The Clash Of Ideologies, Civilisations & Cultures - East V/S West. - Page 2

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Those indices are all tools.

What is their credibility? Who knows what their data size is? Does anyone know if they’re actually even talking with real people?

Can you compare the data sample of a country with the size of India and then compare it with say a country with the population size of say Maldives, Bhutan or Brunei?

Such indices also show India is one of the hungriest countries in the world whereas India provides free ration for its citizens and they can easily get it if they want. India is one of the biggest exporters of food. So I don’t buy their nonsense.

Also, how do you even measure happiness? What is the definition of happiness? Does happiness mean the same thing for everyone? How many people have they talked to? How often do they ask these people these questions? What is the authenticity of their data size? Which official government agencies in the world are endorsing their data? Which credible and eminent personalities from the field of mental health and human behaviour studies are associated with them?

Their data is as accurate and reliable as Mihir’s intelligence is.

happiness index was created by bhutan in 1960s

it was not created by any western country

bhutan king wanted to show that even though not rich or no facility his ppl are happy unlike what world thinks that material wealth is everything

even western country objected to these surveys when introduced(they do not believe even today in happiness index data by uno)

later uno took over in recent decades the survey

its done by uno agencys from last few decades

in statistics/maths it does not matter you are 1 crore like bhutan or 150 crore like india china or 40 crore like usa they extra polate the data (like they do vote survey, job survey, gdp surveys etc same methods)

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Those indices are all tools.

What is their credibility? Who knows what their data size is? Does anyone know if they’re actually even talking with real people?

Can you compare the data sample of a country with the size of India and then compare it with say a country with the population size of say Maldives, Bhutan or Brunei?

Such indices also show India is one of the hungriest countries in the world whereas India provides free ration for its citizens and they can easily get it if they want. India is one of the biggest exporters of food. So I don’t buy their nonsense.

Also, how do you even measure happiness? What is the definition of happiness? Does happiness mean the same thing for everyone? How many people have they talked to? How often do they ask these people these questions? What is the authenticity of their data size? Which official government agencies in the world are endorsing their data? Which credible and eminent personalities from the field of mental health and human behaviour studies are associated with them?

Their data is as accurate and reliable as Mihir’s intelligence is.

Happiness indexes use criteria like GDP per capita, social support, healthy life expectancy, freedom, generosity, and perceptions of corruption to measure happiness. Some indexes also include factors such as psychological well-being, education, and community vitality.

• you can read more by googling

The United States government formal policy that "opposes" the use of happiness index data. Instead, the U.S. and most Western countries primarily rely on traditional economic indicators like Gross Domestic Product (GDP) due to their established methodologies and practical uses for fiscal policy and resource allocation.

USA opposes does not believe in uno happiness index so does many western countrys

they think it has no authenticity and gdp is better measure of happiness and well being (per capita gdp)

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Originally posted by: myviewprem

although i disagree with kiran advice to mihir to divorce tulsi in show

i definitely feel kiran avdvice is better in real life

india is one of the most unhappy country in happines index

these so called western countries which have high divorce rates are way more happy in life than anyone in india

european countries, canada and even usa is way more happier humans than any indian or most asian countries in world

most indians and asians just act happy or ok in public inside their homes lot of abuse and voilence goes on

you ask any married woman - most will say in private husband abuses or hits even in 2025

the same cannot be said of european or usa married woman they wil not tolerate abuse for long and divorce and leave because their society is wayy more accepting of divroced woman and they have high finnacial freedom that indian and asian women do not have

only 23% indian women have jobs after finishing 10th std too forget uneducated women most are dependent on money for father or hubby or son etc all life as they do not get jobs

same way you ask any kid in private they will say they are hit and abused by parents

same cannot be said of europe, canada, usa etc

usa has way more voilence because ppl can buy guns like grocery

if india allowed ppl to buy guns like grocery may be we would be like usa only in voilence by kids

lot of anger and resentment is there inside ppl against family, parents, boss, siblings, spouse etc which they hide all life and swallow the pain in india and asia

western country you need not swallow such pain, abuse and live 50 years as someone wife or kid full life just to show happy family outside in public

USA is an extreme violent country because they allow guns to sell like grocery in shops not because they are individual society and all have freedom to live as per will

india and most asian countries are not even in top 100 happy countrys of world

If india or asians is so happy everyone would not be busy trying to get h1b visa to usa or residence ship to europe by hook or crook even by illegal means which are high in divorce rates

divorce rate are high does not mean country is bad its just that ppl do not want to live in unhappy marriages and kill each other fighting everyday of life making kids and their life helll like asian countries or where women compromise and face abuse everyday of married life just to keep a marriage official in public

Well said!

Unfortunately, many South Asian countries are predominantly male-dominated, resulting in oppressive and restricted lives for women 😑

Originally posted by: myviewprem

happiness index was created by bhutan in 1960s

it was not created by any western country

bhutan king wanted to show that even though not rich or no facility his ppl are happy unlike what world thinks that material wealth is everything

even western country objected to these surveys when introduced(they do not believe even today in happiness index data by uno)

later uno took over in recent decades the survey

its done by uno agencys from last few decades

in statistics/maths it does not matter you are 1 crore like bhutan or 150 crore like india china or 40 crore like usa they extra polate the data (like they do vote survey, job survey, gdp surveys etc same methods)

Bhutan as a country is small, it’s defence is dependent on India, even now. It’s by no means a country with enough weight in the geopolitical sphere to start an index of its own which would hold credibility and value even now, let alone back in the 1960s. No western nation on the planet would’ve ever allowed an Asian or an African country to even think they’re an authority who can judge them formally in print on any kind of subject whatsoever; let alone allowed them to conduct an survey in their own country with an open mind and a welcoming red carpet. Bhutan wouldn’t even have the kind of money required to conduct such a survey internationally back in the 1960s.

Bhutan was a front.

These indices are used primarily by the western media to prove their supremacy and dominance in everything over the rest of the world. As per such indices everything wrong in the world is in Asian and African countries while they are thriving.

But if these very indices are to be the parameters of judgement then they will be flipped by the next decade, just wait and watch. One currency will no longer control the whole world by the end of this decade.

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Happiness indexes use criteria like GDP per capita, social support, healthy life expectancy, freedom, generosity, and perceptions of corruption to measure happiness. Some indexes also include factors such as psychological well-being, education, and community vitality.

• you can read more by googling

The United States government formal policy that "opposes" the use of happiness index data. Instead, the U.S. and most Western countries primarily rely on traditional economic indicators like Gross Domestic Product (GDP) due to their established methodologies and practical uses for fiscal policy and resource allocation.

USA opposes does not believe in uno happiness index so does many western countrys

they think it has no authenticity and gdp is better measure of happiness and well being (per capita gdp)

Whatever indices are out there hold no relevance to the common man in any part of the world, they’re simply a tool created by a bunch of people who have been yapping for too long.

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Whatever indices are out there hold no relevance to the common man in any part of the world, they’re simply a tool created by a bunch of people who have been yapping for too long.

I disagree. If you're not happy with a relationship, break it. Western society is full of problems and issues, but they got this one correct.

Indians believe in showing off their 'perfect' lives, even if it's rotten inside. We promote the culture of staying forcibly in a marriage. It's not healthy. Relationships should be something to be cherished, not burdensome. Now, those NRIs who always insult Indians are idiots, for sure.

But should we be blind to our own faults?

Should we keep denying that we're imperfect and keep saying how 'great' our society is? When it's clearly not. We celebrate toxicity as love and sanskaar.

People are lectured on 'culture' every time they try to break their marriage. Elderly people getting married is frowned upon. We are extremely judgmental of anything and everything. We are forced to keep in touch with toxic relatives in the name of 'maintaining sanskaar'. There's nothing great about these, right? We are hypocrites and love to promote unrealistic ideals of greatness and sacrifice.

I also really liked that scene.

It’s kinda true and showed 2 totally contrast mindsets when it comes to marriages.

Both Kiran and Hemant raised some really valid points, good debate between the two.

Mihir idiot not saying anything when he should

That episode was actually good overall.

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

I disagree. If you're not happy with a relationship, break it. Western society is full of problems and issues, but they got this one correct.

Indians believe in showing off their 'perfect' lives, even if it's rotten inside. We promote the culture of staying forcibly in a marriage. It's not healthy. Relationships should be something to be cherished, not burdensome. Now, those NRIs who always insult Indians are idiots, for sure.

But should we be blind to our own faults?

Should we keep denying that we're imperfect and keep saying how 'great' our society is? When it's clearly not. We celebrate toxicity as love and sanskaar.

People are lectured on 'culture' every time they try to break their marriage. Elderly people getting married is frowned upon. We are extremely judgmental of anything and everything. We are forced to keep in touch with toxic relatives in the name of 'maintaining sanskaar'. There's nothing great about these, right? We are hypocrites and love to promote unrealistic ideals of greatness and sacrifice.

There’s nothing to show off here.

Relationships that are truly horrendous are not to be stayed in, absolutely. If you’re being abused, threatened, if your partner or in-laws are toxic to the point where they drive you to insanity, depression or suicidal thoughts, then absolutely go ahead and file for a divorce, a restraining order and get whatever help you need and require.

But I don’t believe in following the model of the Western society blindly completely because in their culture parents send off their children as soon as they’re 16 or so, at a time when kids need perhaps their most guidance, as children themselves they don’t much care about their old parents either. There are people in the western society whose own mothers have no idea who impregnated them with which child, there are men there who are just as bad as what an abusive Indian husband can be like.

Relationships are hard work, even when they’re by blood. That hard work can come in when you’re dealing with a parent, grandparent, sibling, uncle, aunt or niece. And the same courtesy must extend to the person with whom you create a family and have a child with after marrying them.

Indian society is not perfect but so isn’t western society.

Divorce as a concept is not something to glorify or demonise. It is a necessity in today’s society but it must be resorted to only when things are truly bad and not because your husband is balding or wife has gained weight or because you are having an affair with a younger junior at your office and now find yourself bored with your wife or husband of many years at home.

Westerners may seem advanced because they apparently have discovered the secret to no suffering but the truth is as long as you are alive and human you’re bound to suffer in some form or another. Western society today is on the verge of collapse and at a turning point where they’re being threatened by the very people they claimed to have brought in to rescue them.Look at what’s happening in Europe. How do you think they reached there? How did that happen? It didn’t just happen because of nasty, greedy politicians and stupid liberals but it happened because of the collapse of family as an institution.

Britain, the world’s most powerful empire at one point, the country that is the reason of 64 independence days around the world today is inching towards a civil war within its own borders. Why? Because of the collapse of families as an institution that also paved way for more and more asylum seekers that were brought in and settled in the country. Today, millions of young women and girls are victims of grooming gangs in their own homeland with no hope of justice owing to their lack of numbers on the streets. The reason why they were so easily preyed upon is also because they were defenceless and vulnerable owing to a lack of parental and familial support.

Just because they were able to divorce their spouses and cut ties with their families didn’t make the West as a collective a better deal and that’s exactly what we are about to witness in the future ahead of us.

Originally posted by: JustRandomGirl

I also really liked that scene.

It’s kinda true and showed 2 totally contrast mindsets when it comes to marriages.

Both Kiran and Hemant raised some really valid points, good debate between the two.

Mihir idiot not saying anything when he should

That episode was actually good overall.

Yep, followed up by Kiran admitting he now drinks because he’s lonely and it’s depressing.