Music is subjective!! - Page 2

Originally posted by: mad_cap

There are no established rules or standards by which music is composed. What makes a thing objective is that by its very nature, it must adhere to certain standards or certain logic in order for that thing to be considered what it is. A triangle must, by its very definition, be a polygon with three connected sides whose internal angles add up to 180 degrees. Anything else, and the object would no longer be a triangle, by its very definition. Music, on the other hand, has no such logic or standards. There is no logical definition of music, such that a breach of that logic renders the output something other than music. Therefore, no objective standard exists for the composition or development of music.

Just as music has no logical definition to adhere to, neither can value judgments of music be objectified. There is no standard on which musical value is based. The value of music arises from a completely subjective and internal system -- the inspiration gained from a particular piece of music. Inspiration, by definition, is a subjective element of appreciation. If the subjective is the criteria for valuing music, then no objective value judgments could ever be made.

From these points we clearly see that the creation and appreciation of music is subjective in nature. The individual person makes, consciously or subconsciously, a set of fluctuating criteria by which they internally judge the worth of a selection of music. Some people like Mozart, others don't. Some like Boulez, others don't. This is not a contradiction; it is the recognition that both people are justified in their liking. One has no justification dictating to another what music she should appreciate or find inspiring.

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was a very intelligent and thoughtful post. agree with u copmpletely both mini and serialbuff.

Madcap, very well said , the things which are established by rules or standards shall indeed meet the parameteres as defined to make it a scientific rule or else it would be just like matter with no shape, size, weight, further to add to your example of triangle, they are based on well proven logic and implemented in every essence of things.to appreciate somethings you need to understand the gravity of that, unless you are aware and appreciate, your knowledge would be insufficent to give a valued opinion, evaluation of facts and then making a opinion is what makes sense, i agree without nothing can be dictated to anyone for everyone has his or her orientation or grooming based on which he reacts.

i dont understand the connection between maths n music. 😕

i agree nobody can dictate their choice on u. but a little guidance by the learned ones wont go amiss.

👏 👏 👍🏼 for mink, serialbuff and madcap .it could'nt have been said in a better way.I was itching to write about it myself since yesterday i read a post about music being objective and like maths 😆 😆 .You have just said it perfectly.To me good music is what I can enjoy and which can soothe me.Why don't people understand this simple thing that u can't force ur choice on others instead of giving big lectures on music and maths.
Again 👍🏼 for all 3 of you for putting it out so beautifully 👏 👏 👏

In any given field there is always room for discussions, for improvements which can be brought about thru objective or subjective analysis and music is no exception. Taste buds differ every second household.

Originally posted by: Kay Kay

In any given field there is always room for discussions, for improvements which can be brought about thru objective or subjective analysis and music is no exception. Taste buds differ every second household.

Exactly and it is unfair to call others who don't agree with ur kind of music fools and ignorant like people do when their favorites don't win.

beautifully put, mink and mad_cap 👏

absolutely, music is subjective, as any art should be. Like i've said in another post, this world wud be an exceedingly boring place is we all thought alike!

I'll give u an example. My bro and I have grown up in the sam house. Both of us love music. There are lots of ppl who appreciate any kind of music. But in our case, we are passionate about totally different kinds of music. I learnt Indian classical and he learnt western classical and jazz. U ask him to listen to a ghazal, he'd be bored to death, and u ask me to listen to jazz, i wudn't enjoy it at all. What I'm trying to say is,even if ur a musc lover, its not necessary that u wud like any kind of music, or the voice of just anyone who sings well. To each his/her own!!

By all means, listen to what u like. I like to listen to stuff that can touch my soul, and I ignore stuff that doesn't. If you don't like particular songs or singers, well then just don't listen to them! Its a free country, excercise ur freedom of choice. Critical posts are great, if written in a logical and objective way. No point coming up again and again with Fake IDs and abusive posts just cos u don't like the fact that the person who won wasn't ur favourite. Any one who has a true feel for music wud respect and appreciate diversity.

I thank all of you for your point of view which is not very different from mine. And all of you have done wonderful job of explaining it well. So we all agree that music is made objectively but liking it is subjective! I like a lot of different kinds of music both simple and complex. I just don't make my musical the measurement of objectivity or anyone else's. 😃 😉