Jhanak Written Update And Episode Discussion thread No 90. - Page 137

Originally posted by: sanfan

Dibya shock shock bolke Abhi kuch bhi shock nahin lagta… Ani jaaye ya na jaaye kuch bhi shock nahin lagta

Ani jakar Kaunsa uska Bhala hoga?

Ani nahin jaaye toh kaunsa woh aabad hoga?

Nothing matters anymore after killing the essence of the story..

Another beautiful view point...well summarized..they killed essense of story ...Ab Ani peeche jaaye ya naa jaaye doesn't matter anymore..us bechare ka off switch nahi hai ...wo dil ke hatho majboor hai ..nahi dekh payega jhanak ka dukh .na nafrat kar payega ...Runaak can never be revived till something can change from jhanak side ...Till she realises what Ani has done for her till now..after she lost her mother..he has played role of earnest caregiver for her...has fed her ...has kept her alive safe ..prevented her from violation from Tejas jo usne pura prabandh kar liya tha...risked his life for her several times ..did so much to lay foundation for all her future udaans...tried to motivate her to ignore all insults as noise and focus on her goal..exam dilaya.. . relentlessly pushed her to grow in career....all this while getting MU..CA for it...that cost him his everything..till jhaank realizes what all he has done for her...not club it in generic ehsaan club jisme wo chhoton bado maa AK sabko daal deti hai. Its futile...till Ani runs after her and she kicks him away..there is no point of Runaak

Originally posted by: PPak

But this is what I dont understand. According to Ani his whole majboori was leaving Arhsi and marrying J to protect her. If Adi does not tell her abt this reason, how will she know her life is in danger? Did tell her this independent of Ani's intent?

J forced Ani to get married? Is he not an adult? Where are his convictions. It seems to me, Ani must have realized he was in a bind, J was not willing to forgive him, and his sense of zimmedhari towards Arshi, forced him to make the decision. J was just standing on the side speaking - full of her own importance. Pls I hope Ani did not marry Arshi because J told him to. That would make him less of a man.

Also now he is married to Arshi, whether J lives or dies no longer matters, thats why he does not want to reveal his intent? Strange show. Either logic is appalling or I am just not getting it. Nothing makes any sense anymore.

Priya… what I find very strange in this whole thing is Leena made Jhanak super crazed about an alleged physical relationship of her beloved with her sister… Wheh there is a duality… there is a greyness that one treads …Jhanak spoke of Amar prem which I understood to be hollow given all her posturing but this was a Jhanak who spoke of Amar Prem with the super confidence of not only Amar prem of her boundaries but Sirjee’s too!! So when that confidence broke.. I expected shattering of illusions but this way!! Ki jaake Shaadi Kara do… She was imposing her will on Sirjee..Punishing him for crossing the Rekha!! Vedi Mulgi where did your confidence come from that you lost it this badly? Lost it badly tho lost it, why did you think you own him still? Or that he owed her anything? Yeh confidence ka koi jawab nahin!! Yeh characterisation expedient nahin toh kya hain?

As for Ani…he is exactly where he was post Aag except that this time his heart is fully engaged ( though broken) by J. The collateral damage was Arshi then.. he recognises it is J this time but he has no way to reach her anymore.. Her walls are up in way they can’t be scaled..He has given up!! Ofc the part of not asking Adi to say the truth is an expedient way but is haal main J kya hi sunti!!!

Originally posted by: Neerasi29

Another beautiful view point...well summarized..they killed essense of story ...Ab Ani peeche jaaye ya naa jaaye doesn't matter anymore..us bechare ka off switch nahi hai ...wo dil ke hatho majboor hai ..nahi dekh payega jhanak ka dukh .na nafrat kar payega ...Runaak can never be revived till something can change from jhanak side ...Till she realises what Ani has done for her till now..after she lost her mother..he has played role of earnest caregiver for her...has fed her ...has kept her alive safe ..prevented her from violation from Tejas jo usne pura prabandh kar liya tha...risked his life for her several times ..did so much to lay foundation for all her future udaans...tried to motivate her to ignore all insults as noise and focus on her goal..exam dilaya.. . relentlessly pushed her to grow in career....all this while getting MU..CA for it...that cost him his everything..till jhaank realizes what all he has done for her...not club it in generic ehsaan club jisme wo chhoton bado maa AK sabko daal deti hai. Its futile...till Ani runs after her and she kicks him away..there is no point of Runaak

Viewers are not taking what J says seriously. We are all saying what we think J should do. If J deviated from her core principle without reason I would criticize her. Here she is standing true to what she always held #1 - I will not ruin my sisters life no matter what consequence to me or the man I love. For her love for Ani is second to her core principle - has always been.

She is occasionally able to re-consider her stance when Ani is hurt by Arshi or when she feels the marriage is irredeemable, but she needs to see it. She does not trust Ani, just as Ani does not trust her. As J sees it - its clear Arshi is pregnant with Ani's child, and she does not think something like that can happen without the relationship having some substance. And she has history of Ani treating her shabbily while she announced her pregnancy, so she has doubts. Then to hear Ani lied to her abt his illness without the relevance of why he did it. J is ding what she believes to be the right thing. Ani made the choice to marry Arshi and also now Arshi is carrying his child. Are we saying J should stand by Ani and marry him? Her telling Ani what to do is atrocious - I agree. I hate the way she asserts her rights on him, while giving him none to her. But Ani needs to start using his own brain as well. For J to agree to marry Ani - she first needs to trust that Ani was deceived. What hint did Ani give to J that he was deceived? As per what I heard - it was all in his head. Per J he slept with Arshi when he was drunk. Its not wrong to ask a man to own his mistakes and pay for them.

Just like Ani is operating without knowing Arshi scammed him, so is J. The man just CA her a week ago when he thought she asked Adi to come and marry her, like she has no right to. Now she finds he lied to her abt his disease and also has an active physical relationship with Arshi while telling her they dont have one. Plus entire BH incluing Jethu, Vinayak, Bodoma is against Runak. I would have walked away too feeling duped. This whole J bashing is beyond me.

Originally posted by: sanfan

Priya… what I find very strange in this whole thing is Leena made Jhanak super crazed about an alleged physical relationship of her beloved with her sister… Wheh there is a duality… there is a greyness that one treads …Jhanak spoke of Amar prem which I understood to be hollow given all her posturing but this was a Jhanak who spoke of Amar Prem with the super confidence of not only Amar prem of her boundaries but Sirjee’s too!! So when that confidence broke.. I expected shattering of illusions but this way!! Ki jaake Shaadi Kara do… She was imposing her will on Sirjee..Punishing him for crossing the Rekha!! Vedi Mulgi where did your confidence come from that you lost it this badly? Lost it badly tho lost it, why did you think you own him still? Or that he owed her anything? Yeh confidence ka koi jawab nahin!! Yeh characterisation expedient nahin toh kya hain?

As for Ani…he is exactly where he was post Aag except that this time his heart is fully engaged ( though broken) by J. The collateral damage was Arshi then.. he recognises it is J this time but he has no way to reach her anymore.. Her walls are up in way they can’t be scaled..He has given up!! Ofc the part of not asking Adi to say the truth is an expedient way but is haal main J kya hi sunti!!!

Rekha you are not seeing it the way I am.

J is not feeling betrayed that he slept with Arshi on a personal level. She is feeling betrayed because Ani lied to her that the relationship she did not want to break, did not exist, when it seems to have had enough engagement in the physical sense. For her to agree to marry him, a key element was that Ani Arshi could not come together. It's not jealousy at play here, its his deception as she sees it, in keeping the truth of his relationship from her, in order to get her. Her dialog - one cannot engage in the physical act if one was not emotionally involved or something like that...

Neither are in love with eo.

Originally posted by: PPak

Rekha you are not seeing it the way I am.

J is not feeling betrayed that he slept with Arshi on a personal level. She is feeling betrayed because Ani lied to her that the relationship she did not want to break, did not exist, when it seems to have had enough engagement in the physical sense. For her to agree to marry him, a key element was that Ani Arshi could not come together. It's not jealousy at play here, its his deception as she sees it, in keeping the truth of his relationship from her, in order to get her. Her dialog - one cannot engage in the physical act if one was not emotionally involved or something like that...

Neither are in love with eo.

Chalo yehi sahi..I get what you are pointing at but still it boils down to the physical relationship only. You are saying it one way and I am saying it another way.. you are keeping her at a higher moral ground in the posturing I am bringing her down a few notches cos I always felt her moral dilemma was two faced… You cannot strictly say that she would have accepted the physical relationship when she was acting confident she knew it didn’t exist.. yeh kya baat hui?

Leena never showed her as super Tyagi ever which is fine.. I found that layer quite interesting.. I always saw it will break one day… but I couldn’t predict the way.. the shattering of illlusions could have been more nuanced is my point..

Originally posted by: sanfan

Priya… what I find very strange in this whole thing is Leena made Jhanak super crazed about an alleged physical relationship of her beloved with her sister… Wheh there is a duality… there is a greyness that one treads …Jhanak spoke of Amar prem which I understood to be hollow given all her posturing but this was a Jhanak who spoke of Amar Prem with the super confidence of not only Amar prem of her boundaries but Sirjee’s too!! So when that confidence broke.. I expected shattering of illusions but this way!! Ki jaake Shaadi Kara do… She was imposing her will on Sirjee..Punishing him for crossing the Rekha!! Vedi Mulgi where did your confidence come from that you lost it this badly? Lost it badly tho lost it, why did you think you own him still? Or that he owed her anything? Yeh confidence ka koi jawab nahin!! Yeh characterisation expedient nahin toh kya hain?

As for Ani…he is exactly where he was post Aag except that this time his heart is fully engaged ( though broken) by J. The collateral damage was Arshi then.. he recognises it is J this time but he has no way to reach her anymore.. Her walls are up in way they can’t be scaled..He has given up!! Ofc the part of not asking Adi to say the truth is an expedient way but is haal main J kya hi sunti!!!

Ani I'm unable to understand. Rushing to ask Arshi to stay, to marry Arshi every time he is pushed into it, when he knows what he went through to get her out of his life, when he has said its not the first time this has happened. It can only signify that she is not as unbearable to him as he has claimed. A sensible man who has understood he cannot live with a person, will never so easily agree to marry. He said marrying J is his majboori and you are telling me J is forcing him to marry Arshi?

Per the story Ani loves J, but would never have asked Arshi to leave if J was not in danger. Now his kaand has surfaced and J is asking him to marry Arshi to do right by her, and J's danger is still there, his love for her is still there, so why marry Arshi? Because J told him to - pls. Makes Ani look like an idiot and dual not J.

If Ani had said, thanks for your advise J, but I know whats good for me. I'll take care of Arshi's baby, acknowledge it as my own, but I draw the line at marriage, then I can respect him. Saying poor Ani J forced him to marry Arshi or he on an emotional low married her - making the same mistake a second time - the man deserves bashing more than J.

Originally posted by: sanfan

Chalo yehi sahi..I get what you are pointing at but still it boils down to the physical relationship only. You are saying it one way and I am saying it another way.. you are keeping her at a higher moral ground in the posturing I am bringing her down a few notches cos I always felt her moral dilemma was two faced… You cannot strictly say that she would have accepted the physical relationship when she was acting confident she knew it didn’t exist.. yeh kya baat hui?

Leena never showed her as super Tyagi ever which is fine.. I found that layer quite interesting.. I always saw it will break one day… but I couldn’t predict the way.. the shattering of illlusions could have been more nuanced is my point..

I agree - Leena came at this with a sledge hammer. I suspect its because of the trp fall.

Honestly I do believe they were going with Runak marriage and Ani Arshi baby, Lalon taking BH, Ani's sis wedding, Appu di bar track etc - torture and CA of J. But trp fell badly, to do a leap they cannot have Runak together. They needed a stop point where they could have a fresh start wo having the leads together. They could have done it without Ani Arshi marriage but then Leena is a sadist and I also wonder if Arshi pulled her weight here.

I'm hearing Arshi will die post leap. If thats the case then they likely did not want to end her off as someone wronged by ML or FL. They also need an impetus for J to become a celebrity. They cannot do that with her at BH and Ani nurturing her career. Leena cannt write such nice tracks.

I hope they make baby a lie - make it Arshi's ploy for revenge and also keep Ani and Arshi stuck in a relationship without any substance or physical interaction. That may help a new Runak start. Ani Arshi baby bringing Runak toegther is so tacky I cannot tell you - I have no interest in it. India Forums is usually releiable - so its likely true

Originally posted by: PPak

Viewers are not taking what J says seriously. We are all saying what we think J should do. If J deviated from her core principle without reason I would criticize her. Here she is standing true to what she always held #1 - I will not ruin my sisters life no matter what consequence to me or the man I love. For her love for Ani is second to her core principle - has always been.

She is occasionally able to re-consider her stance when Ani is hurt by Arshi or when she feels the marriage is irredeemable, but she needs to see it. She does not trust Ani, just as Ani does not trust her. As J sees it - its clear Arshi is pregnant with Ani's child, and she does not think something like that can happen without the relationship having some substance. And she has history of Ani treating her shabbily while she announced her pregnancy, so she has doubts. Then to hear Ani lied to her abt his illness without the relevance of why he did it. J is ding what she believes to be the right thing. Ani made the choice to marry Arshi and also now Arshi is carrying his child. Are we saying J should stand by Ani and marry him? Her telling Ani what to do is atrocious - I agree. I hate the way she asserts her rights on him, while giving him none to her. But Ani needs to start using his own brain as well. For J to agree to marry Ani - she first needs to trust that Ani was deceived. What hint did Ani give to J that he was deceived? As per what I heard - it was all in his head. Per J he slept with Arshi when he was drunk. Its not wrong to ask a man to own his mistakes and pay for them.

Just like Ani is operating without knowing Arshi scammed him, so is J. The man just CA her a week ago when he thought she asked Adi to come and marry her, like she has no right to. Now she finds he lied to her abt his disease and also has an active physical relationship with Arshi while telling her they dont have one. Plus entire BH incluing Jethu, Vinayak, Bodoma is against Runak. I would have walked away too feeling duped. This whole J bashing is beyond me.

I respect your view point on jhanak ..everyone relates to some character more...I could relate to jhanak till kashmir night ..her dilemmas and everything..but writers have failed to do justice to jhaank as well..sadly coz of what all they shown in last 200 episodes i can't relate to jhaank anymore ..but that's just me ..

I am combining all bold points here...her core principles..unfortunately don't come across well..i would believe that if only she had not given Ani mixed signals and didn't come back to him again and again...she has also kept that zone gray which Included sleeping with him ..calling him her husband and pushing him away at her convenience...dreaming of him..so she has also been culprit of whatever threesome situation story is in...

She unfortunately comes across as person who can switch off easily from people who love her...my main deal with her was when she lied about her death and didn't even apologize for it ...giving someone pain of your death and shrugging it off like no big deal and not having basic decency to apologise for pain caused she should not be too judgemental she was lied to...

Whatever news she came across . She barely felt need to hear Anis side before taking decision to subject him to loveless life. That wasn't her decision to make..Ani isn't her property to give to someone and take away at will ..he is human being with emotions

When she wanted her sisters happiness why is she expecting Ani to be loyal to her and both didi living a platonic life as a room mate..when she was willing to take him as object to repair and return to Arshi anyway after he got well..if he is having a kid none of her business ..she was leaving anyway right ...so why feel cheated ..why expect loyalty from your sisters husband..if she had to cancel marriage and leave she should have..she had no entitlement to decide he should marry Arshi ..that wasn't her decision to make

Issue is both Ani and jhaank have their own set of flaws but story is absolutely written to make sure three some keeps going but character point of view I find Ani more honest with his flaws and jhanak hides behind fake morality..anyhow story is being written from PL point of view so maker don't care how their leads look like that's only my own person view point

Originally posted by: Neerasi29

Another beautiful view point...well summarized..they killed essense of story ...Ab Ani peeche jaaye ya naa jaaye doesn't matter anymore..us bechare ka off switch nahi hai ...wo dil ke hatho majboor hai ..nahi dekh payega jhanak ka dukh .na nafrat kar payega ...Runaak can never be revived till something can change from jhanak side ...Till she realises what Ani has done for her till now..after she lost her mother..he has played role of earnest caregiver for her...has fed her ...has kept her alive safe ..prevented her from violation from Tejas jo usne pura prabandh kar liya tha...risked his life for her several times ..did so much to lay foundation for all her future udaans...tried to motivate her to ignore all insults as noise and focus on her goal..exam dilaya.. . relentlessly pushed her to grow in career....all this while getting MU..CA for it...that cost him his everything..till jhaank realizes what all he has done for her...not club it in generic ehsaan club jisme wo chhoton bado maa AK sabko daal deti hai. Its futile...till Ani runs after her and she kicks him away..there is no point of Runaak

Bang on post, Neera, I feel detached from the show, not in a mood and not interested to discuss anything, even for Ani also...sort of resigned feeling... kuch bhi sochne ka mann nahi hai..yaar..

Originally posted by: Neerasi29

I respect your view point on jhanak ..everyone relates to some character more...I could relate to jhanak till kashmir night ..her dilemmas and everything..but writers have failed to do justice to jhaank as well..sadly coz of what all they showed in last 200 episodes i can't relate to jhaank anymore ..but that's just me ..

I am combining all bold points here...her core principles..unfortunately don't come across well..i would believe that if only she had not given Ani mixed signals and didn't come back to him again and again...she has also kept that zone gray which Included sleeping with him ..calling him her husband and pushing him away at her convenience...dreaming of him..so she has also been culprit of whatever threesome situation story is in...

Post aag episode, J has always kept Ani at arms length. She has never encouraged his closeness. Only when Arshi left him to die - she stepped in but even then was clear she would leave him

She unfortunately comes across as person who can switch off easily from people who love her...my main deal with her was when she lied about her death and didn't even apologize for it ...giving someone pain of your death and shrugging it off like no big deal and not having basic decency to apologise for pain caused she should not be too judgemental she was lied to...

wrong thing to do yes - her pov is Ani already has gone through pain pf her death and will get over her, and she was right...Ani asked Arshi not to leave him, said one can love many times and he wanted to have a kushaal zindagi with Arshi. So if he has never seen Jthen he would have been ok with arshi. I am not saying this - thats what the episode showed. J was well intentioned, wrong here in concept, but right wrt Ani - because he did move on to a decision to live with Arshi.

Whatever news she came across . She barely felt need to hear Anis side before taking decision to subject him to loveless life. That wasn't her decision to make..Ani isn't her property to give to someone and take away at will ..he is human being with emotions

Its not her decision - why is Ani listening to her anyway? She can say wahtever she wants. Ani does not have a brain?

When she wanted her sisters happiness why is she expecting Ani to be loyal to her and both didi living a platonic life as a room mate..when she was willing to take him as object to repair and return to Arshi anyway after he got well..if he is having a kid none of her business ..she was leaving anyway right ...so why feel cheated ..why expect loyalty from your sisters husband

She is not expecteing Ani to be loyal to her - she is upset Ani told her they did not have a relationship while its seems because of the baby they were physically active. It doe sseem like Ani lied to her does it not.

Issue is both Ani and jhaank have their own set of flaws but story is absolutely written to make sure three some keeps going but character point of view I find Ani more honest with his flaws and jhanak hides behind fake morality..anyhow story is being written from PL point of view so maker don't care how their leads look like ..that's only my own person view point.

Its only right we all see things from diff POV - thats why we are able to have interesting discussions sharing eo's pov. No one persons view is right in these discussions. Its always differeing perceptions.

thanks for the points. my repsonses in bold :)