Qarz E Jaan (HUM) #4 - Usama, Nameer, Yumna | DT.N. Pg 136 - Page 139

Originally posted by: Sparkle232

I hope your wish of seeing ammar nashwa end game comes true as he is just a "grey" character

Unfortunately they won't get a happy ending even though I wish Ammar do end up getting a stability

There r many such Ammar in Asian subcontinent whom we call Ameer baap ka bigda Hua Ladka

But we don't address the fact why they became like this in first place

Here at least they showed rehab

Just the timing was wrong

It shouldn't have been the next day of the wedding

Anyways let's see how they show the redemption of Ammar

And I would love to see a light romance because like Ammar mom said i want Ammar to love his wife which his dad and uncle never did

Originally posted by: blahblah131

Is that a good thing, why are we so confused?. Is it because it's hard to predict the story or inconsistencies

I think the story will feel a little more consistent once the flashback reveals and the trial is over (maybe I'm being too hopeful).

I think we're forgetting this is also a crime thriller type of genre though not focused properly.

Lots of smoke screens and decoys.

The gun in the car was shown again and again and it appeared to tell the audience to believe a certain thing. But I felt it was just a distraction.

I can only imagine the reaction when and if (a very strong hunch) people see the person they think is the killer and the assaulter is not who it is supposed to be (I know of course any enabler aspect remains and needs the same consequences as the assauler for even creating the situation. I'd be more than disappointed if they gloss over it. Then the team should be bashed for using assault as a sub plot thrill. That wouldn't be okay).

Rabia will be ripped apart..by literally everyone next week. Because their mindset is rigid and its been months now. Some elasticity and flexibility is needed.

I have grown up watching thriller classics like momento prestige, shutter island, shinning, seven, usual suspect, old boy, gone girl, cape fear and many more. In these nothing is as it seems. These are rightfully masterpieces.. unfortunately, I have developed high expectations and taste though I know it's not always possible to deliver that level of entertainment.

I'll wait till the end for a verdict on how everything was handled. I'm giving them grace though I felt it was not at all okay to use the most heinous act as a decoy, thrill or anything else of that sort.

In some ways I do understand that the intention is of a shocking reveal and of having the audience put all the clues together but honestly come on. This is an audience that is very different from the genre I just mentioned. That is okay but then the writers need to be very careful with suspense and thrillers. The current audience of PTV who watch live on tv (majority) are not interested. Romance (dislike/enemy to lover) or marriage of convenience seem to be selling the most at this point.

Khaie on Geo was an exception (it still had issues). But I do acknowledge writers and producers need to do a better job.

And audience as well. Many of them will call MSM a brilliant writing piece where the main girl who was being blackmailed instead of telling her family who are supportive and having a good ml, decides she'll poison the blackmailer (he attempted to assault her) on the wedding night. Apparently that is thrilling but I guess I have to respect that audience.

The way barzakh was perceived made me sad but also totally understandable (the team didn't provide a warning that it's not a family watch). It was brilliant but also little preachy later on. I'm not saying my taste is superior. Not at all. All genres should exist and things like MSM are a fun watch. But this PTV audience while are getting much better at asking for accountability (sometimes disguised shippers) still probably are not ready for the thriller genre as a main stream product. But I believe we will get there.

Many unfortunately react very poorly to a variety of human emotions. Like Nashwa has shades and some of her actions while not heroic but rather human makes her now not a very likeable character to a certain group of audience. A very black and white one dimensional take at times. But I do concur that some of her dialogues are problematic given the information she has currently (pre trial).

People had complexes regarding Faryal but couldn't find faults in her. They like a strong woman but the woman shouldn't know her worth and value and she should never make mistakes or be selfish. Always has to sacrifice. Like only the meek Bisma is worthy of pity but not maybe a good hearted muh phat female lead. She cannot make mistakes or blunders but males get away with everything and more. It's too much.

Khair it's just my musing. I'm waiting to be surprised next weekend. I hope we get 5-6 more episodes.

Originally posted by: Sparkle232

Don't mind. Do you not know what crimes ammar did? Genuinely curious.

Apparently not guilty until proven, even though he was completely involved in drugging n dumping the girl. Apparently drugging n dumping the girl after she has been assaulted doesn't come under the category of crime, but should be called "enabler". Good heavens!! People want a redemption arc and are actually expecting "romance" of the criminal with FL!!

This forum never ceases to amaze me.

Originally posted by: nightingale1234

Apparently not guilty until proven, even though he was completely involved in drugging n dumping the girl. Apparently drugging n dumping the girl after she has been assaulted doesn't come under the category of crime, but should be called "enabler". Good heavens!! People want a redemption arc and are actually expecting "romance" of the criminal with FL!!

This forum never ceases to amaze me.

Unfortunately, I think this is what the writer is going for. Let's hope against hope, that is not the case.

No one treats him like a rapist in the story that means he didn't commit it from writer's perspective but the audience is still not aware. The writer is forgetting that he committed other crimes and that he thinks he was part of rape and is acting nonchalant. Audience isn't going to forget it

Originally posted by: blahblah131

Unfortunately, I think this is what the writer is going for. Let's hope against hope, that is not the case.

No one treats him like a rapist in the story that means he didn't commit it from writer's perspective but the audience is still not aware. The writer is forgetting that he committed other crimes and that he thinks he was part of rape and is acting nonchalant. Audience isn't going to forget it

This! Thank you for getting it and not judging when you know what I meant. Look I don't know about others but I definitely don't just want him to be " just an enabler" lol because I fancy a pair. There is nothing I fancy more than a good written piece of work. I have always said how enabling is always even worse than the person who does it. That's how it happens in the first place.

It is sad to see words interpreted as one taking it casually when I have perfectly explained it. Though it should not bother one, still a false claim always is unfair and unjust. I hope no one faces that.

I was talking from the writer's perspective and all the clues and behaviors she has dropped from her characters. It is not my wishful thinking. It is my logical deduction. In order for all the behaviors to make sense they have to show certain things.

Though Nashwa's casual behavior, as I have stated above is still odd, as she unlike the writer doesn't know what is the whole truth yet.

Also, like I said people will most likely not accept what Rabia shows even though this is what she has planned, hinted, set up and has already filmed. One really needs to be a little more fluid in the heart and soul and a little less arrogant. I do feel bad for her because all the people will claim they could have written the whole play and the crux better and to them I say maybe...maybe or actually write your own and make people like it. Most will be unable to take any criticism unfortunately. We're human after all. The team does react. From what I could tell Saqib was not happy with a certain lot or type. I could interpret that from his stories.

There is this odd behavior when a writer clearly states how she wrote or meant things and there is a set of audience who will superimpose their version on it. I get it but we also need to do better. We can ask them to do better next time and explain to them that we do not like decoys and shock factors as baits while using serious matters but we do not have the authority to make up things and interpret unambiguous things which were clearly explained by making our own version up and telling the writer to do that.

I must say some people came up with better ideas than what was shown. Of course creativity is important and I often see people come up with more stable consistent character arc and plotlines than shown.

And I will stand on my stance because it is just, it's logical and it is a balanced take and not a fully emotional one. If I am wrong that is okay. No shame in being wrong. It is really hard to share this stance in a space like this where my thinking is not in minority but rather that of a lone wolf but this is what I feel. But again this thread is mostly respectful and we can agree to disagree...I hope at least.

Khair, Jo bhi ho, see you all Sunday. Hopefully they'll be two good episodes once again. Looking ahead for some answers.

Originally posted by: nightingale1234

Apparently not guilty until proven, even though he was completely involved in drugging n dumping the girl. Apparently drugging n dumping the girl after she has been assaulted doesn't come under the category of crime, but should be called "enabler". Good heavens!! People want a redemption arc and are actually expecting "romance" of the criminal with FL!!

This forum never ceases to amaze me.

I am even afraid to express this because then I will get labelled as either usama fan or shipper.

I don't know who to blame more for this. The people who can look past the crimes of a potential rapist because the actor is attractive or the makers who gave eloborarate justification dialogues for that character through their fl ( it doesn't matter whether it was part of her plan or not).

I literally made a ship name for ammar nashwa at beginning. But the moment they showed him doing that to maheen, I dropped that. Because a rapist doesn't even comes under human category to me. Let alone grey or black.

Honestly I am no more liking any positive character right now. Those characters are not root worthy for me. I am just looking forward to see whether the criminals will get satisfying punishment or not. But irrespective of the end, the show intentionally/unintentionally glorified a criminal. It is a sad thing.

This show promoted as mother daughter relationship centric. But I couldn't understand bisma character. She is the most inconsistent character in the show.

First she had breakdown knowing her daughter is to be married in barkat villa.

But when she got married to asim. She just left her daughter alone in that home. When she knows that family is still keen on her daughter's marriage with their son. When she knew they might make her do household chores like she used to do. Still she left her.

When she got to know burhan likes her daughter. She still wanted him to say yes to faryal.

She got so angry when she got to know her daughter married ammar. I expected her to drag her daughter to asim's place. But again she left her daughter to proceed with her first night preparation.

We are being told through nashwa's dialogues that bisma became confident now. But in the next episode we see her begging barkat villa people and giving up.

Is she that gullible or innocent that her daughter says she can handle her criminal husband, she can fix him and she got convinced?

Then she advices burhan to forget her daughter. Fair enough. But why there isn't a single scene that time where she atleast had a monologue worrying about her daughter.

https://youtu.be/i7nWpD5wVQA?si=o1QUqYRnENE2vNu-

really good review of Qej by SH. Amna nailed it, i totally agree with her every word. she really gets it

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGISvZTSnKv/?igsh=MWFwNW1tYXlrbWJoMw==

Which epi was this scene

https://x.com/zee_t97/status/1910012352298377425?t=3RQkuHoR57F5nC2pK1pEDw&s=19