GHKKPM Chat Club - Page 118

Originally posted by: missFiesty_69

Sorry couldn’t reply before.

Suffice it to say I disagree with every line of your post and if I started writing my disagreements, it would take quite some time and it’ll be a big wall of text. I’ll just address one issue that struck me the wrong way and keep it as succinct as possible.

For me progressive doesn't mean we neglect negative outcomes and long run case....Practically if seen we are learning all this from West, chalo who are they if I see America a developed nation- half of broken marriages, 40% illegitimate kids, suicidal rates of men at peak, more than 1 crore suffering DV at next scale with population not even 1/5th of ours, every 6th women gets r@ped, losing virginity in school would have slept with 10 before marriage etc etc....

You are worried about girls getting “corrupt” because they are sleeping with 10 men before marriage but aren’t addressing the fact that those ten men should also be deemed “corrupt” — matlab ladki soti hai toh woh sl*t, ladka toh kuch nahi ? The double standards is the problem.
The stats you keep referring to ? Those stats exist in India too! In India, couples often stay in toxic marriages to “save face,” cheat on each other in secret, and suffer silently because divorce is still taboo. That’s not something to feel morally superior about honestly.

Please don’t tell me US mein r!pe zyada hai. You know, I know how much gets underreporting goes on in the country because of “aurat ka izzat” which is funny because men not only violate a woman’s consent but also claim moral higher ground as if it was the fault of the woman. You and I both know how many cases are silenced, unreported, or dismissed. US mein people report the offence, the where the victims at least have a hope of getting justice. Yahan toh — we don’t even allow women to speak without blaming them.

In India still most of this are considered non sense.....we are poor/illiterate, lacking resources- underdeveloped nation....still core majboot hai atleast not normalised.... unfortunately a country from where those ppl learn the sanctity of relationships is getting influenced by such...

You are proud of the fact that even after 76 years of independence this country continues to be illiterate ? ( poor toh hum hai nahi — people are poor, politicians, businessmen, government, influential peeps are DEFINITELY NOT ) Poverty and lack of education are issues we should be working to eliminate — not using as proof that our “core is strong. You claim a holier than thou attitude towards US because they live their lives on their terms ? Sorry I don’t accept, not to mention it’s judgemental.

Just because we suffer silently doesn’t mean we’re more “pure.” It means we’ve normalised pain and control in the name of tradition.

I agree with all your points. But according to Ash bro, that we're saying this because we are a medium of a hidden agenda. That's surely a ridiculous accusation I've come across in a while. 😕

Originally posted by: missFiesty_69

Try watching Korean dramas — they are good or so I hear

I haven't watched any but I have heard this as well. Have you ever watched K-Dramas, V? I actually formed a dislike for them because of the stan culture in schools. 🤣

Originally posted by: Ashane25

It's rooted in every part of world where women were objectified....in France ig in 13 th century, men were allowed to beat their wives to death- do you believe....

That's why I like to differentiate between spiritual and to extent religious teachings than misogynistic contamination of cultures....

Sati pratha is a side effect of foreign invaders it's nowhere written in our puranas and Upanishads that a woman should also die after man....it was started by women as their men used to sacrifice their life and then they didn't want to be touched by those killers you can see padmavat case as well....Sanatan is one of those religion where Goddesses are given equal importance which is rare in others....

First of all, I want to say that I'm an atheist. If people think negatively about me because of that on this forum, I don't care at all. So, I don't want to bring any religious reference in my posts. Still, you've quoted my post and have brought religion in your comment, so I'll give a reply. Yes, I know that goddesses are treated with a lot of respect in India. But that respect is limited to goddesses only. Is that good? Bro, do you know the case of R.G.Kar hospital? Do you know how brutally a female doctor was molested and killed in Kolkata last year? That incident was so inhuman that a lot of people marched saying "we demand justice" for so many days. Do you think it's good that idols are treated with great respect and human beings (females) are treated so badly?

Even if Soti Daho Protha was brought by foreigner invaders, many, many Indians supported the practice in the past. Do you know the case of Roop Kanwar? She was a Rajput and she died at the age of 18. She was burnt alive after her husband's death in Rajasthan. The year was 1987 and there was no foreign invader at that time.

Originally posted by: Tanvi_vault

Starting tomorrow, I’m done watching both toxic Yeh Rishta and Ghum because the storylines have become too heavy and frustrating for me. I really need a break from all that drama. I’m hoping to find something new, fresh, and more uplifting to get into. If you know any good shows or series(any language)that are fun or inspiring please let me know.

Which show will you start watching tomorrow?

Originally posted by: Shirsha

First of all, I want to say that I'm an atheist. If people think negatively about me because of that on this forum, I don't care at all. So, I don't want to bring any religious reference in my posts. Still, you've quoted my post and have brought religion in your comment, so I'll give a reply. Yes, I know that goddesses are treated with a lot of respect in India. But that respect is limited to goddesses only. Is that good? Bro, do you know the case of R.G.Kar hospital? Do you know how brutally a female doctor was molested and killed in Kolkata last year? That incident was so inhuman that a lot of people marched saying "we demand justice" for so many days. Do you think it's good that idols are treated with great respect and human beings (females) are treated so badly?

Even if Soti Daho Protha was brought by foreigner invaders, many, many Indians supported the practice in the past. Do you know the case of Roop Kanwar? She was a Rajput and she died at the age of 18. She was burnt alive after her husband's death in Rajasthan. The year was 1987 and there was no foreign invader at that time.

I completely support you in this. I already said, women should be treated as humans first rather than gods and goddesses. There's absolutely no need for justifying crimes against certain sections just because they have been written in religious scriptures and are dictated by some "divinely ordained" code. There are no justifications for humiliation in cultures under the pretext of foreign invasions yada yada because those are absolutely unsubstantiated claims. Full stop.

Also, there's nothing negative about being an atheist at all, Shirsha. I am with you in this.

Originally posted by: ThaneOfElsinore

@B: Any sources? It's an unsubstantiated claim. As far as I have read interpretations of Manusmriti by its own followers, it's highly regressive and abusive towards women and marginalised castes. It has claims of Sati and other exploitative practices regarding women. Aur Ash bro, knowledge PhD level se pehle bhi aa sakti hai. Reading books on literature, history and economics does not depend upon age or experience. There was not really a need to undermine my views in your previous post just because I am a fresher.

@V: Arrey auraton bhagwaan mat banao yaar. Apne jaise kaabil insaanon ki tarah treat kariye, humein bahut accha lagega. 🙏🏻🙏🏻

Manusmriti is a debatable aspect just like constitution mein Ambedkar ji to improve the conditions of sc/st gave special reservations and all, still after a century even though a lot improved aaj tak wahi policies chal rhi hain which was actually valid for a particular period ig....so maybe such a maharishi wouldn't have written anything for no reason even Chanakya niti had a lot of misogynistic aspects....still it was India's glorious times....that's weird actually....

And yes you can check out other books best is Bhagwad Geeta it's an institute in itself but you need a spiritual guru for actually understanding its core meaning....warna bahut badi galti ho jaayegi aur it would be meaningless....

I am not undermining you Pavitra you said ki accept the facts or live in denial that's ok views differ but being a part of BA aur hardly 25 course books padhi hongi then claiming as some NET topper and DU mein HOD looked funny to me....main HCV and MS Chauhan 6th grade mein read karta tha but still I am max an intern and actually a student main qualification jab tak 30 ka naa ho jaaunga claim nhi karunga na....that's ok galat mat lena I consider you younger sis here....

Tanvi, I forgot to mention the British version of The Office for your TV show recommendations. You can also watch Extras and Downtown Abbey, although I've no idea where they're available. 😅 I like watching British dramas and comedy because of the witty and ironic scripts. Not to forget, I love they dry humour. If you wish to go for something like a deadpan roasting session, probably you should check out British dramas.

Originally posted by: ThaneOfElsinore

I agree with all your points. But according to Ash bro, that we're saying this because we are a medium of a hidden agenda. That's surely a ridiculous accusation I've come across in a while. 😕

Pavitra pls misinterpret mat karo listen....I mean by this it's not your fault aapke jariye koi teesri badi body apne motives clear kar rhe hain which you and many more aren't aware of subconsciously.....that's it main woh baatein kal karunga....

Originally posted by: Ashane25

Manusmriti is a debatable aspect just like constitution mein Ambedkar ji to improve the conditions of sc/st gave special reservations and all, still after a century even though a lot improved aaj tak wahi policies chal rhi hain which was actually valid for a particular period ig....so maybe such a maharishi wouldn't have written anything for no reason even Chanakya niti had a lot of misogynistic aspects....still it was India's glorious times....that's weird actually....

And yes you can check out other books best is Bhagwad Geeta it's an institute in itself but you need a spiritual guru for actually understanding it's core meaning....warna bahut badi galti ho jaayegi aur it would be meaningless....

I am not undermining you Pavitra you said ki accept the facts or live in denial that's ok views differ but being a part of BA aur hardly 25 course books padhi hongi then claiming as some NET topper and DU mein HOD looked funny to me....main HCV and MS Chauhan 6th grade mein read karta tha but still I am max an intern and actually a student main qualification jab tak 30 ka naa ho jaaunga claim nhi karunga na....that's ok galat mat lena I consider you younger sis here....

Reservation is totally different topic that requires a whole new forum in my opinion, given how many misconceptions surround it. Not because it's controversial/debatable and not needed but because many people feel it's not needed and that is definitely not the case. It has much more nuance and depth than most people think and debate, with full passion but no ground reality or facts.

Maine aisa kucch kaha toh nahi hai but main Delhi mein hi padhti hoon. So you can easily guess where as the answer is in your reply. Plus I have read all these books since I was a child because of my family. My father's a journalist and therefore, I've grown up reading heavy books, newspapers and complex articles regarding history and polity. I have also grown up around debates and discussions. So course books are not my only sources. That's why I said that I have read and am reading (present continuous) extensively about the topics we're discussing. Koi nahi, I just wanted to clarify all this.

Originally posted by: ThaneOfElsinore

Reservation is totally different topic that requires a whole new forum in my opinion, given how many misconceptions surround it. Not because it's controversial/debatable and not needed but because many people feel it's not needed and that is definitely not the case. It has much more nuance and depth than most people think and debate, with full passion but no ground reality or facts.

Maine aisa kucch kaha toh nahi hai but main Delhi mein hi padhti hoon. So you can easily guess where as the answer is in your reply. Plus I have read all these books since I was a child because of my family. My father's a journalist and therefore, I've grown up reading heavy books, newspapers and complex articles regarding history and polity. I have also grown up around debates and discussions. So course books are not my only sources. That's why I said that I have read and am reading (present continuous) extensively about the topics we're discussing. Koi nahi, I just wanted to clarify all this.

Ok ok maine jyaada seriously le liya shayad waise I said HOD...I didn't know you are from DU- north or south campus???

You were from science bg ig so ye cuet mein switch kaise manage hua sab...kitna tha 12th mein????

That's good to hear you didn't choose medical or arch. and followed what you were good and interested at, rare case hai ye....it needs guts to opt for BA especially in Indian family....

Baaki reservations mein I don't think so koi rocket science hai....maybe ho kabhi in short bta dena I like differing from my engineering and math's subjects.....