on the day he was supposed to marry Damini. Then they blamed his actions on his grief of losing Teesha along with their unborn child and his hate for Mandira that now was transferrable and could be doled out to her son who too assumed that he had lost his mother, the only family he had then. It didn’t matter if Karan was innocent and had nothing to do with Teesha’s death. I don’t remember if we’re ever shown if even Mandira purposely collided her car with Gautam’s or was it a matter of sheer coincidence.

Had the tables been reversed and Teesha survived it would they have made her marry Karan via some demented and convoluted dumb plot as an act of revenge for Mandira, whether intentionally or involuntarily killing Gautam and probably their unborn child?

Would the family have accepted that and been fine? Would Karan Teesha have then just settled into a peaceful marriage by letting bygones be bygones?

I think we all know the answer.

IIRC Gautam had some goons abduct Karan while he was going for wedding and then himself went and married Damini..

later those goons brought to Karan the newspaper cutting about Gautam Damini marriage.

Karan realises it's something wrong so tries to escape it was then that goons attack him with knife in his stomach. not sure if that was on order of Gautam or if they did that by themselves.

still Karan manages to escape and falls down at some distance, it was then that Priyanka (it wasn't revealed she was Mandira by then) sees him and takes him to hospital.

My point is it was a proper criminal act by Gautam, who just did that because Karan's mom had been the cause his wife and unborn child's death as you said.. How can that even be justified but this entire thing wasn't even discussed. Tulsi never even told Gautam that what he did was wrong...

Ansh was a proper criminal, hence he deserved a moksh, but every other child of Tulsi was forgiven for whatever s/he did , why should Pari be an exception, she is much better than Gautam

About Teesha thing you have perfect example now

Mitali only insults Hritik and yet she isn't eligible for him despite bearing him a child (I know earlier she did unpardonable things but those happened years back, and wasn't against Hritik) but when Hritik had insulted Munni that doesn't disqualify him for being suitable to Munni

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Now she’s casting using social media, before you were cast after audition, a tiring process of passing through various stages of the same before being shortlisted and still could get rejected. Casting directors were given briefings regarding the character and how they were being written so as to get the best possible person for the job.

For example, when Mohit Raina was cast as Mahadev they went through nearly 3000 people sending their pictures and demo reels. Mohit was cast because they felt like he would be perfect for the role but still called him for auditions to hear him perform as they wanted. They got his look tests done and had him do mock shoot for approval. All of this took them about a year! I understand the process was long because they were casting for the main lead of a big budget (at least per their budget) show of a new channel. But nowadays casting directors had become almost irrelevant be it for movies or TV shows. On TV they cast reality show stars or social media influencers, which sometimes can be one and the same thing. In movies it’s all about camps and connections. Mukesh Chhabra with Dhurandhar seems to have made them relevant again.

Point is that nowadays casting directors are not even trying hard even if they are appointed because they have either a limited budget or a brief that says that a known face is needed irrespective of what their talent or potential, let alone suitability for the role is.

Ergo, poor casting choices everywhere.

Oh I remember this, they did the same for Star Plus's Mahabharat (2013). So much extensive auditions, even the music was planned, they shot the whole series away from Mumbai, in Umargum iirc.

Originally posted by: missFiesty_69

Oh I remember this, they did the same for Star Plus's Mahabharat (2013). So much extensive auditions, even the music was planned, they shot the whole series away from Mumbai, in Umargum iirc.

casting for BRC Mahabharata continued for 2 years

Originally posted by: missFiesty_69

How do producers manage to run the show profitably ? It boggles my mind. And thank you for the detailed explanation, I never knew so much went behind the screens.

If they are utilising the 7 minutes alone, then it's valid. If they are cutting into the 23 minutes for more ads, then should it be a cause for concern ?

They cut costs where they can. Get big actors charging more money only when needed. Include scenes with extras and smaller actors. They hire actors who are new who come cheap. Keep on using the same sets, accessories, clothes, whatever they can between all their shows. That’s why you see a side character of X show wearing something a main character did in Y show a few months later. They need to make sure these costumes, accessories are preserved well too and so must get them washed and stored properly in clean areas that remain devoid of any pests etc.

Now they use green screen, AI as well. Previously they kept people in the same location for as long as possible because that meant cutting down expenses too. Multiple locations require multiple crews to shoot at the same time too. So even if you shoot at 2 different locations aka 2 different studios and those studios could be beside each other or opposite to each other but you need 2 sets of crews to shoot because you can’t expect your directors and cameramen to run between two different locations with equipment like lights, cameras, trolleys etc. Even if they’re shooting in different shifts, you end up paying 2 sets of people.

That’s why most studios have some standard sets that can be rented by any PH - Mandirs; hospitals and the likes. They use stock footage wherever necessary, get BDs too.

The actress who played Prajakta in S1 also wrote on Instagram in a post before Kyunki aired this time around how she would carry her own clothes and makeup for shoots before the channel increased their budget and they got clothes, accessories etc. courtesy of them and could build green rooms to store these as well. How Kyunki literally was the first show to ever get that as well on Indian TV. Tells you a lot because this was literally just 25 years ago.

Originally posted by: missFiesty_69

Oh I remember this, they did the same for Star Plus's Mahabharat (2013). So much extensive auditions, even the music was planned, they shot the whole series away from Mumbai, in Umargum iirc.