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Posted: 4 months ago

Originally posted by: ThaneOfElsinore

Actually, Bepannah on Colors was loosely inspired and copied from this Turkish drama and Ganja is copying the Indian version in turn, i.e. Bepannah. Although I do think Bepannah copied elements from the 1999 Hollywood film, Random Hearts where the leads fall for each other during the revelation of a similar affair of their respective spouses-cum-murder investigation. Kara Para Ask didn't have the love angle.

Ghum makers don't know about international television. That's the only thing I am 100℅ sure about them. Also the fact that they consume a certain illegal substance.

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Posted: 4 months ago

Originally posted by: Riddhi2Saini006

They CANNOT copy bepannah because of copyright issues. Colors tv has the rights for it and star can only remake shows from their channels and sister channels like Star Jalsha. Also the storyline of bepanah and the revamp in ghum are entirely different and that was visible since the first episode. In bepannah the ml already believed that his wife was cheating on him whereas in ghum rn both neil and savi trust their partners completely and are investigating to prove their partners' loyalties.

I haven't seen the Turkish drama or random hearts but having seen bepannah that was sold as a love story and investigation was a part of it and here rn love story for them is secondary and investigation part is what they're putting their focus on.

And I didn't say it earlier but having known people working in tv, it is extremely difficult to come up with a new concept because the schedule is so tight. Writers in tv industry have no personal lives of their own because there is an episode waiting to be shot every day. The reason they copy shows is because it gives them a fixed template which they can modify according to the public response. Also the reason people copy paste the same shows are because they're proven to be a hit and every episode a producer makes requires 5-6 lakhs so one would rather put money on a concept that has already succeeded rather than on something which might or might not work.

That's why the channels and the makers need to think differently. If they change their format and reduce the number of episodes it will be much better in my opinion. Korean shows have 16 episodes. Chinese shows have 40 or 50 episodes. On the other hand, Indian shows go on forever. Nobody knows when Yeh Rishta Kya Kehlata Hai will end. Channels can telecast the shows for 5 days instead for 7 days in a week. Or they can telecast a show on Monday for 1 hour and a different show on Tuesday for 1 hour. In this way, the makers and the writers will get much more time to think. I also believe the makers should determine the total number of episodes in their minds at the time of creating a show. What is the need to stretch a show for 14 or 15 years? Instead, they can create five or six shows one after another. They'll be able show different types of stories through those shows. Suppose, the makers of a family drama runs their show for 4 months and then those same makers creates a romantic thriller that runs for 3 months. It will add variety to ITV and the experience of the viewers will not be monotonous.

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Posted: 4 months ago

Originally posted by: Shirsha

That's why the channels and the makers need to think differently. If they change their format and reduce the number of episodes it will be much better in my opinion. Korean shows have 16 episodes. Chinese shows have 40 or 50 episodes. On the other hand, Indian shows go on forever. Nobody knows when Yeh Rishta Kya Kehlata Hai will end. Channels can telecast the shows for 5 days instead for 7 days in a week. Or they can telecast a show on Monday for 1 hour and a different show on Tuesday for 1 hour. In this way, the makers and the writers will get much more time to think. I also believe the makers should determine the total number of episodes in their minds at the time of creating a show. What is the need to stretch a show for 14 or 15 years? Instead, they can create five or six shows one after another. They'll be able show different types of stories through those shows. Suppose, the makers of a family drama runs their show for 4 months and then those same makers creates a romantic thriller that runs for 3 months. It will add variety to ITV and the experience of the viewers will not be monotonous.

The audience for Korean/Chinese shows is very different (atleast in India).

Secondly, if a tv show clicks it is a money making machine. Let's be honest no one wouldn't want to shut a show which is making good money just so they can explore creativity. TV doesn't work like that.

Thirdly, shows like yrkkh are still going on because they're fetching trps. Yrkkh has received multiple notices to go off air due to low trps in the 15 years but every time they see a boost in trp and the show doesn't go off air. Producers/channel would experiment with their existing shows who are still trp toppers instead of getting them off aired to bring a concept which no one knows would work or not.

All in all for us to wish for new shows with new ideas to come we need to have people who stop watching shows like kkb/yrkkh. Or start boosting the trps of shows we like by watching them on tv. Otherwise they would have the same faith as this gen of ghum had.

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Posted: 4 months ago

Originally posted by: Riddhi2Saini006

Even though Colors TV and Star Plus are both part of the JioStar umbrella following the Viacom18–Disney Star merger, that does NOT mean Star Plus can legally copy or remake shows originally created for Colors TV.


TV shows like Bepannah are protected under intellectual property rights. The rights to the story, characters, script, and other creative elements belong either to the original producers (in this case, Cinevistaas) or are bound by specific contracts made when the show was created.


Ownership under the same parent company (JioStar) does not nullify or override these rights. Unless the original producers agree and proper legal permissions are obtained, no other channel—even under the same corporate group—can copy or remake the show.


So no, Star Plus cannot simply “copy” Bepannah just because it’s part of JioStar. The merger doesn’t dissolve existing legal and creative boundaries.

Secondly, in the entertainment industry if you will watch any show/movie/webseries all of them somewhere or the other are loosely inspired from each other. There's no entertainment project that is solely unique.


Thirdly, I've been seeing your posts since last two weeks criticising the writers, and you have the full freedom to do so. Similarly having family members who write these shows and knowing how stressful the schedule is makes me want to put it out for you guys that how television provides so little scope for creativity that people have no option but to copy other premises.

Television Industry is a business just like any other industry and decisions are made only on financial basis, that's why I listed out the financial reason for copying premises.

Television Industry has time and again tried different storylines and formulae but they haven't worked for trp audiences. You, me or anyone who watches these shows online don't even make a fraction of what trps would come. Producers/writers/actors are making shows whether they're illogical/supernatural/don't make sense to you- for the audience that watches TV.

TV has never been the area where people are putting out shows for expanding creativity. It's like a government job where if your show clicks, it can work for years.

If you want to actually watch creative/unique stuff that's for OTT because you can put anything out there as there is an audience for everything.

Tl;dr- You cannot blame tv or people in the tv industry for trying to rehash already used plots if you cannot give them trps when they've tried new storylines.

Sorry to butt in, but because it doesn’t work, it doesn’t justify them going on a regressive spree for the heck of it. I understand that TV at the end of the day is business, and it should be a profitable venture but that definitely does not mean they stop exploring at all.

@green : just like how government and its officers don’t give a damn / do negligible little to improve the economy or the lives of the people who vote for them, Similarly, TV shows often do very little to actually improve the quality of content, all because “new doesn’t work”

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Posted: 4 months ago

Originally posted by: Riddhi2Saini006

The audience for Korean/Chinese shows is very different (atleast in India).

Secondly, if a tv show clicks it is a money making machine. Let's be honest no one wouldn't want to shut a show which is making good money just so they can explore creativity. TV doesn't work like that.

Thirdly, shows like yrkkh are still going on because they're fetching trps. Yrkkh has received multiple notices to go off air due to low trps in the 15 years but every time they see a boost in trp and the show doesn't go off air. Producers/channel would experiment with their existing shows who are still trp toppers instead of getting them off aired to bring a concept which no one knows would work or not.

All in all for us to wish for new shows with new ideas to come we need to have people who stop watching shows like kkb/yrkkh. Or start boosting the trps of shows we like by watching them on tv. Otherwise they would have the same faith as this gen of ghum had.

If they can't reduce the number of episodes they can at least telecast the episodes for 1 day in a week. And it's not something very new for Indian makers. When I was a kid a show featuring Sangita Ghosh used to get telecasted on Monday only and it became very popular. If the makers do that, they'll get plenty of time to think and use their creativity in a better way.

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Posted: 4 months ago

Originally posted by: Shirsha

If they can't reduce the number of episodes they can at least telecast the episodes for 1 day in a week. And it's not something very new for Indian makers. When I was a kid a show featuring Sangeeta Ghosh used to get telecasted on Monday only and it became very popular. If the makers do that, they'll get plenty of time to think and use their creativity in a better way.

Shirsha you are not getting my point. There are very few people in the industry who use creativity to make shows. For them the sole purpose of making a tv show is cash grab. I can't say for the sangeeta ghosh serial (I haven't seen it). But nowadays paychecks in tv are way more secured than in movies. So anyone with a good networth jumps in to make a show. The producers don't even sometimes know what is going on in their shows as they give full liberty to the writers to do whatever they want till the time they're making money

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Posted: 4 months ago

Well in Bepanah the spouses were not faithful but in Kara Para Ask that wasn't the case - there was a different type of crime involved that led to the murder of the leads' spouses which I suspect will happen here. I think Rajat got trapped by someone (likely his business partner who seems shady) and Tejaswini was collateral damage or was dragged into crime as she had been homeless and needed to make ends meet.

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Posted: 4 months ago

Originally posted by: Riddhi2Saini006

Shirsha you are not getting my point. There are very few people in the industry who use creativity to make shows. For them the sole purpose of making a tv show is cash grab. I can't say for the sangeeta ghosh serial (I haven't seen it). But nowadays paychecks in tv are way more secured than in movies. So anyone with a good networth jumps in to make a show. The producers don't even sometimes know what is going on in their shows as they give full liberty to the writers to do whatever they want till the time they're making money

No, I understand what you're saying. Even I didn't watch the show. I only know it became very popular at that time. The name of the show is Desh Mein Nikla Hoga Chand. In one of your posts you wrote that the writers don't get enough time to write properly and showcase their creativity because of their tight schedules. That's why I said it would be better if the channels telecast episodes for 1 day in a week. Then the writers will get a lot to time to think. Now you're saying the producers only think about money and don't care about creativity. Yes, that's true. But I wrote what I thought could be used to enhance creativity of the writers. Whether the makers will do something to make their shows more creative or not, that's a different story.

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Posted: 4 months ago

Originally posted by: Riddhi2Saini006

Even though Colors TV and Star Plus are both part of the JioStar umbrella following the Viacom18–Disney Star merger, that does NOT mean Star Plus can legally copy or remake shows originally created for Colors TV.


TV shows like Bepannah are protected under intellectual property rights. The rights to the story, characters, script, and other creative elements belong either to the original producers (in this case, Cinevistaas) or are bound by specific contracts made when the show was created.


Ownership under the same parent company (JioStar) does not nullify or override these rights. Unless the original producers agree and proper legal permissions are obtained, no other channel—even under the same corporate group—can copy or remake the show.


So no, Star Plus cannot simply “copy” Bepannah just because it’s part of JioStar. The merger doesn’t dissolve existing legal and creative boundaries.

Secondly, in the entertainment industry if you will watch any show/movie/webseries all of them somewhere or the other are loosely inspired from each other. There's no entertainment project that is solely unique.


Thirdly, I've been seeing your posts since last two weeks criticising the writers, and you have the full freedom to do so. Similarly having family members who write these shows and knowing how stressful the schedule is makes me want to put it out for you guys that how television provides so little scope for creativity that people have no option but to copy other premises.

Television Industry is a business just like any other industry and decisions are made only on financial basis, that's why I listed out the financial reason for copying premises.

Television Industry has time and again tried different storylines and formulae but they haven't worked for trp audiences. You, me or anyone who watches these shows online don't even make a fraction of what trps would come. Producers/writers/actors are making shows whether they're illogical/supernatural/don't make sense to you- for the audience that watches TV.

TV has never been the area where people are putting out shows for expanding creativity. It's like a government job where if your show clicks, it can work for years.

If you want to actually watch creative/unique stuff that's for OTT because you can put anything out there as there is an audience for everything.

Tl;dr- You cannot blame tv or people in the tv industry for trying to rehash already used plots if you cannot give them trps when they've tried new storylines.

About the legalities, you might be right. However, you must also note that copyright laws in India are one of the weakest and most exploited in our country's legal sphere. So even if the laws of "asking permissions" exist, it's a theory. In practice, most deals are done behind closed doors. It's highly likely that coming under the same media conglomerate would have some positive implications for the participating parties.

@Red: That's such a sweeping generalisation with absolutely no concrete evidence. While many creative works build upon existing tropes, themes, or even specific stories, it's highly improbable that every single entertainment project throughout history lacks any unique elements whatsoever. There are certainly works that are considered highly original and groundbreaking. Your term "loosely inspired" is vague and subjective. What constitutes "loose inspiration"? Copying complete taglines and scenes are also "loosely inspired"? How easy it is to discredit a person and multiple achievements, isn't it?

@Violet: I reiterate, my family is as connected to mass media as yours is. So I do know the financial pathways that force them to take such steps. I also repeat, your argument here is an appeal to pity and a pragmatic fallacy. By emphasizing the stressful schedules and lack of creative scope faced by writers due to the demands of television production, your argument attempts to evoke sympathy and understanding for the unethical practice of copying and plagiarism. While the industry's pressures are true, it doesn't logically justify or negate the act of copying itself. It tries to sway opinion through emotional appeal rather than logical reasoning about the act of copying.

@Green: You are also presenting a situation where the television industry must copy because new storylines don't get TRPs. This is a clear case of false dilemma: either copy and get TRPs, or be original and fail. You completely negating the possibility of finding genuinely new and engaging storylines that could be successful with a broader audience or different marketing strategies. There have been good shows in the past. Even right now, UKA is topping the charts. It's predictable and has conservative elements, but the audience is watching it. It's a remake too, but it's much better than the current shows. This shows that if written and marketed properly, better stories than what we have right now still have a chance. Your statements also overlook the potential innovative ways for online viewership to contribute value even if it doesn't directly translate to traditional TRPs.

Sorry to inform you, but you've probably missed out my edit part completely. If the TRP audience is left with no other choice than the stuff television churns out nowadays, they'll definitely not give ratings to the new storylines.

For example in a leaking water pipeline, unless there is a complete fixing of the pipeline system, the water will keep leaking somewhere or the other. Similarly on ITV, if we have regressive alternatives along with new stories (which has been the case always since TV became a mass media in India), people have the regressive option too. They'll naturally gravitate towards it since the audience is painfully orthodox in our country that's already plagued with societal biases, no matter how much progressively and pragmatically many of us might want to think.

What I am trying to imply is that if there are no such copied and backward options for the ITV audience, they'll simply switch to watching different stories. I call it "forced exposure" to newer content. You have completely missed my actual point and started covertly calling me out on my incapability to contribute to the TRPs, just because I criticised the existing system. Typical ad hominem fallacy.

So if you're critiquing me and other people for pointing out the obvious and most importantly, the ethics of professions, you should also probably know that television isn't repairing any of its current mechanisms. It's not even taking an active step towards any kind of betterment because it believes in band-aid solutions like almost all industries and institutions in our country.

It's clear that in a money-world, ethics take a back seat. It's clear that in neo-capitalist industries, there's no focus on the larger, more serious issues and the vision of future growth in the industry is severely hindered because of the continuous money minting processes.

Money is important, I agree. The problem lies in the fact that no one bothers to disturb the status-quo. Television producers and writers are getting what they want by these regressive shows. I am upset at the fact that rather than using an opportunity to gradually evolve the TV landscape, these money-minded vultures are exacerbating the situation to make more profits. And this is for all institutions right now in this land. But when we see public platforms, they are seen through an ethical lens, with a lot of accountability to the public because of whom they're printing notes. Just because you want money and ratings, doesn't mean you spread negativity, unscientific temperaments, irrationality on general entertainment channels and fake, sensational news on national media.

Riddhi, I understand your perspective but I find your arguments deeply flawed. I don't wish to bring this up, but putting down people because they rightfully criticise something is just, for the lack of a better word, unwarranted.

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Posted: 4 months ago

Originally posted by: Riddhi2Saini006

Shirsha you are not getting my point. There are very few people in the industry who use creativity to make shows. For them the sole purpose of making a tv show is cash grab. I can't say for the sangeeta ghosh serial (I haven't seen it). But nowadays paychecks in tv are way more secured than in movies. So anyone with a good networth jumps in to make a show. The producers don't even sometimes know what is going on in their shows as they give full liberty to the writers to do whatever they want till the time they're making money

@Bold: Sorry, but that is absolutely not true. Producers, channels and showrunners very much know what's happening on their projects. Television is literally for them. A writer's medium, yes, but the people I mentioned above (in bold of this reply) call the shots.

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